View Poll Results: Do You Want Avatarland?

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    8 57.14%
  • No, Disney shouldn't grab for dollars while promoting child smoking

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    Re: Is Avatarland Finished Due to Smoking and Violence?

    Quote Originally Posted by chesirecat View Post
    My opinion: No, in most cases.

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    Re: Is Avatarland Finished Due to Smoking and Violence?

    Quote Originally Posted by chesirecat View Post
    Smoking in films does increase teen smoking rates.
    It's up to parents to decide if they want their kids watching films or not. Or restrict it to films which depict the sterile scrubbed-clean version of the world they want them to see.

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    Re: Is Avatarland Finished Due to Smoking and Violence?

    Quote Originally Posted by RexSaucy View Post
    Regardless of the truth of anything you're saying Cheshire, this is not where this should be posted and the title is misleading. It's conjecture that Avatarland is going away due to smoking or violence. Not a single person official Disney source has even broached the subject. The response would have to be overwhelming and immediate for Disney to cancel the plans (if they are still in place), like it was with Merida.
    Disney is aware of the smoking angle, after all, Avatar was criticized for this and Disney wants to preserve its image as family friendly. The title of the post is a question, and meant to be provocative, if you want to read into it, that's your choice.

    Quote Originally Posted by RexSaucy View Post

    As for the censorship, you should take to your child about smoking openly and honestly. If you give them real information about what smoking does to your body, and about how tobacco companies market their products as something stress-free and relaxing, they'll have enough information to not start smoking because Sigourney Weaver does in the film.
    Some parents do take the time to talking about smoking with their kids. But if you remember what it was like to be a teenager, peer pressure and wanting to be cool and rebelling against mom and dad is part of the equation.

    Some parents wouldn't take the time. Doesn't change the fact that smoking in movies does increase smoking rates in teens, and a smart, fashionable, strong-willed charater like Weaver's is a compelling reason to experiment with smoking, or at least get a teen to think that smoking is normal and can be used by successful people to deal with stress.

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    Re: Is Avatarland Finished Due to Smoking and Violence?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaliforniaAdventurer View Post
    It's up to parents to decide if they want their kids watching films or not. Or restrict it to films which depict the sterile scrubbed-clean version of the world they want them to see.
    LOL, nothing about Avatar is real. As many have pointed out, the vast majority of environmentally conscious people like Weaver don't smoke.

    Kids are restricted from seeing R rated films, and parents who don't have time to pre-screen films can make decisions about teens by using the R and PG-13 ratings.

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    Re: Is Avatarland Finished Due to Smoking and Violence?

    Quote Originally Posted by chesirecat View Post
    As many have pointed out, the vast majority of environmentally conscious people like Weaver don't smoke.
    Who pointed this out? Do you have a source for this opinion?

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    Re: Is Avatarland Finished Due to Smoking and Violence?

    Quote Originally Posted by chesirecat View Post
    Some parents do take the time to talking about smoking with their kids. But if you remember what it was like to be a teenager, peer pressure and wanting to be cool and rebelling against mom and dad is part of the equation.

    Some parents wouldn't take the time.
    You see, you're saying since some parents don't do the job of PARENTING, well then all of us should be parented by the government. No thanks!

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    Re: Is Avatarland Finished Due to Smoking and Violence?

    Quote Originally Posted by RexSaucy View Post
    I did a quick googling, it looks like 21% of Americans are smokers now, down from almost 50% in the 40's and 50's. Smoking used to be a stronger cultural idea than it is today. Smoking was first classy and elegant, then individual, rugged, and rebellious, but now it's just sort of gross.
    But behind those statistics is the fact that smoking rates have stabilized, and smoking is still the lead of cause of preventable illness.

    Smokers want the government to butt out, and be allowed to make their own decisions. But non-smokers pay for lung cancer of smokers, and may pay a personal cost due to the inhalation of second hand smoke. Parents who don't want their kids to smoke I think are justified in asking that smoking be pushed up to an R rating to put the films further out of the reach of teenagers. A 13 year old could have seen Avatar with their friends and not have had a discussion with mom and dad about smoking if their parents hadn't seen the film, or didn't know their kid saw the film.

