My Disney theme park proposal (location TBA)

[dch3]

Back in '92 when I was on the college program (Inside the Magic: The Special Effects and Production Tour), there were several ideas that I came up with...

First, Tiki Birds was down for its re-worked show (which should have been put down). So the idea that I had was that the Tiki Birds should be moved to the Disney-MGM Studios and given a Hitchcock twist - at the end of the show, the birds rise up and attack the guests.

The next idea, was to merge the Hall of Presidents with the Frontierland shooting gallery. (No further comment please, I know it was a SICK idea).

Another idea was to have the 4th gate themed after the great wars of the modern era. (This was during the DAK rumors, where everyone knew that the land had been cleared, the nighttime lighting determined, but no announcement.) One of the attractions would be a Jungle Cruise type of attraction where you're on a tour in the deepest, darkest regions of Vietnam when you accidently sail into a combat zone, before you can be escorted out of the zone, planes start attacking you complete with straffing runs and the such (a la the special effects water tank). In the center of the park would be a mountain, that of course was the parks icon, the NORAD mountain. Everyone entering the park enters through the mountain where they're given a tour of NORAD, during the tour alarms go off - ITS A THERMAL NUCLEAR ATTACHK! The military goes DEFCON1. Missile tracks light up on the boards showing the destinations of several inbound ICBM's (curiously they're not headed to NY or LA - they're headed to Orlando & Anaheim). When the missiles are just seconds away, everything goes dark and the works 'SHALL WE PLAY A GAME?' appear on screen and someone comes running in screaming that it was only a simulation.

Needless to say, I'm not an Imagineer.

David H

[KentB3]

Another thing that I would probably change is the Chef Mickey's character meal. I would probably move Chef Mickey's to one the hotels instead of Downtown Disney.

Actually WDW's Chef Mickey's was at Downtown Disney originally before moving to the Contemporary.

[KentB3]

Back in '92 when I was on the college program (Inside the Magic: The Special Effects and Production Tour), there were several ideas that I came up with...

First, Tiki Birds was down for its re-worked show (which should have been put down). So the idea that I had was that the Tiki Birds should be moved to the Disney-MGM Studios and given a Hitchcock twist - at the end of the show, the birds rise up and attack the guests.

The next idea, was to merge the Hall of Presidents with the Frontierland shooting gallery. (No further comment please, I know it was a SICK idea).

Another idea was to have the 4th gate themed after the great wars of the modern era. (This was during the DAK rumors, where everyone knew that the land had been cleared, the nighttime lighting determined, but no announcement.) One of the attractions would be a Jungle Cruise type of attraction where you're on a tour in the deepest, darkest regions of Vietnam when you accidently sail into a combat zone, before you can be escorted out of the zone, planes start attacking you complete with straffing runs and the such (a la the special effects water tank). In the center of the park would be a mountain, that of course was the parks icon, the NORAD mountain. Everyone entering the park enters through the mountain where they're given a tour of NORAD, during the tour alarms go off - ITS A THERMAL NUCLEAR ATTACHK! The military goes DEFCON1. Missile tracks light up on the boards showing the destinations of several inbound ICBM's (curiously they're not headed to NY or LA - they're headed to Orlando & Anaheim). When the missiles are just seconds away, everything goes dark and the works 'SHALL WE PLAY A GAME?' appear on screen and someone comes running in screaming that it was only a simulation.

Needless to say, I'm not an Imagineer.

David H

LOL, I guess not!

[sleepyjeff]

Hey, I know what everyone's going to say when I propose this, but how about Minnesota.
It really isn't as cold as everyone thinks, in fact, in the summer it gets alot warmer here than most of the country. It has the largest metro area furthest away from both Anaheim and Orlando, and the Mall of America already attracts more people than both American Disney resorts. Of course any park would need some tweeking here and there but theres plenty o' land and plenty o' natural beauty up here!

Sounds good. Next year when I come up for the eelpot festival in Walker, I will scout a location somewhere on Leach Lake

[KentB3]

I was thinking about possibilities for a 3rd gate theme park for my Disney theme park resort, if/when profits and guest attendance are big enough to open a 3rd theme park here. I have been considering a DisneySea park, or something similar, for a 3rd gate; perhaps something a little more along the lines of the proposed DisneySea park that was planned for Long Beach about 10 years ago, along with a number of features from Tokyo's DisneySea park as well as several original features as well. Here are a couple of articles about this Long Beach DisneySea park that never was:

http://www.jimhillmedia.com/mb/artic...le.php?ID=1295
http://www.jimhillmedia.com/mb/artic...le.php?ID=1299

You might notice in the article in the first weblink that the Long Beach park had a land which looked very similar to Paradise Pier at California Adventure. It's quite something how Disney often recycles old ideas like these!

[eyes_of_mara]

Oh... Dear... God... I would love to see you make another park, but You seem to be running out of rides, as you put them all in your other parks!

But I shouldn't underestimate a man who made up seemingly airtight plans for two thoroughly enjoyable theme parks!

