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    Re: Another Disneyland Cast Member Arrested , Whats going on here?

    Quote Originally Posted by calsig31 View Post
    ...the Disneyland ticket holders are not there wearing Disney uniforms and name badges that make them appear as someone that a lost child could trust.
    This. Unless you can tell me that the accused worked backstage and never, ever EVER went into the park proper for any reason, when he was in the park he was recognizable as a Disney employee.

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    Re: Another Disneyland Cast Member Arrested , Whats going on here?

    Quote Originally Posted by MrLiver View Post
    It's wrong to bring up because it serves no purpose other than fear mongering. He may or may not have had access (I say he didn't), but that doesn't mean he used it. Access is nothing.

    Just by sheer numbers alone, there are far more pedophiles and convicted sex offenders with Disneyland Annual passes that have access to the park than employees. Probably a deal more than employees since they do background checks on the employees. Of course this is all true, but its completely i irrelevant to what this guy did (and the discussion should be about what he did or did not do while at Disneyland rather than what he had access to. Changing the discussion into what ifs and slippery slopes really takes away from what he may have done.
    That's your opinion, nothing more or less. The point that you keep missing is that predators look for power + access, both of which this guy had in his Disney job. You can go look up all the cases where predators have taken jobs that specifically allow them to be around children in some way. It's not fear mongering; it's pointing out that his actions fit a pattern that is consistently used by other predators. We're not talking about other employees and APs; we're talking about this one creep.

    As a CM, he had full privileges to enter the park on any day he wanted, so he essentially had unlimited access to an area with a lot of children. That's not speculation, it's fact, since it's a known perk that CMs receive. He had access to walk freely around the park including backstage areas that park guests cannot be in. Again, fact, not opinion. And he was in a position of authority that an ordinary park guest wouldn't have - regardless if he was mostly backstage, he would have had his Disney nametag and uniform and been identifiable as a park employee. As others have pointed out, people tell their children that park employees can be trusted and looked to for help, if needed. All of which is dangerous in this case.

    None of those things would apply to ordinary guests. Yes, they can get into the park at any time, but they don't have the advanced knowledge of backstage/access; and they don't have authority over any other guests. Nor would other guests trust them to be a point of information or help.
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    Re: Another Disneyland Cast Member Arrested , Whats going on here?

    Quote Originally Posted by ewokrights View Post
    While Disney does do a background check, I doubt that they use the LiveScan service. It's $70 (on average) for just the FBI service, with extra options available. Considering the sheer number of CM's, that is just way too much money. I know it's Disney, and they can "afford to do anything," but as the Accounteneer has taught me, even the biggest business' still have budgets. My final point would be a quote from Johnny Depp while in his role as Captain Jack Sparrow:
    Speaking as a teacher, I know that my district requires me to pay for the LiveScan, not them. I wonder if Disney might (or does) require the same thing?

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    Re: Another Disneyland Cast Member Arrested , Whats going on here?

    Quote Originally Posted by ww12345 View Post
    Speaking as a teacher, I know that my district requires me to pay for the LiveScan, not them. I wonder if Disney might (or does) require the same thing?
    That's what I was thinking, too. Or the tab might be split 50 - 50. When I had to do a LiveScan for a company I was working with, I paid for it, but I was reimbursed about 70% of the fee after working for the company for 1000 hours.
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    Re: Another Disneyland Cast Member Arrested , Whats going on here?

    Quote Originally Posted by ww12345 View Post
    Speaking as a teacher, I know that my district requires me to pay for the LiveScan, not them. I wonder if Disney might (or does) require the same thing?
    In this day & age it's absolutely paramount that Disney protect it's young customers but could cast members afford this at $8 bucks (and some change) and hour? And if Disney execs were to think about flipping the bill would the bean counters put a nix on the idea?
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    Re: Another Disneyland Cast Member Arrested , Whats going on here?

    I am one of those who feels that Disneyland was mentioned in headlines just to raise the scandal level of the story. These predators exist and are arrested all the time, but to drag their employer into a sordid situation just because it generates news appeal is wrong. And mean.

    We have a news story in Oregon right now about a hiker who died on Mt. Hood -- for some reason all the headlines mention that he was a dentist. Is there something special about being a dead mountain-climbing dentist? As opposed to a dead mountain-climbing software engineer? Or a dead mountain-climbing Human Resources assistant? Does the word "dentist" imply something I'm not picking up?

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    Re: Another Disneyland Cast Member Arrested , Whats going on here?

    Quote Originally Posted by G24T View Post
    In this day & age it's absolutely paramount that Disney protect it's young customers
    What's different about this day & age from other days & ages? There have always been sexual predators preying on innocent victims, young and old, so it's not that. Is it the news coverage that's different, or that parents aren't as protective as they used to be? I'm asking in earnest.

    Quote Originally Posted by G24T View Post
    but could cast members afford this at $8 bucks (and some change) and hour? And if Disney execs were to think about flipping the bill would the bean counters put a nix on the idea?
    Well, if you look at Disneyland's entire history with regard to this issue, it seems that there hasn't been much of a justification. Everything has a cost, and costs can add up quickly if you don't keep them under control. I'm not saying that no precaution is ever worth its cost, but that it must be scrutinized carefully and realistically. It's funny making this argument when Disney is involved, given the profitability of their parks, but the principle applies to everybody, whether it's a corporation, a government (now there's a good example of out-of-control spending ), or an individual.

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    Re: Another Disneyland Cast Member Arrested , Whats going on here?

    While I believe the article was unfair to Disney, I can see why the Times chose to make the connection. This person was working for a company that most associate with being family-friendly, and he was working at a place where children frequent. That is why it is irrelevant if he were a 7-11 or Walmart employee. Those places do not have that same connotation. Regardless, you cannot fault Disney for the actions of this person, and as it often is, Disney is once again a victim of circumstance.

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    Re: Another Disneyland Cast Member Arrested , Whats going on here?

    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Cook View Post
    What's different about this day & age from other days & ages? There have always been sexual predators preying on innocent victims, young and old, so it's not that. Is it the news coverage that's different, or that parents aren't as protective as they used to be? I'm asking in earnest.
    Per a sociology research paper that I did when I was in college: Statistically, prior to the birth of corporate media, modern pop culture, and the internet the greatest majority of documented cases of sexual abuse occurred in households whereas the family elder(s) would abuse a blood or non-blood relative often of a very young age. In 1998 when the internet became cheaper to access the types of cases of sexual abuse changed from it being this kind of family problem into predators focusing on the outside world for it's victims. Cases also went up more than ten thousand percent in a five year comparison where the number of cases were compared from 80'-85' and 95'-00' and chosen specifically to determine what effect the internet had on sexual deviance. A fun Disney factoid (sorta). In 1999 police across the globe compensated more than one million images, video recordings, and magazine prints relating to the Brittney Spears' hit "Baby one More Time" from people who had committed sexual crimes.

    (The rest is an observation) In "this day and age" sexual predators have 24 access to fuel their addiction. Whether it be free streaming adult videos, random "all ages" chat programs like "Omegle, Camstumble, and Tinychat", or completely anonymous access to web forums like 4chan where predators can congregate and discuss anything about the subject without fear of being tracked down and arrested, I really believe that times are changing to the point where all this stimulus is virtually creating ticking time bombs ten-fold in comparison to 13 years ago when predators depended mostly on pop-media fantasy and/or secret hard drives that were mailed around to one another if they happened to find access to predator clubs.

    As you see, times change, unfortunately for the worst sometimes.
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