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    Thumbs down Accupuncture: It's not supposed to hurt this bad, right?

    I had accupuncture (for back problems) for the first time last week. It hurt. Bad. But I felt kind of good afterwards. That lasted a whole day, and then I was back to my normal achey self. I went back for another appointment yesterday, and it hurt again. This time a little bit worse. This morning I wake up and my entire lower back feels stiff and horrible. I'm used to this feeling, mind you, but it seems a little exaggerated today.

    Suffice it to say...yeah. I don't think accupuncture is for me.

    Have any of you ever had accupuncture? What for? And did it work out for you? Did it make you feel any better?

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    Re: Accupuncture: It's not supposed to hurt this bad, right?

    i would recomend going to a real doctor for back pain... or advil , acupuncture falls along the lines of Feng Shui

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    Re: Accupuncture: It's not supposed to hurt this bad, right?

    Quote Originally Posted by GrimmGreen View Post
    i would recomend going to a real doctor for back pain... or advil , acupuncture falls along the lines of Feng Shui
    Not really. For many people, it works. And there is now plenty of university research to back this up. It's not a placebo effect at all.

    Acupuncture works, if the practitioner is doing it correctly, and if you don't have another medical condition complicating the situation. Sounds as though you might have fibromyalgia/myofasical pain syndrome (FMS/MPS), which often doesn't respond well to traditional acupuncture. Unfortunately, the overwhelming majority of doctors have no clue about FMS/MPS and its care and management.

    Acupuncture sites are very close to the "trigger points" (TP) found in FMS/MPS, but not exactly the same location. For that reason, many FMS/MPS patients get worse with acupuncture, not better (count me in this group). Introducing a thin, slim needle into a trigger point often "short circuits" the pain, but the needle has to be right spot on the TP. If not, you can make the muscle spasm worse. There's the rub.

    If you can find a doctor who treats FMS/MPS, especially one who knows how to deal with trigger points either through massage and myofascial release (that's what I do) or trigger point injections, you'll definitely feel better. Otherwise, the pain cycle will continue and possibly worsen.

    When seeking out practitioners, ask them if they're familiar with the research of Dr. Janet Travell and Dr. David Simons. If they aren't, move on and find someone who is. Travell and Simons wrote the book (literally) on trigger points and MPS.

    If your pain stems from this condition as it does for me, then treating the fibromyalgia and the mysofascial pain is what brings relief. And that takes practitioners who know what they're doing.
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    Re: Accupuncture: It's not supposed to hurt this bad, right?

    Acupuncture works for some, it doesn't work for others. Let's just keep it at that.

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    Re: Accupuncture: It's not supposed to hurt this bad, right?

    My husband had acupuncture a long time ago for his migraines.

    He had six sessions. The first four, he wasn't noticing any difference (but no pain from the session itself) and was beginning to wonder what he was paying for.

    The fifth session came and went. That night, he was sitting quietly due to yet another migraine. He literally heard a pop, and the pain was gone. He called the acupuncturist the next day and he said, "Oooh good! One more session for you!"

    He went in for the last session and that was it.

    He's had a few "minor" migraines - they weren't as debilitating as before. But overall, he's been pleased with the results.

    The sessions were about 8 years ago or so.
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    Re: Accupuncture: It's not supposed to hurt this bad, right?

    Quote Originally Posted by BlueSkyDriveBy View Post
    Not really. For many people, it works. And there is now plenty of university research to back this up. It's not a placebo effect at all.

    Acupuncture works, if the practitioner is doing it correctly, and if you don't have another medical condition complicating the situation. Sounds as though you might have fibromyalgia/myofasical pain syndrome (FMS/MPS), which often doesn't respond well to traditional acupuncture. Unfortunately, the overwhelming majority of doctors have no clue about FMS/MPS and its care and management.

