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    Re: 4/19: Grim Grinning?, Part III

    Quote Originally Posted by goofy donald View Post
    A quick translation: "I'm not one to judge, but I am going to judge in the previous statements before i say I don't judge. By the way, don't bother to even attempt at commenting that this advancement could work in its current form because your wrong and anyone who agrees with me and says they've been on the ride since the good old days is right." lol for some reason whenever talk of this new queue comes up theres a group of 4 or 5 posters that plague the board against everyone that doesn't agree with their purist view. just my 2 cents, from another person thats studied the mansion for a long time.
    Here's your one-and-a-half cents change. You have misrepresented what MG13 said. He said, If you like it, fine; but if you also want to argue that it is logically consistent with the rest of the attraction, you will find yourself fighting a losing battle.
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    Re: 4/19: Grim Grinning?, Part III

    Quote Originally Posted by Grinning Ghost View Post
    Your "translation" makes no sense. MG13's original post was quite clear, and not in need of any translating. What is it exactly that you are trying to say? Are you for the new queue? Against the new queue? Ambivalent about it? Bitterness about opinions? Something else entirely??

    I'm guessing you're complaining about "purist" opinions. All opinions are welcome whether they agree with anyone else's or not.

    I myself may be a "purist" who has been a fan of the HM for 35+ years, but I do still enjoy many of the new enhancements (not advancements). My quip is only that they don't belong in the queue, and screw up the atmosphere and continuity with the rest of the attraction. Better suited to the end. The real issue is that the higher-ups just don't care how it screws anything up, so long as the interactive bit is there and the kiddies like it. They're about the $$$, not about making it fit in like the 2007 enhancements. I agree with MG13: the masses don't really care because they aren't HM fans, and not paying any attention to any semblance of continuity, story or atmosphere - they just see things to play with. That seems to be the general consensus amongst us purists. If others like the new queue, well good for them!
    well to start, from our previous quibble on this subject I believe you are well aware of my position. I had a feeling you would not comprehend exactly the point I was making there Grinny . If I knew my satire and sarcasm was this potent I would have joined a writing staff years ago . your guess is in fact wrong, an opinion is not at all what I have an issue with for without opinions this board would be nonexistent essentially. I am however defiantly opposed to the way a certain opinion is being stated by a certain group of people showing IMO an utter hatred for a Disney creation which goes against everything this forum and fan base stands for along with quite frankly a snide and know-it-all type attitude. Obviously we as a fan base should not stand by as our favorite places change for the worse, and in my opinion that is not the case, but the way we go about it should be at least in some sort of a constructive manner.

    As for haunted mansion itself, IMO the continuity of the ride is left in tact as I always saw the true experience start once walking through the doors. while outside I was never given that truly Erie feeling you suggest because I still felt as if I was in a safety zone anyways. I could still see the ferry on the rivers of america and if I looked back some of the commotion in liberty square, heck as a 6 year old I was laughing at the tomb stone poetry (as I like to call it) not being scared by them. it just didn't sink in until I saw that fully in character CM and went into the dark room that fear or creepiness ever started to sink in. With this method I think the scary pre-show and ride actually become the climax in a sea of the Disney "safe zone" sandwiched between two fun but not quite scare-free segments.

    Also as for your statement pertaining to dollars, i believe that Disney actually spent quite a bit more money on this then you suggest. They actually poured a fair bit of money into R+D and construction behind this project, far more then would have been done if the new queue you suggested previously would have been created. Its also not exactly a main selling feature thats going to bring up attendance either so I'm not sure where your going with that statement.

    And to conclude advancements may also be considered grammatically correct, as in it is an advancement to another level of experience.

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    Re: 4/19: Grim Grinning?, Part III

    Quote Originally Posted by HBG2 View Post
    Here's your one-and-a-half cents change. You have misrepresented what MG13 said. He said, If you like it, fine; but if you also want to argue that it is logically consistent with the rest of the attraction, you will find yourself fighting a losing battle.
    I stand by my statement because your interpretation is just as bad. You cant immediately discount peoples arguments about the logic and consistency with the attraction prior to their points even being represented....