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    Re: Is Avatarland Finished Due to Smoking and Violence?

    No worries, everyone.....its the future, they were electronic cigarettes !!!!

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    Re: Is Avatarland Finished Due to Smoking and Violence?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaliforniaAdventurer View Post
    You see, you're saying since some parents don't do the job of PARENTING, well then all of us should be parented by the government. No thanks!
    It is ludicrous to say that R ratings impact adults, they sure don't. Making films with smoking R rated doesn't impact adults and you know it.

    The point of public health is to take reasonable steps to prevent injury, its called harm reduction. Sometimes people have to do things they don't want, like wear seat belts, so us taxpayers don't have to foot the bill of the high number of injuries from traffic accidents.

    Smokers can complain about the government, but they're perfectly happy with mooching off of others to pay for their medical bills and treat their heart disease and lung disease caused by smoking.
    Last edited by chesirecat; 05-16-2013 at 02:26 PM.

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    Re: Is Avatarland Finished Due to Smoking and Violence?

    Quote Originally Posted by redrhino54 View Post
    No worries, everyone.....its the future, they were electronic cigarettes !!!!
    E cigarrettes are apparently less harmful than regular cigarettes, true, but teens who started on E cigs may well need to buy regular cigarettes once in a while, or they may migrate over to using mostly regular cigarettes. E cigarettes also contain propylene glycol, in addition to nicotine, the health risks of E cigarettes is currently unknown. I think that in the film it was a regular cigarette.

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    Re: Is Avatarland Finished Due to Smoking and Violence?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaliforniaAdventurer View Post
    Who pointed this out? Do you have a source for this opinion?
    Really? One of the articles I read quoted a tobacco researcher who said that the vast majority of environmental scientists don't smoke as he has never meet one that did. If you've been around scientists you'd realize this is probably true. Something like 99% of doctors don't smoke either, not at all obvious why.

    http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5935a3.htm

    the prevalence of smoking was 28.5% among persons with less than a high school diploma, compared with 5.6% among those with a graduate degree.

    Environmental scientists have a graduate degree, i.e. masters or PhD. So, all else being equal you'd expect 94.4% of environmental scientists to be non-smokers. BUT environmental scientists deal with studies of pollutants, they are even more aware of the dangers of smoking (as are doctors), so I would wager that the prevalence of smokers is even lower among the environmental scientist cohort.
    Last edited by chesirecat; 05-16-2013 at 02:32 PM.

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    Re: Is Avatarland Finished Due to Smoking and Violence?

    James Cameron stated after the New York Times asked him about their rating:

    “She’s rude, she swears, she drinks, she smokes,” wrote Mr. Cameron. “Also, from a character perspective, we were showing that Grace doesn’t care about her human body, only her avatar body, which again is a negative comment about people in our real world living too much in their avatars, meaning online and in video games.”
    Smoking+Avatar=You have got to be kidding me. - Off-Topic - Giant Bomb

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    Re: Is Avatarland Finished Due to Smoking and Violence?

    Is anyone so suseptible to advertising and propaganda that they take either the tobacco industry or the anti-smoking bloc seriously?
    smoke

    If blame must be placed, place it on stupidity. Enact laws against stupidity. Place a label on all media, including and especially tv and newspapers that believing is hazardous to your health.

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    Re: Is Avatarland Finished Due to Smoking and Violence?


    You seem to have a lot of opinions, perhaps preconceived notions, about smoking in films . . . but the scientific studies have come to opposite conclusions, and it is well established that glamorization of smoking leads to increased incidence of smoking in teens. End of story.

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    Re: Is Avatarland Finished Due to Smoking and Violence?

    Quote Originally Posted by chesirecat View Post
    You seem to have a lot of opinions, perhaps preconceived notions, about smoking in films . . . but the scientific studies have come to opposite conclusions, and it is well established that glamorization of smoking leads to increased incidence of smoking in teens. End of story.
    No, I come to a different conclusion about what to do next. Smoking in movies influences kids to smoke? If so, don't let your kids see those movies, if that's your solution.

    Don't let me or my kids see those movies? That's not your choice to make. And that's the end of the story.

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