[stitcharielsinbad]

awesome as always KentB3...I've been a fan of your work since I first saw your B&B Castle over at TalkDisney(I'm the guy who started the "If You Were the WDW Boss" thread) and again in WDWMagic (I'm Stitchcastle there)

[IndyJn511]

No offence, but these all seem to be ideas taken from other parks, maybe tweaked a bit, and arranged differently. Do you have any origional ideas we could see? Good job on the presentation

[KentB3]

Another thing that I would probably change is the Chef Mickey's character meal. I would probably move Chef Mickey's to one the hotels instead of Downtown Disney.

Glad you brought that up! Now that I think about it, Chef Mickey's would be better suited for a hotel instead since it's a "character dining only" restaurant, and only serves breakfast and dinner (no lunch). This may be the reason why WDW's Chef Mickey's only lasted 2 or 3 years; since guests at Downtown Disney would probably expect lunch to be served at all restaurants in a shopping/entertainment district, and Chef Mickey's was in competition with a large number of other restuarants, especially high-profile ones such as Planet Hollywood and Wolfgang Puck's

However, I did want a character meal of some sort at Downtown Disney, so I thought the best solution was to hold a character breakfast in an existing restaurant; primarily since not many Downtown Disney restaurants serve breakfast, thus giving less competition! A few years back, Fulton's Crab House had a character breakfast each morning, so this seemes like the best place; especially given its setting in a riverboat-shaped building on water, which makes this restaurant unique and stand out!

Here is what I now have for my list of character meals which will be at my proposed Disney theme park resort as of opening day, with these revisions:

MAGIC KINGDOM:

Crystal Palace: Similar to its Walt Disney World and Tokyo Disneyland counterparts, The Crystal Palace is a buffet restaurant offering character meals at Breakfast, Lunch, and Dinner. Guests are joined by Winnie the Pooh, Tigger, Piglet, Rabbit, and Eeyore at all 3 meals!

The Crystal Palace is located on Main Street, USA at the corner of Main Street and the central hub. Despite its Main Street, USA location, Crystal Palace can also be entered from Adventureland in the back! This would give guests the best of both "lands", since WDW's Crystal Palace can only be entered from Main Street and Tokyo's only from Adventureland!

Global Grill: Located inside The Earth pavillion in Discoveryland, Global Grill holds an Ice Cream Social with Mickey and Minnie daily at 3pm.

Liberty Tree Tavern: Similar to its WDW counterpart, Liberty Tree Tavern is located on Liberty Street (part of Main Street, USA), and offers character dining at Dinner. Guests are joined by Mickey, Minnie, Goofy, Pluto, and Meeko.

Lumière's: Located on the second floor of Beauty and the Beast Castle, Lumière's hosts a character breakfast similar to the one held at Cinderella's Royal Table in WDW's Magic Kingdom.

Characters include Belle, Cinderella, Snow White, Aladdin, Jasmine, and Peter Pan (inside the dining hall); along with Sleeping Beauty, who greets guests in the lobby.


DISNEY STUDIOS:

Hollywood & Vine: Similar to its Disney-MGM counterpart at WDW, Hollywood & Vine holds character Lunch buffet from 11:30AM to 2:45PM. (IIRC, Hollywood & Vine used to have character meals, but Disney-MGM discontinued all character dining in the park). Guests are joined by Minnie, Daisy (both wearing Hollywood Starlet Outfits), Goofy (in a gangster outfit), Pluto, Chip & Dale.


DOWNTOWN DISNEY

Fulton's Crab House:

Like its WDW's Downtown Disney counterpart, Fulton's Crab House is located inside a building shaped like a giant riverboat, which sits on water. At my Disney theme park resort, Fulton's Crab House sits on a waterway alongside Downtown Disney, at the end of Downdown Disney Marketplace right by Downtown Disney's center where DD Marketplace and DD Paradise Plaza (the entertainment district much like Disneyland's Downtown Disney has) join. The monorail stop for Downtown Disney is also located in the center of Downtown Disney as well.

The character breakfast at Fulton's Crab House is a buffet with a menu similar to Donald's Breakfastosarus at WDW's Animal Kingdom, but stripped of its dinosaur/prehistoric theming. Characters include Donald, Daisy, Scrooge McDuck, Mickey, Goofy, and Pluto.


DISNEYLAND HOTEL

1900 Park Faire:

Breakfast: Alice, Mad Hatter, White Rabbit, Pinocchio, Mary Poppins, and Bert

Afternoon Tea: This is a children's activity session as well for children 3-10 years old, much like the Wonderland Tea Party at WDW's 1900 Park Faire. Characters include Alice, the Mad Hatter, and the White Rabbit

Dinner: Cinderella, Prince Charming, Fairy Godmother, Pinocchio, Geppetto and Jiminy Cricket.


DISNEY'S CONTEMPORARY RESORT

Chef Mickey's:

Breakfast: Mickey, Minnie, Goofy, Pluto, Chip & Dale

Dinner: Mickey, Minnie, Donald, Goofy, Chip & Dale.


DISNEY'S HOLLYWOOD HOTEL:

Roger's Buffeteria: Themed to the 1988 movie Who Framed Roger Rabbit, Roger's Buffeteria features character dining at Breakfast and Dinner, where Roger is joined by a wide variety of his Disney friends!

