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    Re: George Mitchell confirms that Shanghai awaiting gov't nod

    Hey! Here is an idea for Corporate Disney to sit on: How about making another US park? Stop the offshore building! and bring it back home!





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    Re: George Mitchell confirms that Shanghai awaiting gov't nod

    Quote Originally Posted by kronos
    Hey! Here is an idea for Corporate Disney to sit on: How about making another US park? Stop the offshore building! and bring it back home!
    Economically, since China rakes in so much of the American dollar, enterprises like Disneyland over there are reclaiming the lost dollars for the US economy. Ditto these Las Vegas casino companies building in Macau. I too hate how easily we've been selling our economic power, but this is actually good business sense towards reversing the trend.

    Foreign tourism may perhaps take a small drop, but due to exchange rates it's really quite affordable for people in other countries to visit the US right now, and neither HK or Shanghai Disney, nor those casinos have the appeal of their American counterparts. Let me know when HKDL grows to even half the size of the WDW property and I'll start saying perhaps it's going too far.

    That said, I don't like to see Disney in bed with a Communist government (increasingly capitalistic, but still officially red) with an atrocious human rights record, a terrible environmental record, a vastly different labor market, an Orwellian view towards information and media, etc. Hong Kong was a good compromise, I thought, as it's maintained a democratic independence from these ills on the mainland society.
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    Re: George Mitchell confirms that Shanghai awaiting gov't nod

    Quote Originally Posted by kronos
    Hey! Here is an idea for Corporate Disney to sit on: How about making another US park? Stop the offshore building! and bring it back home!
    Where?

    Orlando is built out as is.
    Anaheim still has DCA "placemaking/etc" to work on.
    Another location? Only states w/ the nice year-round weather and be far
    enough from FL or CA to keep from diluting the market would be Texas.

    These offshore are built partially/mostly with additional non-Disney money
    which make these efforts extremely attractive and effective investments.
    (esp for the future). If I remember correctly, HK SAR paid for majority of
    HKDL (51%?), and OLC paid for almost all of TDS. (someone correct/validate
    me on this!)

    Whereas in US, WDC would most likely have to spend their own $$$.

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    Re: George Mitchell confirms that Shanghai awaiting gov't nod

    Quote Originally Posted by MickeyMania
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    That said, I don't like to see Disney in bed with a Communist government (increasingly capitalistic, but still officially red) with an atrocious human rights record, a terrible environmental record, a vastly different labor market, an Orwellian view towards information and media, etc. Hong Kong was a good compromise, I thought, as it's maintained a democratic independence from these ills on the mainland society.
    Yup, I agree. Also HK has better laws and practices on all of above (environment, labor, press) as well.

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    Re: George Mitchell confirms that Shanghai awaiting gov't nod

    Quote Originally Posted by MickeyMania
    I don't like to see Disney in bed with a Communist government
    I still agree.

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    Re: George Mitchell confirms that Shanghai awaiting gov't nod

    Ugh.

    It's getting old. Disney needs to stop making direct-to-video sequel-style theme parks. With DCA, WDSP, and HKDL, I can only imagine that Shanghai Disneyland will be another let down.

    They need to stop now and work with that they have, make it better. DCA is still a laughing stock. The Orlando parks are sinking further into decay. Walt Disney Studios Paris is still a bland, pathetically underthemed, underutilized property, and Hong Kong Disneyland is the most attraction-empty Disneyland-style park, EVER. It has, what, TWO of the major E-Tickets Disney is known for, Space Mountain, and Jungle Cruise? That's it. It may be working towards more like Small World, HM, or Pirates... but those attractions should have debuted with the park.


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    Sorry, Master Gracey, but your "laughing stock" otherwise known as Disney's California Adventure is one of the most visited theme parks in the world. Most of the other non-Disney theme parks in the US would die to be laughed about so much. You need to think for your own and stop automatically buying into everything Mr. Lutz writes.

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    DCA stands much room for improvement, and the name definitely needs to go. However, I've grown attatched to several of the attractions. I look forward to the new attractions and other changes that are coming at us like a whirlwind via Iger, Lasseter and Oimet.

    Our shared respect for Al Lutz and his informed opinions (though not always perfect) is the main reason that many of us are on this board. To this day, we shouldn't forget that we wouldn't enjoy the MC organized format, or many of the freedoms of expression we have if it were not for our MiceAge founder. I do not wish to see anybody dis his reputation.

    As far as Mitchell's new replacement goes...he's a Pepper. Wouldn't you like to be a Pepper, too. I have high hopes for him. Can't wait to see what type of a park they have in mind for Shanghai. I think I/m gonna want to be Shanghai'd. LOL
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    Re: George Mitchell confirms that Shanghai awaiting gov't nod

    Quote Originally Posted by kronos
    Hey! Here is an idea for Corporate Disney to sit on: How about making another US park? Stop the offshore building! and bring it back home!
    Why build in a saturated market when there are literally billions out there who are yet un-tapped?