    Acupuncture sites are very close to the "trigger points" (TP) found in FMS/MPS, but not exactly the same location. For that reason, many FMS/MPS patients get worse with acupuncture, not better (count me in this group). Introducing a thin, slim needle into a trigger point often "short circuits" the pain, but the needle has to be right spot on the TP. If not, you can make the muscle spasm worse. There's the rub.

    If you can find a doctor who treats FMS/MPS, especially one who knows how to deal with trigger points either through massage and myofascial release (that's what I do) or trigger point injections, you'll definitely feel better. Otherwise, the pain cycle will continue and possibly worsen.

    When seeking out practitioners, ask them if they're familiar with the research of Dr. Janet Travell and Dr. David Simons. If they aren't, move on and find someone who is. Travell and Simons wrote the book (literally) on trigger points and MPS.

    If your pain stems from this condition as it does for me, then treating the fibromyalgia and the mysofascial pain is what brings relief. And that takes practitioners who know what they're doing.
    well... without getting into a big thing here.... ( i feel my popularity already dwindling ) Felix Mann , the founder and once president of the Medical Acupuncture Society for over 20 years said in his new book "The traditional acupuncture points are no more real than the black spots a drunkard sees in front of his eyes."

    acupuncture is nothing more than pseudoscience and Chinese "doctors" even maintain that "chi" is merely a metaphor for physiological abstraction

    if you belive that eating dirt cures your hiccups , and occasionally after you eat dirt your hiccups are gone does not mean that the dirt cured your hiccups

    there have been many many many studies done on acupuncture and all they have found is that it leads to nerve injuries , strokes , muscle damage , and kidney damage.

    Go to a real doctor or a physical therapist who can help you

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    Re: Accupuncture: It's not supposed to hurt this bad, right?

    Quote Originally Posted by GrimmGreen View Post
    Go to a real doctor or a physical therapist who can help you
    May help you.

    Depending on the condition, doctors and Physical Therapist's are often "stuck" as to what to do for you.

    I have tendinitis in my right wrist. I saw a PT for quite some time. One of the treatments she used on me caused a massive outbreak on my arm. No one in the entire facility had ever seen, or heard, of a reaction like mine. People would come over when I'd come back for more therapy to see how my arm was.

    It took weeks for the reaction to go away.

    I went to the ortho who prescribed the pt - she was dumbfounded and, again, no one in the entire facility had seen or heard of such a case.

    It finally went away and I have a sneaky suspicion as to what it is, but it's never been confirmed.

    And I still have the tendinitis with moderate pain. I rarely have a pain free day, hour, minute.

    So, doctors and physical therapists know a great deal, but they can't solve/treat everything - just like acupuncturists can't. Don't make the mistake of thinking they're not humans and infallible.
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    Re: Accupuncture: It's not supposed to hurt this bad, right?

    Where did you get your treatment done?

    My husband threw out his lower back and his treatment was done on his hand. By the third treatment, he was better. It really worked for him.

    My friend started ovulating after a series of accupuncture, and had a baby. Which was a miracle.

    I'm a believer.

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    Re: Accupuncture: It's not supposed to hurt this bad, right?

    Quote Originally Posted by TraceCub View Post

    So, doctors and physical therapists know a great deal, but they can't solve/treat everything - just like acupuncturists can't. Don't make the mistake of thinking they're not humans and infallible.
    right clearly they are only human , but the main difference is doctors and physical therapists use established medical science to understand and treat medical conditions. If they are uncertain they will never prescribe you unnecessary medicine and they will certainly never stick pins in your back to block the bad "chi" that is causing your pain , medical practice is not flawless and like all science is constantly growing and learning more and more.

    Such is why doctors often want a "second opinion" , they want the best most capable person treating you

    anything i say, or argue with be it ghosts or acupuncture i only do for the good of society and human kind as a whole , i think we should be helping each other and not scamming each other. Telling someone you can talk to their dead mother when you clearly cant is wrong and evil , and telling someone that putting needles in their body will cure their back pain when it clearly doesn't is just as wrong and evil

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    Re: Accupuncture: It's not supposed to hurt this bad, right?