Breakfast: Roger, Minnie, Goofy, Max, Rafiki, and Timon

Dinner: Roger, Mickey, Donald, Pluto, Peter Pan, and Wendy


If anyone has questions, comments, and/or suggestions, please feel free to post!

[KentB3]

I have made a few revisions to my lists of shops, restaurants, and entertainment establishments for Downtown Disney at my proposed Disney theme park resort.

I was considering a layout for Downtown Disney which would be sort of a combination of Disneyland's Downtown Disney and the proposed Disneyland Plaza (similar to Downtown Disney) that was planned for DLR about 10 years ago but scrapped along with WestCOT (which had shops, restuarants, and entertainment venues around a lake), but with more room for future expansion. Also, my Downtown Disney is located on a central hub between the two parks; unlike WDW's Downtown Disney, which seems quite out of the way!

In addition, there is a monorail stop between Downtown Disney Marketplace and Paradise Plaza; as the monorail is also connected to the two theme parks and all hotels, plus the campground!

So far, my Downtown Disney has 43 establishments, 9 more than Disneyland's Downtown Disney in Anaheim, but 17 less than WDW's Downtown Disney (26 if you include the Boardwalk!)

Here is what I have so far:

DOWNTOWN DISNEY MARKETPLACE

Food & Restaurants:
1.) Alfredo's of Rome (L'Originale Alfredo di Roma Ristorante)
2.) Baskin-Robbins
3.) Cinnamon Bay Bakery
4.) Earl of Sandwich
5.) Fulton's Crab House: this is actually located between Downtown Disney Marketplace and Paradise Plaza (listed below), near the monorail station stop on the Downtown Disney lake, in a riverboat-shaped building like WDW's acessable by bridge. In addition to its seafood menu for lunch and dinner, Fulton's Crab House also holds a character breakfast each morning (WDW's Fulton's Crab House had a character breakfast as well during the 1990's, and possibly earlier), with a buffet menu similar to Donald's Breakfastosarus at WDW's Animal Kingdom, but stripped of its dinosaur/prehistoric/safari theming!

Characters at breakfast include Donald, Daisy, Scrooge McDuck, Mickey, Goofy, and Pluto.

6.) Ghirardelli Soda Fountain and Chocolate Shop
7.) Marceline's Confectionery
8.) McDonald's
9.) Wetzel's Pretzels

Shops:
1) The Art of Disney
2.) Basin (selling candles, soaps, and bath crystals; just to name a few items!)
3.) Build-a-Bear Workshop
4.) Disney at Home
5.) Disney's Days of Christmas
6.) Illuminations
7.) LEGO Imagination Center
8.) Liquid Planet (store selling beachwear and accessories)
9.) Magnetron (selling an assortment of 50,000 magnets!)
10.) Once Upon a Toy
11.) Petals (selling a wide variety of leather goods, including jackets, handbags, and other accessories)
12.) Silver & Gold Gallery
13.) Team Mickey's Athletic Club
14.) World of Disney

DOWNTOWN DISNEY PARADISE PLAZA

Similar to Paradise Plaza at Disneyland in Anaheim, this is primarily Downtown Disney's entertainment district, with a few shops and restaurants:

Food/Restaurants/Entertainment:
1.) AMC Theaters 24
2.) Big Easy Jazz Kitchen
3.) ¡Bongos Y Arriba! Latino Cafe: Jointly owned by Gloria Estefan and the management of Disneyland's ¡Y Arriba! ¡Y Arriba!, ¡Bongos Y Arriba! combined the best features of the two Dinner clubs, offering a global scope of Hispanic food and music from various Latin American countries!

4.) Cheesecake Factory Express (located inside DisneyQuest)
5.) Cirque du Soleil
6.) DisneyQuest
7.) ESPN Zone
8.) House of Blues
9.) Planet Hollywood
10.) Rainforest Café
11.) Wolfgang Puck Café

Shopping:
1.) Borders Megastore (selling a wide variety of books, magazines, newpapers, music, videos, and DVD's)
2.) Celebrity Eyeworks
3.) DTV
4.) Hoypoloi
5.) House of Blues Company Store (adjacent to House of Blues)
6.) Paradise Plaza Magic Shop (a magic shop, which also offers free demonstrations for the customers!)
7.) Planet Hollywood: On Location (adjacent to Planet Hollywood)
8.) Rainforest Shop (inside Rainforest Café)
9.) Starabilias


As for the nightclub district, nothing has been planned so far. Keep in my that my Disney theme park resort has been planned as more of a daytrip (ie: Disneyland) as opposed to an entire vacation destination like WDW. Also, my Downtown Disney list is for opening day, so there's no telling what else would show up here as the years go by; given profits and park attendance!

If anyone here has questions, comments, and/or suggestions, please feel free to post; since I could use your feedback!

I look forward to hearing from you!