    I mean.. unless you are looking for a 'local park' you can goto for a day.. Orlando is plenty accessible and relativly cheap to get to.

    Disney Resorts do not want to be a day-dodge like a Six Flags park. They want to be RESORTS people visit for extended stays. Disney already has one in the US with 20,000 rooms.

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    Re: George Mitchell confirms that Shanghai awaiting gov't nod

    I don't agree on Shanghai, Why couldn't the possible tourists to Shanghai go to HK. Is it transportation? (HK just recently got a bigger airport [Kai Tak to Chep Lap Kok], they have plenty of railways [they could expand the Shanghai MAGLEV to HK], money? I wonder why they continue to build micro-parks, thinking they'll attract more visitors and revenue when they don't really do so.


    Quote Originally Posted by nish221
    Where?
    Orlando is built out as is.
    Anaheim still has DCA "placemaking/etc" to work on.
    Another location? Only states w/ the nice year-round weather and be far
    enough from FL or CA to keep from diluting the market would be Texas.
    Texas is not the place to be building it. Pros: population and tourists from two countries (U.S. and Mexico) Cons: weather [hurricanes, heat, violent rain]. Plus there would be negativity surrounding the location. I think they should think about DL, WDW, and possibly Disney's America again

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    Re: George Mitchell confirms that Shanghai awaiting gov't nod

    Quote Originally Posted by The Goddess Mara
    Sorry, Master Gracey, but your "laughing stock" otherwise known as Disney's California Adventure is one of the most visited theme parks in the world. Most of the other non-Disney theme parks in the US would die to be laughed about so much. You need to think for your own and stop automatically buying into everything Mr. Lutz writes.
    Yeah, well believe it or not, I don't buy into everything Lutz writes. I do, however, observe my surroundings. It's no secret that DCA was build on the cheap - we have carbon copied attractions from other Disney parks (Muppet*Vision, It's Tough To Be A Bug!), rides that are similar to attractions found at county fairs (Orange Stinger, Sun Wheel, Mullholland Madness, Golden Zephyr), and attractions that may have been designed for the park, but are otherwise very generic (GRR).

    I know it's one of the most visited theme parks in the world. As a themepark, its great, but as a DISNEY Theme Park, it really doesn't live up to the standards Disney has set for itself. Also, you have pay attention to the fact that its clearly one of the most visited themeparks by default due to it's location just a couple hundred feet away from Disneyland's main gate. Do you think that it would be one of the most visited parks in the world if it were located as a stand-alone park elsewhere? I doubt it.

    Now, I'm not saying that I don't enjoy an hour or two inside Disney's California Adventure, but truth be told, the park needs a lot of work, and this isn't coming from an Al-Lutz or Jim-Hill or any other site-influenced opinion. It's just based on my own observations.

    Anyway, thanks for your otherwise insulting response to my post. I appreciated it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MasterGracey
    Yeah, well believe it or not, I don't buy into everything Lutz writes. I do, however, observe my surroundings. It's no secret that DCA was build on the cheap - we have carbon copied attractions from other Disney parks
    Not all guests visit every disney park.. I don't know why this is so knocked upon. Yes.. originality is important and nice.. but I wouldn't want to goto Disneyland just to ride one unique ride when I enjoy what WDW offers so much more. The fact they share successful rides is great because I can experience 'other' parks without going to that park.

    rides that are similar to attractions found at county fairs
    What you mean like most of fantasyland? Merry-go rounds.. Dumbo.. or other rides in the park like Aladdin's flying carpets.. astrojets.. autotopia.. etc?

    Sorry, all the disney parks (especially when it comes to kids rides) have plenty of rides that are mostly just themed over carinval rides.

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    Re: George Mitchell confirms that Shanghai awaiting gov't nod

    Quote Originally Posted by flynnibus
    Not all guests visit every disney park.. I don't know why this is so knocked upon. Yes.. originality is important and nice.. but I wouldn't want to goto Disneyland just to ride one unique ride when I enjoy what WDW offers so much more. The fact they share successful rides is great because I can experience 'other' parks without going to that park.



    What you mean like most of fantasyland? Merry-go rounds.. Dumbo.. or other rides in the park like Aladdin's flying carpets.. astrojets.. autotopia.. etc?

    Sorry, all the disney parks (especially when it comes to kids rides) have plenty of rides that are mostly just themed over carinval rides.
    If I saw big queues for the cloned attractions like Muppet Vision and Tough to be a Bug, I would agree they were good ideas... But they don't.

    I know a lot of Disneyland classics are "off the shelf" but they're THEMED. Mullholland Madness has some street signs and a couple of otherwise uninspired billboards. Orange Stinger may look kind of cool on the outside but inside its just some bees and some buzzing. Themed? Hardly.

    I don't know... Maybe I'm wrong.

    But regardless, my point was really that Disney has big problems with their existing parks (even Iger said "we have been challenged" in regards to DCA) and focus should be focused on those issues before building another park.

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