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    Re: 4/18: Failure to Launch

    Very happy to hear the update on the SeaCabs! Great work!

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    Re: 4/18: Failure to Launch

    First things first: WELCOME BACK AL! It isn't the same around here with out your wit and wisdom... Plus thanks for the photos, maybe now people won't wonder what you look like

    Here is my list of thoughts....

    1. I am not surprised that RockIt Mountain was rushed to production and that they could not pull it off in timeline set... I also think they need to take a hard look at the concept, because it is dated from it's inception as pop culture has out paced the ride concept. I honestly don't think Space Mountain needs this style of rehab at this time... The ride is way too popular in it's own right... Why try to cram visitors on the ride at a differant time of day to make the ride seem more special? I think it is dumb and ill concieved... Just like Cynthia and Pressler's MO...
    2. Every one likes Pirates, arrrr... I wonder what Buckenheimer has in mind for the Wicked Wench... I think he wants to keep the image in tact for a reason... I want to see more piratey things... Including the good captain, Hook be his name...
    3. Disneyland Subs are now a premire E-ticket attraction WDW fans are going to cry over... Can we say filling in the MK's lagoon and building a play ground on it was a bit premature?
    4. More dark rides in DCA? Duh! When did they figgure that out? I have apprehension over "midway madia" But I can't think of anything that would keep the theme of the area other than an interactive shooting gallary... I am going to have to trust Lassiter to get this right...
    5. It would also be nice to have an attraction in the closed Chinese Food Restaurant in the Warf area...
    6. Interesting that you mention Starbucks... They have a medical benifit for their part time employees and they pay better (discounting tips)... Dude, Disney, get with the band wagon, it isn't about paying your dues to get a kooshy better than average paying management job.
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    Cool Re: 4/18: Failure to Launch

    Thanks for the great report (and beautiful pics)! My sister, brother-in-law & nieces & nephew were there yesterday (Disneyland) and today (California Adventure). They said yesterday was truly wonderful! I'm very excited about the POTC refurb (and THM as well). I can wait for the Rock It Mountain & TOT 2.0 changes myself. I'll be at the parks in mid-july to see what transpires...

    It breaks my heart about all the CM stories. I used to work retail myself years ago (in the late 80's, early 90's) & none of this would have happened then. I worked in a "Yes You Can" environment where both the customer and the co-worker were ALWAYS treated with respect and understanding (regardless of class or stature). The managers treated the staff the same way the staff treated the customer.

    I know we live in a different world, but the crap going on in the parks for CM is reprehensible IMO.

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    Re: 4/18: Failure to Launch

    Great update, Al, thanks for the photos and info. It's been a while since I've been able to sit and read the updates, so it's sad to hear the woes of CM's still happening. Disney really needs to get with the program on getting their pay up to snuff. You get what you pay for.

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    Re: 4/18: Failure to Launch

    I saw the title picture and deflated a little. I planned my next DL trip all around seeing Rocket Mountain.

    I'm kind of suprised to see the amount of flack it's gotten in just a few posts, though. I thought that at some time or another everyone has wanted to ride Space with some lights on?

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    Re: 4/18: Failure to Launch

    Quote Originally Posted by MickeyMania
    I thought that at some time or another everyone has wanted to ride Space with some lights on?
    Sure, but that's not what RockIt Mountain was going to be. Space with lights on as a once in a while geek thing... cool. Space with strobe lights, and Van Halen.... not cool.

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    Re: 4/18: Failure to Launch

    Quote Originally Posted by cellarhound
    Disneyland Subs are now a premire E-ticket attraction WDW fans are going to cry over... Can we say filling in the MK's lagoon and building a play ground on it was a bit premature?
    Exactly. Team Disney Orlando will not be happy with the results of the popularity of the Subs up in California... especially as I personally think the lagoon and the Subs themselves at the MK were more beautiful... Disneyland again has outsmarted the Magic Kingdom.
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    Re: 4/18: Failure to Launch

    Quote Originally Posted by a_hyperbole
    Sure, but that's not what RockIt Mountain was going to be. Space with lights on as a once in a while geek thing... cool. Space with strobe lights, and Van Halen.... not cool.
    I haven't tried Space since it's reopening, but I have done it before and remember it as a ride in blackness with very little light or theming.

    What I was suggesting was something that would make it feel like a very fast dark ride more than a pitch-black roller coaster. It doesnt need dialogue or anything like a dark ride, just pile on all sorts of neat fiber optic effects and dark lights.

    Quote Originally Posted by Speedway
    I personally think the lagoon and the Subs themselves at the MK were more beautiful... Disneyland again has outsmarted the Magic Kingdom.
    If our park has done anything right regarding junking the subs than they've done it accidentally by stepping backwards into doing something right. The only reason the lagoon is around is because it's huge and Pressler cheaped out again and refused to do anything with the lagoon after Atlantis failed to pull enough to warrant it's own ride.