[KentB3]

I made a few revisions to my list of hotels for my proposed Disney theme park resort as of opening day-- which will consist of four hotels plus a campground. Three of these hotels run in the Deluxe to Moderate price range ($133+ per night), while the 4th is a Value-priced resort ($77-$124 per night). These hotels are listed in order from most expensive/luxurious to least. Here is what I have so far:

Disneyland Hotel: This is the crown jewel of the hotels in my proposed Disney theme park resort. The architecture is very much like that of the Grand Floridian, but the layout is more like that of Disneyland's Grand Californian, with all rooms in one building and six floors instead the Grand Floridian's and the Grand Californian's (I think) five. The Disneyland Hotel also includes the Neverland Pool, based on the Disney animated movie Peter Pan (1953) -- similar to the pool at the Disneyland (Anaheim) Hotel, but larger to accomodate more guests. There are 600 rooms inside the Disneyland Hotel, which overlooks the Magic Kingdom theme park.

Disney's Hollywood Hotel: This hotel overlooks the Disney Studios theme park, and has a Hollywood theme to it, with somewhat of a Disney focus. The Hollywood Hotel is quite similar to the Hollywood Hotel in the soon-to-open Hong Kong theme park, but may include a few differences as well. There are 502 rooms inside Disney's Hollywood Hotel, the same number as Disneyland's Paradise Pier Hotel.

Disney's Contemporary Resort: Overlooking the Discoveryland side of the Magic Kingdom, the Contemporary Resort is similar to its WDW counterpart, but with numerous differences as well. In addition to many different shops and restaurants, the conference rooms on the 3rd floor of WDW's Contemprary Resort will be inside the convention center building, since it would be a better location, I think. The convention center at WDW's Contemporary was built in 1991, 20 years after the hotel opened, with explains why the conference rooms are in the tower. Also, all rooms are inside the tower, as no exterior wings have been built, at least not yet!

Here is the floor arrangement for this hotel:

Floor 1: Lobby/Food
Floor 2 & 3: Shops & Restaurants (WDW's Contemporary has this on floors 2 & 4, with the conference rooms on floor 3)
Floor 4: Guest Rooms & Monorail Station
Floor 5-12, 14: Guest Rooms
Floor 15: Not sure. WDW's has California Grill, but I will probably have something different. I am seriously considering a new, up-to-date version of Top of the World for the top floor, it this would work today!

On the 3rd floor, Chef Mickey's offers character dining every day at Breakfast and Dinner. Characters include Mickey, Minnie, Donald (at Dinner), Goofy, Pluto (at Breakfast), Chip and Dale.

Despite the fact that WDW has the Contemporary, I chose this since I always found the Contemporary to be a facinating building to look at, especially with the monorail going right though the building! There are 441 rooms inside the Contemporary; which is 48 more rooms than WDW's has inside its tower, due to the relocation and better placement of the conference rooms!

Disney's All-Stars Resort: Disney's All-Stars is similar to All-Star Movies at WDW, but focusing on the characters instead of their movies. This is our Value resort, with rooms spanning 320 square feet (as opposed to ASM's 260 square foot rooms). The All-Stars is broken up into 8 buildings, with 104 rooms in each building (shaped like a straight rectangle the same legth as WDW's All-Stars and Pop Century's inns, but missing the back wing which from WDW's inns, which give WDW's their "T" shape) on three floors, with two buildings per theme. Here is what I have for Disney's All-Stars:

1.) 101 Dalmations: even though this is the film's title, the 101 Dalmations are still the movie's main characters!
2.) Buzz & Woody's: This is the Toy Story-themed area, but the name was changed for reasons mentioned above.
3.) House of Mouse: This features the "Big 5" (Mickey, Minnie, Donald, Goofy, and Pluto); along with their frequent costars (Daisy, Scrooge McDuck, Huey, Dewey, Louie, Chip & Dale, etc.). The House of Mouse also features the Duck Pond Pool, which includes a centerpiece of Donald and other duck costars shooting water pistols into the pool, much like the Calypso Pool's centerpiece at WDW's All-Star Music! There is also a small, shallower kiddie pool next to the main one. The pool sits in the middle of the cluster of motel buildings, with the main building at one end, and room for expansion at the other end of the complex.

4.) Pooh Corner: which features Winnie the Pooh, Tigger, Piglet, Eeyore, et. al.

Disney's All-Stars has a total of 832 rooms, with room for building more inns whenever the time comes for expansion. The All-Stars Hall is the main building; which houses the offices, food court, snack bar, and lounge/bar.

Disneyland Campground: Similar to Fort Wilderness at WDW, Disneyland Campground consists of 207 campsites, along with 108 cabins. This gives us a total of 315 "rooms", for lack of a better term!


The 4 hotels and the campground give us a Grand Total of 2,690 rooms/cabins/campsites combined; slightly more rooms than Disneyland's hotels in Anaheim, CA, but only about 1/12 the 30,000 rooms/cabins/campsites WDW offers within its numerous resorts! Nevertheless, I think what I came up with for a new Disney theme park resort is sufficient. If anyone has questions, comments, and/or suggestions, please feel free to post!

[KentB3]

I just made a few more revisions to my list of hotels for my proposed Disney theme park resort as of opening day. For one thing, I discovered upon reading a map of WDW's Contemporary on AllEarsNet.com, access to the convention center there comes from the 2nd floor and was created out of former conference room space (all of my conference rooms here are in the convention center building, like the Grand Flordian's). Since I obviously didn't have a conference room floor since the convention center in my Contempary was build at the same time as the hotel (instead of 20 years later like WDW's), I would be losing shop/restaurant/atheltic club space on the 2nd floor. Therefore, I lengthened the Contemporary 1 window pane length longer; giving mine 13 window lengths as opposed to WDW's 12-- which is about the most I could lengthen the Contemporary tower without distorting the shape of the building.

