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    8/2: Tips Ahoy!

    Changes in the Walt Disney World dining plan, plus an updated Rumor Rundown. Discuss it all here!
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    Re: 8/2: Tips Ahoy!

    Thanks


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    Re: 8/2: Tips Ahoy!

    Oi!

    Great article Kevin and I think the best example of Declining by Degrees yet.

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    They should just make the DDP a premium option anyways rather then making it a 'discount' plan and making all the dining in the parks adapt to it.

    The old iterations of the program were so much nicer when it was actually an experience in its own right to go visit all the restaurants. Now you just get crap food everywhere and a 'discount plan' to go eat at places you don't want to eat at.

    Ax the DDP... let the restaurants suffer until they get back to the point of actually being unique experiences with varying menus.. make the restaurants a draw again.. and then bring back the plan as a 'all inclusive' package that is at a premium. As 'inclusive' should be.

    But this would require letting the restaurants suffer and make head counts drop.. so that will never happen
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    Re: 8/2: Tips Ahoy!

    That peeled paint is glaringly obvious. Disneyland's Space Mountain had that for a while, but they fixed it relatively quickly. That's really sad that it's still there.

    Great article, by the way.
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    Re: 8/2: Tips Ahoy!

    Correction, via email, from an observant reader: you wouldn't need to 're-purchase' the $12 mug each day on the DDDP, so my math is off somewhat. He's right. One could only subtract maybe $2, not $12, from the cost per day.
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    All this math is hurting my head!

    *faints* *people step on ttztotdca50*
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    Re: 8/2: Tips Ahoy!

    Thanks for the great article, as always. allearsnet.com is already reporting as of 7/31 that the appetizer is back into the basic DDP. It'll be interesting to see how this settles out. I can see lots of pissed off waitstaff who will quickly grow tired at being stiffed out of their tip, and service will decline accordingly. Not good.

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    "Future World central courtyard clutter. The mess of purple awnings and banners that provides a lot of visual clutter to the futuristic look of Epcot is likely to be removed in the near future."

    I always liked this area and the awnings and banners provided some sun relief. If they want to clean up the clutter they should 86 the pin trading kiosk.

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    Re: 8/2: Tips Ahoy!

    If the IPhone has taught me one thing, it's that elegant simplicity has a tangible value. Visiting WDW has become over complicated and clumsily so. It seems to me that the layers of procedural complexity from the real world are eroding the "escape" of WDW. Not knowing what something costs or what is included, when to be somewhere, etc is all stress. Doing that with 2 kids is not fun. The last thing I want to be reminded of on my vacation is what everything is costing me every ten minutes and how not fun the process is. The process is becoming the product.


    The WDW experience has been engineered by accountants and other left brained operators now for so long, that it has become something that has you preoccupied with continual scheduling (bus schedules, fast passes, showtimes, meal programs, reservations, package plans) that results in another process of waiting in line (getting to the pool by X time to get a space, buffets, checkin in and out, attraction queues and basically working the system all day) than having a relaxing vacation. It's becoming harder for me to imagine ever going to WDW for a vacation. There are so many better places in the world to go that are thematically richer and have better (and no doubt cheaper) food and an overall better experience.
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    Re: 8/2: Tips Ahoy!

    Quote Originally Posted by danyoung View Post
    Thanks for the great article, as always. allearsnet.com is already reporting as of 7/31 that the appetizer is back into the basic DDP. It'll be interesting to see how this settles out. I can see lots of pissed off waitstaff who will quickly grow tired at being stiffed out of their tip, and service will decline accordingly. Not good.
    Good; I hope the appetizer does stay on the DDP. Value would be dramatically eroded without it. In a best-case scenario world, of course, you'd have no DDP at all. Orville is right that things are way too scheduled already at WDW. This is fun?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cousin Orville View Post
    If the IPhone has taught me one thing, it's that elegant simplicity has a tangible value.
    Precisely. Which, btw, is further indicated while trying to surf MC on the iPhone. Expanding the view several times just to advance to the next page gets old fast!