    Yeah. Doctors never prescribe unnecessary medicine.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/world_of_...EKEtIx45vVJRIF


    WASHINGTON - Retail sales of five leading painkillers nearly doubled from 1997 to 2005, reflecting a surge in use by patients nationwide who are living in a world of pain, according to a new Associated Press analysis of federal drug prescription data.

    The analysis reveals that oxycodone usage is migrating out of Appalachia to areas such as Columbus, Ohio, and Fort Lauderdale, Fla., and significant numbers of codeine users are living in many suburban neighborhoods around the country.

    The amount of five major painkillers sold at retail establishments rose 90 percent between 1997 and 2005, according to Drug Enforcement Administration figures.

    More than 200,000 pounds of codeine, morphine, oxycodone, hydrocodone and meperidine were purchased at retail stores during 2005, the most recent year represented in the data. That is enough to give more than 300 milligrams of painkillers to every person in the country.

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    Re: Accupuncture: It's not supposed to hurt this bad, right?

    Quote Originally Posted by GrimmGreen View Post
    anything i say, or argue with be it ghosts or acupuncture i only do for the good of society and human kind as a whole , i think we should be helping each other and not scamming each other. Telling someone you can talk to their dead mother when you clearly cant is wrong and evil , and telling someone that putting needles in their body will cure their back pain when it clearly doesn't is just as wrong and evil
    But haven't other people in this thread stated that having acupuncture has lessened if not eliminated their pain? Would you dismiss all of them as being "in their head?"

    I find it difficult to take your opinion when you have clearly judged and tried any alternatives to today's standards of medicine instead of having an open mind about the situation.

    I've never had acupuncture, but I have been to a chiropractor, I believe in it, it's not standard medicine to some people but by golly when I leave my appointment I feel a million times better than when I went in there.

    I find it difficult that we can't grow as humans unless we try other forms of treatments for our bodies, limiting ourselves to standardized medicine to me doesn't really leave room for growth.

    And while I respect your opinion, because a lot of people feel that way about any alternative methods, I can't help but think your missing out on somethings that might actually help you.

    It's easy to frown upon something different and new, as with anything, there will always be some bad experiences, its just a matter of determining what works for you or your family but don't put others down because they have found something that works for them.

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    Re: Accupuncture: It's not supposed to hurt this bad, right?

    One of the problems is that with back pain, often traditional medicine can't help. They can give you pain medicine, but those don't solve the problem, only mask it. If it's spasms, they can give muscle relaxers, but that's about it a lot of the time. Back pain is such a ... I don't want to say vague thing, but it's really not something that shows on a scan. So they can't find out what's wrong, and they can't fix it.

    Sometimes accupuncture can. Or chiropractic. I've had some amazing results sometimes with my chiropractor. She's awesome. Sometimes just being believed will draw attention to something and your body will fix itself. Who knows? Some things work for some people and it's hard to say just why.
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    Re: Accupuncture: It's not supposed to hurt this bad, right?

    I drank green tea once and 12 weeks later my broken leg was better.



    Go see a real doctor.
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    Re: Accupuncture: It's not supposed to hurt this bad, right?

    Quote Originally Posted by GrimmGreen View Post
    If they are uncertain they will never prescribe you unnecessary medicine and they will certainly never stick pins in your back to block the bad "chi" that is causing your pain
    You want to see all the unnecessary pain killers I have that *don't* work? I have five different types, all of which I was instructed to stop taking because I wasn't getting any relief. I also have two different types of prescription strength pain relieving ointment that doesn't work either.

    Oh, and you talk about pins. What about the treatment that gave me the reaction I described in my earlier post? That was electrodes attached to my skin that sent electricity through the muscle tissue of my whole arm. Not to mention the device used to test for carpal tunnel. It is actually described as, "Like accupuncture" by the doctors who administer it. Watching my thumb dance of its own volition, instead of my own, was one of the weirdest experiences of my life.