Also, I noticed the All-Stars buildings (mine) would look empty on the back with a blank wall on the back behind the character sculptures in the middle of the inns. While reading both the official and unofficial guides to WDW last night when I was doing some trip-planning, I noticed something I never could've imagined. Even though WDW's All-Star (Music, Movies, and Sports) and Pop Century's motel room buildings are the exact same shape, Pop Century's inns are smaller; All-Star M/M/S have 192 rooms per building (5,760 in 30 buildings), while Pop Century's have only 144 (2,880 in 20 buildings). In addition, both AS and PC have 260 sq. ft. rooms, so Pop Century's Inn definitely are shorter in length.

As for adding the extra rooms, I also took into account the fact that in addition to its own hotels, Disneyland Resort (Anaheim) has over 20 hotels/motels just across the street from the park(s) on Harbor Blvd. alone. I certainly planned NOT to have any busy streets like this directly adjacent to my theme parks!

Once again, my Disney theme park resort has four hotels plus a campground. Three of these hotels run in the Deluxe to Moderate price range ($133+ per night), while the 4th is a Value-priced resort ($77-$124 per night). These hotels are listed in order from most expensive/luxurious to least. Here is what I have so far:

Disneyland Hotel: This is the crown jewel of the hotels in my proposed Disney theme park resort. The architecture is very much like that of the Grand Floridian, but the layout is more like that of Disneyland's Grand Californian, with all rooms in one building and six floors instead the Grand Floridian's and the Grand Californian's (I think) five. The Disneyland Hotel also includes the Neverland Pool, based on the Disney animated movie Peter Pan (1953) -- similar to the pool at the Disneyland (Anaheim) Hotel, but larger to accomodate more guests. There are 600 rooms inside the Disneyland Hotel, which overlooks the Magic Kingdom theme park.

Disney's Hollywood Hotel: This hotel overlooks the Disney Studios theme park, and has a Hollywood theme to it, with somewhat of a Disney focus. The Hollywood Hotel is quite similar to the Hollywood Hotel in the soon-to-open Hong Kong theme park, especially with it's Art Deco/Hollywood themed architecture but may include a few differences as well. There are 502 rooms inside Disney's Hollywood Hotel, the same number as Disneyland's Paradise Pier Hotel.

Here is a pic of Hong Kong's Hollywood Hotel, which I was going to incoporate
the arcitectural feaures of into mine, just with a somewhat different building layout!: http://hongkongdisneyland.com/eng/pr...tel_pop06.html


Disney's Contemporary Resort: Overlooking the Discoveryland side of the Magic Kingdom, the Contemporary Resort is similar to its WDW counterpart, but with numerous differences as well. In addition to many different shops and restaurants, the conference rooms on the 3rd floor of WDW's Contemprary Resort will be inside the convention center building, since it would be a better location, I think. The convention center at WDW's Contemporary was built in 1991, 20 years after the hotel opened, with explains why the conference rooms are in the tower. Also, all rooms are inside the tower, as no exterior wings have been built, at least not yet!

Also, the tower building will be widened one window-pane length (with 2 hotel rooms behind each pane), giving mine 13 window-pane lengths instead of WDW's 12; which is also equal to the number of floors (since there is no floor 13 and the 15th is completely separate from the rest of the building's shape and structure). This was done to create access to the Convention Center without taking retail space from the 2nd floor.

Here is the floor arrangement for this hotel:

Floor 1: Lobby/Food
Floor 2: Shops, Restaurants, Health/Atheltic Club, plus access to the Convention Center
Floor 3: Shops & Restaurants (WDW's Contemporary has this on floors 4, with the conference rooms on floor 3)
Floor 4: Guest Rooms & Monorail Station
Floor 5-12, 14: Guest Rooms
Floor 15: Not sure. WDW's has California Grill, but I will probably have something different. I am seriously considering a new, up-to-date version of Top of the World for the top floor, it this would work today!

On the 3rd floor, Chef Mickey's offers character dining every day at Breakfast and Dinner. Characters include Mickey, Minnie, Donald (at Dinner), Goofy, Pluto (at Breakfast), Chip and Dale.

Despite the fact that WDW has the Contemporary, I chose this since I always found the Contemporary to be a facinating building to look at, especially with the monorail going right though the building! There are 476 rooms inside the Contemporary; which is 83 more rooms than WDW's has inside its tower, due to the (slight) extra width and the relocation and better placement of the conference rooms!

