not that this has much to do with the point at hand, but since I'm hankering for a Vegas trip why not talk about it? ... there used to be a Micechat regular from Sin City ... wonder what happened to him (can't recall his name now).
At this point I don't even want to consider what the crush of crowds would be like at the TTC should it become the central hub for both Epcot and the MK.
We have stayed at a number of the resorts that rely on bus transportation to and from these properties and some bus rides have taken us upwards of 45 mins just to get to the parks. Adding the TTC as the 2nd to last stop and then having to disembark the bus, wait on line and finally board a monorail to complete the journey is definitely not something I'd be looking forward to in the least ... sorry Kevin but it would most certainly not be the start of a Magical experience for me.
I totally agree with squashing bus service to MK - the seclusion of the MK from the outside world is part of its magic. It's a change that never should have been there from the start - but I'm sure it was a cheap way to address capacity issues at park closing.
I'd want that change reverted not for fuel cost issues but just in general.
Bussing to TTC for EPCOT just wouldn't work. Fixed schedules would be more interesting.
Well, what I can say is the bus service is already appalling at WDW. Our last trip to WDW in Dec 2006, we stayed at AKL (loved the design - go Peter Dominic - and we love animals). Having it's own buses we thought would be a huge plus. Needless to say, after our experience, we started using cabs, and frankly will be spending our time and money at DLP and DL instead. Heck, it's not even like I am not used to public transport. I use the trains, buses and London Underground about 75% of my working days. But if we ever return to WDW, we will save our money and stay at better hotels like the Ritz Carlton, Marriott, or Gaylord Palms and rent a car.
1 hour of waiting, riding and disembarking is crazy. Mix in 2 hours to go from one hotel to another? No thank you. We have wondered about staying at a Monorail or Epcot resort but then getting to DAK would be no fun either.
Having a timetable would be good though. This is done at DLP and makes life a lot easier.
I have to agree with the comments about the existing bus service. It took us one wait period (we ended up getting a cab) trying to get a bus from Epcot to OKW resort, to decide that it was worth it to us to rent a car. And on our last night, after we had turned in our car, we waited seemingly forever to get a bus from DHS to our resort. We're going back in January, staying at AKL, and we'll be renting a car right after we get there. (We probably will use the DME to get from the airport to the resort and vice versa...the baggage handling is just too convenient...)
After considering the article, I've come to the following conclusion: If you make it too difficult, people will decide "why bother" and either drive to the park or just stay home.
As a parent I've had a child fall asleep on my lap on the bus ride "home". The thought of having to transfer would just make it unbearable for families. Let's face it, without families there is no Walt Disney World.
[quote=Mickey_Mouse;2909055]Doesn't WDW use millions of gallons of fryer grease per year? It seems to me that it could either be converted to biodiesel easily, or even burned straight in the busses via an auxiliary tank. Even converting it to biodiesel would cost around $1 a gallon, and that could definitely offset the diesel cost at WDW.
I imagine that when combined WDW produces a lot of fryer grease. Probably not enough to be free of diesel but a good percentage. In LA they use many natural gas buses also. Not sure what the savings is.
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We just got back from a 4-day trip to the parks (stayed at the Hilton-Lake Buena Vista and used our car to get to the parks.)
Fuel Costs are already leading to a decline by degrees at the parks. Monorails (per one of the monorail drivers) are being cut back (from three to two late night on a Sunday) and trams are significantly being cut back (only one running at Epcot on a Sunday afternoon and one running at the MK late night).
WDW is not doing the unmentionable and holding trams and monorails until they are full before sending them (thus reducing the number of trips, but declining the experience as you arrive at the parks).
On our first trip from the TTC to the MK at 8:30pm on a Friday night, it took 25 minutes to get to the MK, as we were stopped four times, so the monorails in front of us could fill up before leaving the station.
Then, when we went to take the RR inside the park to avoid the parade crowd, they were no longer boarding the train at 9:00pm (with the park opened until 11:00pm for regular guests that night).
Also, there are no longer any cast members at the tram stops at any of the parks. You are left there by yourself until a tram arrives, then the driver and 2nd cast member handle all of the loading. (This is not a major issue, it's just really strange to stand at the TTC with no Disney employee in sigth)
These moves are smart for economics, but some of the magic is gone. Especially, when you arrive at the park. Some of your excitement is dampered by slower transportation, then bag check lines before you are finally admitted.
Disney Parks are still the best, but the decline is evident.
I don't see how running buses to the TTC vs. MK and Epcot would have any significant fuel savings. The trip to the TTC isn't much shorter than simply running to the MK bus loop. Also, consider that the TTC was built in days when there were many fewer resorts--there simply isn't room to transplant the MK bus loop there anymore without major renos. Finally, the MK monorail system is already overloaded at park opening and close. Can you imagine adding all those bus passengers to the load!
Running Epcot buses to the TTC would actually increase fuel consumption, not save it. Where are those buses orginating? Epcot, DD, and AK area resorts. All of these resorts are closer to Epcot than they are to the TTC so it doesn't make any sence to run them to the TTC instead.
Finally, the last thing Disney wants is their own resort guests to start renting cars. This was the whole idea behind Disney's Magical Express, get the guests on-property without anyway of getting off property so you can capture all their vacation dollars. If the internal transit system degrades too much then guests will start renting cars and be tempted to head off-property for at least some of their meals and shopping. They might even decide to spend a day or two at Universal and Sea World instead of exclusively visiting Disney parks. Sure, bus fuel is expensive, but having the guests spend their money elsewhere is even more expensive.
Finally, what ever happened to the hybrid bus trial that Disney did a couple of years ago? This would seem to be a natural for reducing fuel costs without any additional infrastructure costs. Remember, if the parks and resorts start hurting financially, the last thing Disney will do is invest major bucks in a capital campaign for new monorails, people-movers, personal transport systems, etc. These things all have to come out of the WDW budget and will do nothing to intice more people to come to the parks (as opposed to new attractions). Instead they'll cut where ever they can and try to ride out the storm.
Remember, if the parks and resorts start hurting financially, the last thing Disney will do is invest major bucks in a capital campaign for new monorails, people-movers, personal transport systems, etc. These things all have to come out of the WDW budget and will do nothing to intice more people to come to the parks (as opposed to new attractions). Instead they'll cut where ever they can and try to ride out the storm.
Well, in order to prevent people from not coming due to poorer transportation services being offered, WDW might have to step it up.
What better way than to go all out, Old-School-Disney-style?
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