    Then again, even before Pressler, leaving attraction corpses around to rot in the sun and peel over the years is more the Disneyland way. America Sings, anyone? That one was closed for so long that they've actually made a PIN for nostalgics to memorialize the sign that stood for an entire decade promising people that something new would open there someday.

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    Re: 4/18: Failure to Launch

    lots of disappointing news... but i'd rather they wait until rock-it mtn will be worth opening... i am *very* excited about halloween stuff at disneyland! i always wondered why the non-us parks celebrated but we did nothing... also i am excited about the pillaging about to occur this summer around NOS and ROA!

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    Re: 4/18: Failure to Launch

    Quote Originally Posted by MickeyMania
    I haven't tried Space since it's reopening, but I have done it before and remember it as a ride in blackness with very little light or theming.

    What I was suggesting was something that would make it feel like a very fast dark ride more than a pitch-black roller coaster. It doesnt need dialogue or anything like a dark ride, just pile on all sorts of neat fiber optic effects and dark lights.
    Well then, you'll be pleasantly surprised by the "new" space. Its pretty much like what you describe above. No more tacky orange sun, etc.

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    Re: 4/18: Failure to Launch

    Good update. A little disappointed concerning RockIt, but I can't say I'm surprised.
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    Re: 4/18: Failure to Launch

    A Sinkhole In Tomorrowland?!?!?!?

    That must be the Black Hole that's been sucking the
    life and imagination out of Tomorrowland over the
    past 10 to 15 years. Glad to hear that it only
    LOOKS like a sinkhole now. Filling it in must be one
    of Ouimet's secrect projects!

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    Re: 4/18: Failure to Launch

    Quote Originally Posted by MickeyMania
    If our park has done anything right regarding junking the subs than they've done it accidentally by stepping backwards into doing something right. The only reason the lagoon is around is because it's huge and Pressler cheaped out again and refused to do anything with the lagoon after Atlantis failed to pull enough to warrant it's own ride.

    Then again, even before Pressler, leaving attraction corpses around to rot in the sun and peel over the years is more the Disneyland way. America Sings, anyone? That one was closed for so long that they've actually made a PIN for nostalgics to memorialize the sign that stood for an entire decade promising people that something new would open there someday.
    Ah, yes, but whose fault is it, particularly now that they know that park attendance gets hit with repeated bad behavior? Management starts getting things right and they are reaching capacity... Now those mothballed attractions are starting to look real good... The sad news is that I can name a half dosen attractions that are either mothballed or in desperate need of attention to get Disneyland functioning and helping it to seem less crowded...

    MK will never have that kind of problem... It shouldn't... MK and DL are differant animals with differant challenges and need differant solutions...
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    Re: 4/18: Failure to Launch

    Well, to be honest, some of the years that America Sings sat empty were good years, so having a closed ride doesn't mean it's a bad park, but it's just a sign of something missing visitors can notice.

    The point I was trying to make really was that, oddly enough, once WDW expanded pas MK and began opening Epcot and other things, it's become very difficult to get a wall torn down in Disneyland. The place used to go through constant upheaval all the time, and even after Walt died and MK opened there were some major changes like the whole Space Mountain area opening up in TL.

    However, since EPCOT Center and friends opened, DL has been almost entirely about trying to fit rides into existing structures rather than starting over wtih a new structure. In 2007 and we will have subs, a spinning carousel building, and a new Pirates ride. But in 1967 we had subs, a spinning carousel building, and a new pirates ride. So how do you tell Joe Six-Pack what's new at Disneyland?

    While the sub ride refurb is great, it's high time they consider demolishing something again.

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    Management walks the park and gets pissed because they have to wait with angry guests to get their lunch too? Someone needs to tell the suits it's worse than that.
    In TL stores, the managers are gonna start wearing the costumes of the area one day out of the month to "see it from our eyes." But they never leave the office (in the back) so it's not gonna work. The labor situation is one I laugh at. It's always a matter of "How many of my closers called out? I have to close Star Trader with 4 CM's?!?!?!" Why does management get 2-4 days off a week, and I am working 6 days this week, and I'm doing overtime?
    The training center is excited when we hire 16 new people this week...too bad 40 quit last week. They think one day this shortage of labor will end. HA!!! They try to give us incentives to get people we know to work in the park. If we're going home and complaining about our job, why would our friends want to work here too? They know I have no social life...why would they want to give up theirs? They know I dropped out of school twice because I never had time to do my homework due to my work schedule. They don't want to do that.
    Is it any surprise that TDA/Burbank management is afraid of working in the park? Not to me. They know what we deal with...but if they are in their cubicle, they don't have to deal with it. It's funny to watch them doing guest control and looking shocked or defeated when the guests don't listen to them. I can't help but laugh.
    But this is just me ranting.
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