Disney's All-Stars Resort: Disney's All-Stars is similar to All-Star Movies at WDW, but focusing on the characters instead of their movies. This is our Value resort, with rooms spanning 320 square feet (as opposed to ASM's 260 square foot rooms). The All-Stars is broken up into 8 buildings, with 126 rooms in each "T shaped" building (like WDW's All-Stars and Pop Century's inns) on three floors, with two buildings per theme. The guest room buildings are a little longer than Pop Century's, but shorter than WDW's All-Star inns. Here is what I have for Disney's All-Stars:

1.) 101 Dalmations: even though this is the film's title, the 101 Dalmations are still the movie's main characters!
2.) Buzz & Woody's: This is the Toy Story-themed area, but the name was changed for reasons mentioned above.
3.) House of Mouse: This features the "Big 5" (Mickey, Minnie, Donald, Goofy, and Pluto); along with their frequent costars (Daisy, Scrooge McDuck, Huey, Dewey, Louie, Chip & Dale, etc.). The House of Mouse also features the Duck Pond Pool, which includes a centerpiece of Donald and other duck costars shooting water pistols into the pool, much like the Calypso Pool's centerpiece at WDW's All-Star Music! There is also a small, shallower kiddie pool next to the main one. The pool sits in the middle of the cluster of motel buildings, with the main building at one end, and room for expansion at the other end of the complex.

4.) Pooh Corner: which features Winnie the Pooh, Tigger, Piglet, Eeyore, et. al.

Disney's All-Stars has a total of 1,008 rooms (slightly over half the number as each of WDW's 3 All-Star resorts), with room for building more inns whenever the time comes for expansion! The All-Stars Hall is the main building; which houses the offices, food court, snack bar, and lounge/bar.

Disneyland Campground: Similar to Fort Wilderness at WDW, Disneyland Campground consists of 207 campsites, along with 108 cabins. This gives us a total of 315 "rooms", for lack of a better term!

The 4 hotels and the campground give us a Grand Total of 2,901 rooms/cabins/campsites combined; a bit more rooms than Disneyland's hotels in Anaheim, CA, but only about 1/10-1/11 the 30,000 rooms/cabins/campsites WDW offers within its numerous resorts! Nevertheless, I think what I came up with for a new Disney theme park resort is sufficient. If anyone has questions, comments, and/or suggestions, please feel free to post!

[BigPigletFan]

Wow! That's great Kent. That involves a lot of thought and it's amazing you have created so much without being there.

I'm all for the Minnesota idea too. I wonder if that would happen? I would still LOVE to go to DL, but would I want to work there or DL? That would be a hard choice...

[KentB3]

I made even more revisions to my list of hotels for my proposed Disney theme park resort as of opening day. Earlier, I planned a similar number of hotel rooms to Disneyland Resort in Anaheim, but upon further research, I found out that number of hotel rooms was not directly compatible since over 20 non-Disney hotels/motels are on Harbor Blvd. alone, just across the street from Disneyland Resort; and I CERTAINLY didn't not plan for a busy street like Harbor Blvd. to run across from my parks!

Once again, my Disney theme park resort's includes four hotels plus a campground. Three of these hotels run in the Deluxe to Moderate price range ($133+ per night), while the 4th is a Value-priced resort ($77-$124 per night). These hotels are listed in order from most expensive/luxurious to least. Here is what I have so far:

Disneyland Hotel: This is the crown jewel of the hotels in my proposed Disney theme park resort. The architecture is very much like that of the Grand Floridian, but the layout is more like that of Disneyland's Grand Californian, with all rooms in one building and six floors instead the Grand Floridian's and the Grand Californian's (I think) five. A standard guest room spans 455 square feet, slightly larger than those at the than the Grand Floridian; but there are also larger rooms and suites avaliable as well. The Disneyland Hotel also includes the Neverland Pool, based on the Disney animated movie Peter Pan (1953) -- similar to the pool at the Disneyland (Anaheim) Hotel, but larger to accomodate more guests. There are 751 rooms inside the Disneyland Hotel (the same number of rooms as the Grand Californian), which overlooks the Magic Kingdom theme park.

Disney's Hollywood Hotel: This hotel overlooks the Disney Studios theme park, and has a Hollywood theme to it, with somewhat of a Disney focus. The Hollywood Hotel is quite similar to the Hollywood Hotel in the soon-to-open Hong Kong theme park, but may include a few differences as well. There are 600 rooms inside Disney's Hollywood Hotel, the same number of rooms as its Hong Kong Disneyland counterpart.

Here is a pic. of the Hollywood Hotel at the soon-to-open Hong Kong Disneyland theme park: http://hongkongdisneyland.com/eng/pr...tel_pop06.html

Disney's Contemporary Resort: Overlooking the Discoveryland side of the Magic Kingdom, the Contemporary Resort is similar to its WDW counterpart, but with numerous differences as well. In addition to many different shops and restaurants, the conference rooms on the 3rd floor of WDW's Contemprary Resort will be inside the convention center building, since it would be a better location, I think. The convention center at WDW's Contemporary was built in 1991, 20 years after the hotel opened, with explains why the conference rooms are in the tower. Also, the building will be two window pane lengths longer than WDW's Contemporary tower (14 as opposed to WDW's 12), and all rooms are inside the tower, as no exterior wings have been built, at least not yet!