    Visiting WDW has become over complicated and clumsily so. It seems to me that the layers of procedural complexity from the real world are eroding the "escape" of WDW. Not knowing what something costs or what is included, when to be somewhere, etc is all stress. Doing that with 2 kids is not fun. The last thing I want to be reminded of on my vacation is what everything is costing me every ten minutes and how not fun the process is. The process is becoming the product.

    The WDW experience has been engineered by accountants and other left brained operators now for so long, that it has become something that has you preoccupied with continual scheduling (bus schedules, fast passes, showtimes, meal programs, reservations, package plans) that results in another process of waiting in line (getting to the pool by X time to get a space, buffets, checkin in and out, attraction queues and basically working the system all day) than having a relaxing vacation.
    Send this to Burbank, CO, and quick! Your paragraphs nail the problem precisely. This is why I refuse to spend more than three days at WDW during my semi-annual trips to Orlando. It's too much of a hassle.

    It's becoming harder for me to imagine ever going to WDW for a vacation. There are so many better places in the world to go that are thematically richer and have better (and no doubt cheaper) food and an overall better experience.
    Even in Orlando, at Universal. I love the Royal Pacific Resort and their Tchoup Chop restaurant, and Mythos at IoA. I believe I get a greater value at Uni Orlando than WDW now. And far less hassle.

    I cannot imagine a trip to Orlando without a minimum of two days at Uni. And once Harry Potter opens at IoA, it will most definitely become a minimum of three.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cousin Orville View Post
    Not knowing what something costs or what is included, when to be somewhere, etc is all stress. Doing that with 2 kids is not fun. The last thing I want to be reminded of on my vacation is what everything is costing me every ten minutes and how not fun the process is. The process is becoming the product.
    This hits on an excellent point... top service usually brings 'hands off'.

    When you are getting top service.. you don't stress over minute details.. someone is saying 'no problem' and makes any issues disappear. Something out of place/order? No problem.. the issue is addressed. Need an appointment? No.. come on up and they accomodate you.. That is 'VIP' treatment.

    Such an atmosphere is totally lacking in WDW.. and seriously hurts any 'resort' aspect to it.

    Back in the day when we did Magic Kingdom club and with one price had full run of the kingdom.. paying for nothing (including Recreation) but alcohol and gifts... that was a vacation.

    I don't see how dissecting the DDP any more then it already is with these stupid CS vs TS credits, etc is going to make ANYONE happy.. and only sets yourself up for disaster when the uniformed 'discover' these details in the middle of their trip.

    It's cutting corners to have the details come back to haunt you.

    Deliver a premium product... Charge a premium.. and if the product is good people will pay it. I don't know what socialist is running Disney thinking every family should eat for free.. and in turn is dragging dining in Disney into the ground.

    We never goto Disney when in Orlando to eat unless we are already staying there.. that's a bad sign.
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    Re: 8/2: Tips Ahoy!

    Great Article Kevin.

    Like you, I tip 20% or more depending on the service. We have the Dining Discout Card, and we will generally tip what we are saving and a little more.

    With the DDC I would never dream of getting the DDP or the DDDP. We would never eat that much food in a day.


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    Re: 8/2: Tips Ahoy!

    You could look at this as declining by degrees over a longer period of time. When we went in 1994, Disney had the food and fun card. Not only did it have breakfast and dinner daily (and we could do table service for both), including gratuity, but it had unlimited recreational activities, including waterskiing and horseback riding. The DDP scaled that way back.

    I have to agree that it's making the program far more complicated than it should be. One of the basic things I would EXPECT it to take care of is gratuity. I don't think I'd buy the DDP without it, and I think removing the appetizer is just cheap.
    Rather than tier the dining plan and confuse people, just keep the appetizer and gratuity and raise the price if that's what they need to do to keep Wall Street happy.

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