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    Re: 4/19: Grim Grinning?, Part III

    Quote Originally Posted by goofy donald View Post
    Also as for your statement pertaining to dollars, i believe that Disney actually spent quite a bit more money on this then you suggest. They actually poured a fair bit of money into R+D and construction behind this project, far more then would have been done if the new queue you suggested previously would have been created. Its also not exactly a main selling feature thats going to bring up attendance either so I'm not sure where your going with that statement.
    I didn't suggest any specific amount of money. Just that they spent all this money on what turned out to be a sub-par project, most of which did not really add to the experience of visiting a haunted mansion. I was waiting with great anticipation for the addition to be finished, and was greatly disappointed with what they came up with. It's mostly just a kiddie playground that makes little sense to the Mansion as a whole. Whomever did the R & D did not seem to know what they were doing, nor did they take care to make it fit in, let alone make it believable as an extension of the family plot. Just because there is new and advanced technology available doesn't mean they had to just shoehorn it all in there with total disregard to logic and existing elements inside. The fun and silly elements all happen in the second half of the attraction, just the way X Atencio assembled the scary vs. silly elements to make it a cohesive experience. This new queue now interferes with that cohesion. The family plot was merely supposed to hint at what experiences await inside. Subtlety is what was called for, not all this 'in-your-face' obnoxiousness.

    I'm curious to know if anyone has asked X Atencio what he thinks of the new queue.

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    Re: 4/19: Grim Grinning?, Part III

    Well, I finally got a chance to experience this queue for myself this morning. And perhaps I was prejudiced by my advanced perceptions, but I loved every bit of it. And the people around me were doing nothing but enjoying the sounds and sights. And the book where you voice the last word of a page? Worked like a charm for me, twice.

    I will say that I thought the hitchhiking ghosts were a little bit lower rez than I thought they should be. But the tech behind what they did was astonishing. I rode by myself, and had a ghost sitting right on top of me. But the computer recognized this, and moved him over to the side before he grabbed my head off of my body and blew it up like a balloon. Incredibly cool, and I can't wait to experience it again later this trip!

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    Re: 4/19: Grim Grinning?, Part III

    I think it might be my 8 year old's loud voice that is preventing the book from 'working' for us in the queue
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    Re: 4/19: Grim Grinning?, Part III

    Is this thread dead? Hell, I'm going to post anyway.

    Quote Originally Posted by goofy donald View Post
    I stand by my statement because your interpretation is just as bad. You cant immediately discount peoples arguments about the logic and consistency with the attraction prior to their points even being represented....
    How is our interpretation bad? The Mansion has always been accepted as being "scary" then "Funny". What is your position exactly?

    You can put your fingers in your ears any yell "PURISTS!" all you want, but until you make some solid sense of the additions I will be calling you a conformist.

    Besides the fact it doesn't fit with story, what about the technology? I can touch my iPod to make sounds, it also can do voice recognition. It will be outdated, or broken, in at least 3 years. That you can count on.

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    Re: 4/19: Grim Grinning?, Part III

    I'm glad this thread is continuing, because I can now speak with authority, having just seen the queue last week. And I thought it was just amazing. No, some of the tech wasn't exactly cutting edge, but it was implemented beautifully. All of the people I saw on my two trips through the queue were having a blast, touching everything, being surprised by the sounds and bubbles blowing, pushing and touching and snapping pictures of everything. It was all very enjoyable, and at the end of it I got to go on the same attraction that I've been enjoying since 1969.

    As to the hitchhiking ghosts, I do agree that the animation could have been a bit more detailed. But the tech behind what they do is really amazing. I was sitting alone in my doombuggy, and at first the ghost sat on my lap. But the computer sensed that there was only one person in the car, and the ghost slid over to the left before he took my head off, blew it up like a balloon (I could clearly see my face as the balloon grew), and then restored my head to my shoulders. A totally amazing way to end a great ride, and a wonderful way of bringing more attention (and more people) to an old attraction.