Here is the floor arrangement for this hotel:

Floor 1: Lobby/Food
Floor 2 & 3: Shops & Restaurants (WDW's Contemporary has this on floors 2 & 4, with the conference rooms on floor 3)
Floor 4: Guest Rooms & Monorail Station
Floor 5-12, 14: Guest Rooms
Floor 15: Not sure. WDW's has California Grill, but I will probably have something different. I am seriously considering a new, up-to-date version of Top of the World for the top floor, it this would work today!

On the 3rd floor, Chef Mickey's offers character dining every day at Breakfast and Dinner. Characters include Mickey, Minnie, Donald (at Dinner), Goofy, Pluto (at Breakfast), Chip and Dale.

Despite the fact that WDW has the Contemporary, I chose this since I always found the Contemporary to be a facinating building to look at, especially with the monorail going right though the building! There are 512 rooms inside the Contemporary; which is 119 more rooms than WDW's has inside its tower, due to the elongation of the tower building and the relocation and better placement of the conference rooms!

Disney's All-Stars Resort: Disney's All-Stars is similar to All-Star Movies at WDW, but focusing on the characters instead of their movies. This is our Value resort, with rooms spanning 320 square feet (as opposed to ASM's 260 square foot rooms). The All-Stars is broken up into 12 buildings, with 108 rooms in each building on three floors (in a T-shaped building like WDW's All-Star and Pop Century resorts), broken up into two or three buildings per theme. Here is what I have for Disney's All-Stars:

1.) 101 Dalmations: even though this is the film's title, the 101 Dalmations are still the movie's main characters! There are 2 inns, or guest room buildings, for 101 Dalmations.
2.) Buzz & Woody's: This is the Toy Story-themed area, but the name was changed for reasons mentioned above. Buzz & Woody's has 2 guest room buildings as well.
3.) House of Mouse: This features the "Big 5" (Mickey, Minnie, Donald, Goofy, and Pluto); along with their frequent costars (Daisy, Scrooge McDuck, Huey, Dewey, Louie, Chip & Dale, etc.). The House of Mouse also features the Duck Pond Pool, which includes a centerpiece of Donald and other duck costars shooting water pistols into the pool, much like the Calypso Pool's centerpiece at WDW's All-Star Music! There is also a small, shallower kiddie pool next to the main one. The House of Mouse consists of 3 inns, or guest room buildings, since guests (especially kids) would really want to stay in the motel rooms themed to Mickey and the gang, at least more so than the others!

4.) The Little Mermaid: once again, The Little Mermaid is the movie's main character, so the name of these inns refer to her as well. The Little Mermaid area also features our second pool, the Mermaid Lagoon; which also includes a small, shallower kiddie pool next to the main one as well! The Little Mermaid has 2 guest room buildings. I chose The Little Mermaid for my 5th set of All-Stars inns, since I needed another swimming pool and The Little Mermaid would fit the theming of the 2nd pool quite well!

5.) Pooh Corner: which features Winnie the Pooh, Tigger, Piglet, Eeyore, et. al. Pooh Corner has 3 guest room buildings, to help even out the number of inns, or guest room buildings to a even number, and also since Pooh and the gang have a huge following as well!

Disney's All-Stars has a total of 1,296 rooms, with room for building more inns whenever the time comes for expansion. The All-Stars Hall is the main building; which houses the offices, food court, snack bar, and lounge/bar.


Disneyland Campground: Similar to Fort Wilderness at WDW, Disneyland Campground consists of 221 campsites, along with 120 cabins. This gives us a total of 341 "rooms", for lack of a better term!


The 4 hotels and the campground give us a Grand Total of 3,500 rooms/cabins/campsites combined; about 1,000 more rooms than Disneyland's hotels in Anaheim, CA (not including the numerous neighboring non-Disney hotels/motels), but only about 1/8-1/9 the 30,000 rooms/cabins/campsites WDW offers within its numerous resorts! Nevertheless, I think what I came up with for a new Disney theme park resort is sufficient. If anyone has questions, comments, and/or suggestions, please feel free to post!

[KentB3]

I've made another revision to my list of hotels for my proposed Disney theme park resort as of opening day. Turns out I miscauculated the number of rooms at Pop Century-- the 2,880 rooms was only for the 10 resorts currently open (50's through 90's), and that the 00's through '40's inns have yet to open. Therefore, each building has 288 rooms, and is in fact longer than All-Star's inns. As a result, my value resort's motel buildings came out undersized, so I needed to correct that situation while maintaining the number of rooms in my theme park resort at 3,500.

Once again, my Disney theme park resort's includes four hotels plus a campground. Three of these hotels run in the Deluxe to Moderate price range ($133+ per night), while the 4th is a Value-priced resort ($77-$124 per night). These hotels are listed in order from most expensive/luxurious to least. Here is what I have so far:

Disneyland Hotel: This is the crown jewel of the hotels in my proposed Disney theme park resort. The architecture is very much like that of the Grand Floridian, but the layout is more like that of Disneyland's Grand Californian, with all rooms in one building and six floors instead the Grand Floridian's and the Grand Californian's (I think) five. A standard guest room spans 455 square feet, slightly larger than the standard guest rooms in the Grand Floridian; but there are also larger rooms and suites avaliable as well. The Disneyland Hotel also includes the Neverland Pool, based on the Disney animated movie Peter Pan (1953) -- similar to the pool at the Disneyland (Anaheim) Hotel, but larger to accomodate more guests. There are 751 rooms inside the Disneyland Hotel (the same number of rooms as the Grand Californian), which overlooks the Magic Kingdom theme park.