    It's a shame that acupuncture is illegal, or at least hard to get a license for (I can't determine which it is) in Georgia If and when we move back west, I will be seeing an acupuncturist to see if there's anything that can be done for my wrist.

    Such is why doctors often want a "second opinion" , they want the best most capable person treating you
    The only time I've gone out of a doctor's office and directly into another was when a general practictioner sent me to a specialist - never has a doctor or the insurance companies I've used wanted a second opinion. I've wanted one, but not them.

    anything i say, or argue with be it ghosts or acupuncture i only do for the good of society and human kind as a whole , i think we should be helping each other and not scamming each other. Telling someone you can talk to their dead mother when you clearly cant is wrong and evil , and telling someone that putting needles in their body will cure their back pain when it clearly doesn't is just as wrong and evil
    No one is scamming anyone here. None of us have said, "Docs are bogus, definitely keep going to the acupuncturist!" We shared our experiences with accunpuncture, because that is exactly what the OP wanted.

    I never once said acunpuncture would cure the sufferer of her back pain. I said it helped my husband. If that's evil, then I'm Satan's wife.

    Besides, I don't see what ghosts have to do with this.

    Quote Originally Posted by SummerInFL View Post
    Would you dismiss all of them as being "in their head?"
    It's funny you say that. When Bryan was very young, he absolutely idolized his pediatrician. One time he got a cold and woke up in the middle of the night, crying and yelling because of his discomfort. His mom, knowing he was not in any immediate danger and also knowing that he'd prefer to see HIS doctor, took an old medicine bottle that Bryan could see was from his doctor (I think it was an empty cough syrup bottle). She washed it out, and filled it with water and food coloring out of sight of Bryan.

    She came back into the room with the bottle and administered him the "medicine". By morning, his symptoms were gone.

    If that wasn't in his head, I don't know what is!

    It's called faith. It doesn't matter if it's religious faith or scientific faith. Doesn't matter if it's based on personal observance or professionals telling us so.

    Unfortunately, people tend to think that anything they don't understand from their own reference point (i.e. someone who believes whole heartedly in the facts they can see with their eyes or prove with the Scientific Method OR someone who believes in unexplainable things and doesn't try to understand WHY these things happen) is bad or wrong.

    It's okay to think those things. But as dangerous as it is for someone to tell someone they should try alternative medicine before seeing a doctor, it's just as harmful to say ONLY medical science will work and if a doctor can't help then tough cookies.

    I find it difficult that we can't grow as humans unless we try other forms of treatments for our bodies, limiting ourselves to standardized medicine to me doesn't really leave room for growth.
    Otherwise, some of us would still be walking around with leeches attached to our necks.

    And while I respect your opinion, because a lot of people feel that way about any alternative methods, I can't help but think your missing out on somethings that might actually help you.
    I think it's one thing to not want to personally partake in something. It's a completely other thing to call something you don't want to partake in "evil".
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    Re: Accupuncture: It's not supposed to hurt this bad, right?

    Well, to throw in one study...

    http://www.cochrane.org/reviews/en/ab001351.html

    It does state that the group was too small for a conclusive study, however:

    For chronic low-back pain, acupuncture is more effective for pain relief and functional improvement than no treatment or sham treatment immediately after treatment and in the short-term only. Acupuncture is not more effective than other conventional and "alternative" treatments. The data suggest that acupuncture and dry-needling may be useful adjuncts to other therapies for chronic low-back pain.

    So, based on this study, acute back pain is useless, but chronic will help VERY slightly. But not really that much. Looks like they're not quite recommending acupuncture exclusively yet as a higher quality trial is needed for further study.

    There are points in the body that can do good for another portion of the body. For example, if you have hiccups and you squeeze the right part of your tongue and pull slightly, it will stimulate a nerve leading to the diaphragm and cause the hiccups to cease. It works to some degree every time.
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