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    6/14: It's So High School

    Kevin has both good and bad to report in this latest Walt Disney World Declining by Degrees update. Discuss it, and Star Wars weekends here!
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    Re: 6/14: It's So High School

    Great article! Thanks for the update on the "inclines".

    It would have felt more 'equalized' if you had included photos of the fresh paint on the TTA railroad bridge and the freshly swept Progress City model. It seems a bit imbalanced to show pictures of the decline, but only describe the incline. Either way, I'm sure glad they're fixed now.
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    Re: 6/14: It's So High School

    When was the budget for Wand removal approved? The buzz around the internet is that Jim MacPhee wanted it down no matter what, no matter who paid for it. I heard that it had been a pproved a few days back but when exactly was the budget signed? Also, I want to know who is paying for it. Is the money coming out of theSSE interior budget, or is it a new budget?



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    Re: 6/14: It's So High School

    I just got back from a week at WDW. You speak of declining by degrees. I took my 7 year old nephew to the Frontierland Shooting Gallery and less than half of the rifles were operational. Most of the rifles had tape over their coin slots, so this is not an unknown problem, just an unrepaired one. I would not expect this at a travelling sideshow, let alone WDW.

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    Re: 6/14: It's So High School

    Quote Originally Posted by Ward View Post
    Great article! Thanks for the update on the "inclines".

    It would have felt more 'equalized' if you had included photos of the fresh paint on the TTA railroad bridge and the freshly swept Progress City model. It seems a bit imbalanced to show pictures of the decline, but only describe the incline. Either way, I'm sure glad they're fixed now.
    Yeah, I agree on the need for pics. Problem is, the model doesn't photograph well, and with flash it just looks odd. And I didn't see TTA until after dark, so the newly painted bridge wouldn't have turned out. Normally I would have preferred to run before-and-after shots of that particular one.
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    Thumbs up Epcot sign/Star Warts

    I'm pleased that the Epcot hand/wand sign will be coming down!
    Sorry to learn that it will be replaced by a McDonald's/Coke sign.

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    Re: 6/14: It's So High School

    Why, oh why, would someone like dooley read an article and then post away about how bad it was? How bout just staying away and let those of us who are interested in these articles discuss them? Or hey, how bout maybe expressing that the article doesn't interest you without comparing it to your own puke? Really childish and lame there, dooley.

    Kevin, I enjoyed the article (as I usually do). It does seem, though, that in response to past drubbings, you're going out of your way to disclaim almost everything you say. I'm all for the general disclaimer up front - that's fair. But after that, just call it like you see it. Some will agree with you, and some won't. You're coming off kinda gunshy (which is understandable), but I don't think you have any need to.

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    Re: 6/14: It's So High School

    I can say that I'm not TRYING to be gun-shy, though maybe it looks that way. Honestly, I set out this week originally to write a "positives only" article, which I sometimes do (it keeps me grounded). But then I kept finding other Declines, so the circumstances seemed to call for a balanced approach. I wasn't intentionally hovering in the middle and hedging my bets, certainly not because of readers who might not like what I have to say. I can be polemic and stubborn. Witness, for instance, me returning to more Star Wars armchair imagineering despite being told (wasn't it by you, danyoung?) that this kind of stuff isn't as interesting!

    Mostly I was in a celebratory mood. The TTA upkeep problems were really, really annoying, and they are mostly solved. The wand, too, is making me very happy.
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    Re: 6/14: It's So High School

    Nah, Keven, it is the whole Pollyanna Rule... "Look for the bad in things, you will always find them..."

    I submit, this is one reason why Walt kept everything pristeen and well maintained... Because he knew instinctively people will compain about things that are wrong (without ever steping foot at Guest Relations) and over look what is right...

    It is also why he walked the parks... They call it "Management by Walking Around."

    Oh, and I too am VERY HAPPY that hiddious eye sore of a wand is going away... I want to see pictures of it being dismantled...
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    Re: 6/14: It's So High School

    great stuff
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    Re: 6/14: It's So High School

    Great article! Thanks. It's good news to hear that the wand will be removed.


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    Re: 6/14: It's So High School

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinYee View Post
    Witness, for instance, me returning to more Star Wars armchair imagineering despite being told (wasn't it by you, danyoung?) that this kind of stuff isn't as interesting!
    I don't think I was cranky about the Star Wars stuff. I think I did sound off on the Universal coverage. But I never mean to indicate that you (or anybody) needs to do or not do stuff just because I think that way. I'm just expressing an opinion, for you to file away as you see fit.

    Now, I will admit that I skipped over the Star Wars section of your article, but it's obviously something you feel strongly about, so imagineer away!

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    Hallelujah! The wand's finally coming down! This is a cause for celebration! Great article, keep 'em coming, Kevin!
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    Re: 6/14: It's So High School

    The Village Frys shop.
    Incline. Nice 3D lettering.
    Decline. McDonalds sponsership.

    We won't get rid of McDonalds they make far too much money for Disney.
    However, more detailed signs in the resort are the way to go.

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    Re: 6/14: It's So High School

    Quote Originally Posted by danyoung View Post
    Kevin, I enjoyed the article (as I usually do). It does seem, though, that in response to past drubbings, you're going out of your way to disclaim almost everything you say. I'm all for the general disclaimer up front - that's fair. But after that, just call it like you see it. Some will agree with you, and some won't. You're coming off kinda gunshy (which is understandable), but I don't think you have any need to.
    I'm glad you said it first, Danny.

    I got the feeling from reading your disclaimers that you were basically apologizing for everything short of being born, Kevin.

    I know you aren't Al, but can you imagine him apologizing for ANYTHING? He's, in the past, written things that were insulting and way off-base, but he never apologizes.

    Frankly, it's better than being wishy-washy.

    And when people complain about your photos, all I can say is 'What are the talking about?' I've yet to see any of the really bad stuff in one of your columns. Where's the filthy pavement? Where's the burned out light-bulbs wringing the roofs of deluxe resorts like Beach Club and Grand Floridian? Where's the pics of the mold on the Splash Mountain logs or anything from Mansion?

    Did I miss them?

    And what about things like that rotten laundry room door at the BC that I pointed out to you months ago?

    If you're going to 'cover' WDW, you can't simply focus on the parks and act like the resorts, recreational facilities, water parks and DD don't exist.
    After all, it's the resorts that provide the huge revenue stream to P&R and I think people have a right to know they aren't being maintained.

    I understand you mean well, really. I just see your columns as a largely wasted opportunity.

    You get the small stuff, but seem to not be able to put it into the proper big context.

    Like the shop at the exit to Space Mountain selling everything BUT SM merchandise. As a small tidbit in a column it gets lost. But if you did a column on MK merchandise as a whole, you'd realize (as would the readers) just how WalMarted it has become. I've yet to see anything from you on the Main Street World of Disney shop that runs along the entire Emporium side with meaningless facades on the outside to suggest there's more than one actual shop. This is a HUGE example of what Dan Cockerell and the merchandising dolts have done, yet you'd never know it. And it sure as hell is Declining By (MANY) Degrees. How about all the shops in Adventureland being closed with their merchandise now pushed out into walkways like at a flea market? What does it all mean? That's what I'm looking for.

    I don't mean to come off harshly, although frankly I don't care all that much either.

    I just think you're really missing the big picture.

    And obsessing about FastPass is just a waste of time because it isn't going anywhere.

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