Disney's Hollywood Hotel: This hotel overlooks the Disney Studios theme park, and has a Hollywood theme to it, with somewhat of a Disney focus. The Hollywood Hotel is quite similar to the Hollywood Hotel in the soon-to-open Hong Kong theme park, but may include a few differences as well. There are 600 rooms inside Disney's Hollywood Hotel, the same number of rooms as its Hong Kong Disneyland counterpart.

Here is a pic. of the Hollywood Hotel at the soon-to-open Hong Kong Disneyland theme park: http://hongkongdisneyland.com/eng/pr...tel_pop06.html

Disney's Contemporary Resort: Overlooking the Discoveryland side of the Magic Kingdom, the Contemporary Resort is similar to its WDW counterpart, but with numerous differences as well. In addition to many different shops and restaurants, the conference rooms on the 3rd floor of WDW's Contemprary Resort will be inside the convention center building, since it would be a better location, I think. The convention center at WDW's Contemporary was built in 1991, 20 years after the hotel opened, with explains why the conference rooms are in the tower. Also, the building will be two window pane lengths longer than WDW's Contemporary tower (14 as opposed to WDW's 12), and all rooms are inside the tower, as no exterior wings have been built, at least not yet!

Here is the floor arrangement for this hotel:

Floor 1: Lobby/Food
Floor 2 & 3: Shops & Restaurants (WDW's Contemporary has this on floors 2 & 4, with the conference rooms on floor 3)
Floor 4: Guest Rooms & Monorail Station
Floor 5-12, 14: Guest Rooms
Floor 15: Not sure. WDW's has California Grill, but I will probably have something different. I am seriously considering a new, up-to-date version of Top of the World for the top floor, it this would work today!

On the 3rd floor, Chef Mickey's offers character dining every day at Breakfast and Dinner. Characters include Mickey, Minnie, Donald (at Dinner), Goofy, Pluto (at Breakfast), Chip and Dale.

Despite the fact that WDW has the Contemporary, I chose this since I always found the Contemporary to be a facinating building to look at, especially with the monorail going right though the building! There are 512 rooms inside the Contemporary; which is 119 more rooms than WDW's has inside its tower, due to the elongation of the tower building and the relocation and better placement of the conference rooms!

Disney's All-Stars Resort: Disney's All-Stars is similar to All-Star Movies at WDW, but focusing on the characters instead of their movies. This is our Value resort, with rooms spanning 320 square feet (as opposed to ASM's 260 square foot rooms). The All-Stars is broken up into 10 buildings, with 132 rooms in each building on three floors (in a T-shaped building like WDW's All-Star and Pop Century resorts), broken up into two buildings per theme.The two wings in the front of each motel building, sitting side-by-side, have 16 rooms per floor on three floors, while the back wing has 12 rooms per floor on three floors. Here is what I have for Disney's All-Stars:

1.) 101 Dalmations: even though this is the film's title, the 101 Dalmations are still the movie's main characters!
2.) Buzz & Woody's: This is the Toy Story-themed area, but the name was changed for reasons mentioned above.
3.) House of Mouse: This features the "Big 5" (Mickey, Minnie, Donald, Goofy, and Pluto); along with their frequent costars (Daisy, Scrooge McDuck, Huey, Dewey, Louie, Chip & Dale, etc.). The House of Mouse also features the Duck Pond Pool, which includes a centerpiece of Donald and other duck costars shooting water pistols into the pool, much like the Calypso Pool's centerpiece at WDW's All-Star Music! There is also a small, shallower kiddie pool next to the main one.

4.) The Little Mermaid: once again, The Little Mermaid is the movie's main character, so the name of these inns refer to her as well. The Little Mermaid area also features our second pool, the Mermaid Lagoon; which also includes a small, shallower kiddie pool next to the main one as well! I chose The Little Mermaid for my 5th set of All-Stars inns, since I needed another swimming pool and The Little Mermaid would fit the theming of the 2nd pool quite well!

5.) Pooh Corner: which features Winnie the Pooh, Tigger, Piglet, Eeyore, et. al.

Disney's All-Stars has a total of 1,320 rooms, with room for building more inns whenever the time comes for expansion. The All-Stars Hall is the main building; which houses the offices, food court, snack bar, and lounge/bar.

Disneyland Campground: Similar to Fort Wilderness at WDW, Disneyland Campground consists of 207 campsites, along with 110 cabins. This gives us a total of 317 "rooms", for lack of a better term!


The 4 hotels and the campground give us a Grand Total of 3,500 rooms/cabins/campsites combined; about 1,000 more rooms than Disneyland's hotels in Anaheim, CA (not including the numerous neighboring non-Disney hotels/motels), but only about 1/8-1/9 the 30,000 rooms/cabins/campsites WDW offers within its numerous resorts! Nevertheless, I think what I came up with for a new Disney theme park resort is sufficient. If anyone has questions, comments, and/or suggestions, please feel free to post!