I'm not saying that's the way to go. They shouldn't colonize the Nav'i either.
I should have said more precisely that people who have been professionally trained to deal with public health and medical issues (me for example!), wouldn't be so blase concerning the issue of smoking in a film. I'm not going out on a limb to say that there is a 99.9% chance that you don't have a medical or a public healthcare degree. You say I am making an unfair assumption, but of course you provide no evidence as to your expertise. You seem to be angered that I can read your post and in all likelihood deduce your level of understanding and familiarity with this public health issue. Well, if, for example, you had some sort of specialized knowledge in Hungarian cabinet making and I commented on something I know little about, then yes, you would be able to call me out on it.
As you yourself said, "I can assure you that smoking was neither "prominently featured" in the film nor was it a "big controversy." It was a character bit affected by one of the film's co-stars, and was seen briefly with background characters. There was, and is, nothing controversial about it."
Everybody makes their own opinions, and it is laughable that you would "assure" everybody there is no problem with smoking and Avatar.
And then you quote your expertise as "participating" in all the Avatar related threads on Miceage. There isn't a lot of scholarly articles, or primary sources, on Micechat, hence you aren't learning much, just airing your grievances. Um, Weaver's character is prominent in the film, her smoking is not something happening in the background and even I can remember her, "Who's got my goddamn cigarette?" line.
Scenesmoking.org gave Avatar a black lung for the positive portrayal of smoking, and one advocate commented that it was millions in free advertising for the tobacco companies.
Smoking in movies can be more powerful that just advertising, when it comes to getting teens to smoke. Weaver's character was meant to be sexy, rebellious, assertive, and she uses smoking a way to deal with stress. I don't think anybody who saw the film thought that she was a villain.
Or, some know about the risks of smoking, know about the effects of seeing smoking on screen, and think the whole thing's overblown and outrageously over-enforced. We think scrubbing clean all depictions of smoking is going too far. We don't buy into it and we never will. Because we value freedom: from over-reaching anti-smoking advocates, would-be film censors and the like.
The American Heart Association et al has a right to pursue their goals and the rest of us have the right to resist Big Brother making all the decisions for everyone.
Regardless, I wish the inclusion of Avatar land at AK would simply just go up in smoke.
There's an old saying, "the right to swing your fist ends where my nose begins." I hate second hand smoke, my grandfather smoked around my mom and she got asthma from it. So, I think it is more than fair that second-hand smoke is banned in public places, and parents shouldn't smoke inside a house where kids live, and they shouldn't smoke around them period.
Another problem with Avatar is that Weaver's character smokes around people. Hopefully in the future second hand smoke will be banned on spaceships and in public areas.
I voted Yes, I'm OK with a violent/smoking film becoming a land. Even though the wording in the poll option is a bit much. There is so much smoking and violence in Disney propeties I am not sure how pointing out a non-disney property even matters. I am not sure about this thread honestly but I am ok with them building the land but I fail to see the connection to promoting smoking by doign so.
The Indiana Jones movies contains scenes of people getting melted, stabbed through the head, decapitated, and having their hearts ripped out. These are absent from both the ride and the stunt show.
Avatarland doesn't need to have a smoking blue Mickey walk around character.
If they go with corporate sponsorship of Avatarland from Phillip Morris, I might be persuaded that it promotes smoking.
For all we know the Sigourney Weaver audioanimatronic might be depicted without a cigarette at all. Or an e-cigarette to pacify some criticism.
Regardless of the truth of anything you're saying Cheshire, this is not where this should be posted and the title is misleading. It's conjecture that Avatarland is going away due to smoking or violence. Not a single person official Disney source has even broached the subject. The response would have to be overwhelming and immediate for Disney to cancel the plans (if they are still in place), like it was with Merida.
The issue is also with the movie Avatar more than the land. The connection between taking your child to see the land, them demanding to see Avatar, them noticing Sigourney Weaver smokes, and then them becoming a smoker later in life is somewhat dubious. The issue's with the film, not the land. Shutting down this hundreds of millions of dollar project because one character likes to smoke in a film the land is based on isn't going to happen.
As for the censorship, you should take to your child about smoking openly and honestly. If you give them real information about what smoking does to your body, and about how tobacco companies market their products as something stress-free and relaxing, they'll have enough information to not start smoking because Sigourney Weaver does in the film. Censorship, trying to hide things and pretend they don't exist, will pique a child's curiosity far more than a character on screen smoking will.
I did a quick googling, it looks like 21% of Americans are smokers now, down from almost 50% in the 40's and 50's. Smoking used to be a stronger cultural idea than it is today. Smoking was first classy and elegant, then individual, rugged, and rebellious, but now it's just sort of gross. No one looks at a smoking guy and thinks they're cool the way they did in the 80's, or that they're elegant like they would in the 50's. The idea has changed, and having a section of an amusement park based on one film in which one character likes to smoke is not going to have any impact on the cultural perception of smoking. That is extremely alarmist.
I still can't get over that you think Avatar should've been rated R...it was very tame, especially by today's standards.
The thing is, you're not going to find a perfect moral movie to base an attraction off of. Indiana Jones really almost WAS rated R (Raiders of the Lost Ark was rated 14A in Canada, and Temple of Doom inspired the PG-13 rating because of its closeness to an R-rating), and features plenty of smoking, drinking, killing, blood, Nazis, religious taboos, etc...yet no one is complaining about the Temple of the Forbidden Eye
A wholesome attraction can be made independently of the film. Song of the South was highly controversial and even considered racist, but you dont see Splash Mountain carrying themes of racism in it...in the end it's just a fun ride based on cute characters. An Avatar attraction does not need a smoking character, smoking is not an integral part of the story at all, therefore it's a non-issue.
Smoking in films does increase teen smoking rates, more so than advertising for cigarettes. Other advertisers do produce placement in movies for the commercial value as well, (not saying that a tobacco company sponsored Avatar, just an example).
Sure, Indy 2 had a lot of violence, but it spurred the PG-13 rating, so it happened a while ago. Nonetheless, it seems to be that Avatar does more to promote smoking than a lot of other films, by making one of the heroes in the film smoke, she's also a brilliant scientist who wants to help the natives on Pandora.
Most kids aren't at risk for slaughtering a jawa village with a light saber, I'll skip the whole violence in films angle as the smoking in films link to teen smoking rates has already been proven. If the only response to smoking in Avatar is that maybe some other films are worse, then I think the opponents aren't seeing the big picture.
There probably won't be smoking in Avatarland, HOWEVER kids/families who experience the land might buy the DVD of Avatar, or pull out the Avatar DVD and watch it again, and the experience of Avatarland might make the characters more attractive to kids.
Here's a CNN article:
Should smoking trigger an R rating? - CNN.com
Movies that show actors smoking tobacco should automatically earn an R rating in order to minimize copycat smoking among impressionable tweens and teenagers, the authors of a new study suggest.
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For every 500 smoking scenes a child saw in PG-13 movies, his or her likelihood of trying cigarettes increased by 49%. The comparable figure for R-rated movies was 33%, a statistically negligible difference. Assigning an R rating to all movies portraying smoking would lower the proportion of kids who try cigarettes at this age by 18%, the authors estimate.