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    Re: 4/19: Grim Grinning?, Part III

    Prediction: Within a year it will be widely agreed that the new queue is kinda boring. I'm giving it a year. Been there, done that. Boring.
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    Re: 4/19: Grim Grinning?, Part III

    Boring? Hardly. Not as exciting as something totally new? Well, maybe. I can see that after a few visits I'll probably take the quick queue and bypass all the new stuff. But I'd bet that a large percentage of MK visitors are not those who visit multiple times a year, but instead go every few years or so. So the queue will be entirely new to a lot of people for quite a long time.

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    Re: 4/19: Grim Grinning?, Part III

    Yes, boring. First-timers will go see it. Everyone else will skip it. *Yawn* Been there, done that. Adds nothing to the experience of the ride, so forget it and get to the ride.
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    Re: 4/19: Grim Grinning?, Part III

    No way to say which one of us is wrong, but we completely disagree on this.

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    Re: 4/19: Grim Grinning?, Part III

    Quote Originally Posted by danyoung View Post
    All of the people I saw on my two trips through the queue were having a blast, touching everything, being surprised by the sounds and bubbles blowing, pushing and touching and snapping pictures of everything.
    Wow! That sounds like.... a zoo. Or maybe even a McDonald's "Playplace". Does it sound like something a 'real' haunted house would have? No, Of course not.
    People around here just don't seem to realize that the Haunted Mansion is supposed to be a real place. You are not supposed to feel like you are in an amusement park. The new queue upsets the balance of the attraction and makes it feel more like a funhouse than a believable, immersive environment.
    And what is it teaching our children? To touch everything they see? It surely isn't teaching them the value of patients. And now that the kids are all riled up, do you really expect me to think that they are going to be quiet for the attraction?
    When I visited, I have to say that half the kids I ran into in the interactive queue left the building after the stretching room because they were scared. One butler started to escort them out of the foyer so they wouldn't ruin the attraction for other guests. The new queue is trying to show them the the ride is 'not scary', when the fact of the matter is that the first half of it is. I don't blame the kids, I blame the queue.

    This type of queue would work perfectly in Fantasyland (especially because of the lines there) or even Tomorrowland, but not in the Mansion.


    And the bubbles, really? Even my 6 year old cousin thought that was ridiculous.

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    Re: 4/19: Grim Grinning?, Part III

    Quote Originally Posted by MasterGracey13 View Post
    People around here just don't seem to realize that the Haunted Mansion is supposed to be a real place. You are not supposed to feel like you are in an amusement park.
    Sorry, but that's pure crap. It IS in an amusement park (well, in a theme park if you wanna be picky), and it IS a ride, and the queue is simply an extension of that. You can ride up there on your high horse all you want, but it doesn't change what I saw with my own eyes on numerous occasions. The queue worked, it worked well, it was entertaining, and it was a great intro to the HM ride.

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    Re: 4/19: Grim Grinning?, Part III

    Quote Originally Posted by danyoung View Post
    Sorry, but that's pure crap. It IS in an amusement park (well, in a theme park if you wanna be picky), and it IS a ride, and the queue is simply an extension of that. You can ride up there on your high horse all you want, but it doesn't change what I saw with my own eyes on numerous occasions. The queue worked, it worked well, it was entertaining, and it was a great intro to the HM ride.
    Sorry, I should be more specific. The Haunted Mansion is supposed to FEEL like a real place in the real world. Of course it is an attraction at an amusement park.
    And why would Imagineers strive to theme things so perfectly (Animal kingdom is a fantastic example) if they wanted you to feel like you are in a theme park? They don't. They want you to feel like you are in a different time and place, whether it be the real world (Liberty Square, Frontierland, Adventureland) or a Fantasy one (Fantasyland, Tomorrowland).

    What high horse? I am merely stating what I saw when I went and how the ride is supposed to feel. If it worked well when you visited that's great, it didn't when I did.

    It being a "Great intro to the ride" is highly debatable, that is kind of the reason we are all arguing

    And like I said before, I do not Judge you or anyone else who enjoys the new queue, I judge only the queue itself, because of the fact that it does not fit with the ride that has been presented.
    But I don't think that anyone who does like it has addressed that yet.
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