Should Disneyland Resort Reduce lighting for Earth Hour tonight?

[TP2000]

Originally Posted by disneylanddad

I'm going to turn on all my lights and my A/C, Time to flex my power!

I'm doing the same thing. I just turned on everything I got, and now I'm going to go run an errand and I'll leave it all on.

I'm not against conservation to strengthen our nation against the crackpots that sell us much of our oil, but a gimmick like this thing tonight to shove the failing myth of Man Made Global Warming down our throats is ridiculous.

And of course Disneyland won't be joining in. Neither will Angel Stadium, or all of the other enetrainment venues on a Saturday night who rely on Date Night crowds to pay their bills. This Earth Hour thing is just silly.

[k_peek_2000]

Originally Posted by Disney Analyst

You do realize your facts are completely wrong.

Let's look at some facts, shall we?

Let's look at a high concentrated area, San Diego. Might I ask that you please click the link and take a look at the average temperatures from 1914 to 2006.

http://www.wrcc.dri.edu/cgi-bin/cliMONtavt.pl?casand

Notice anything weird? There is no global warming. In 1914 the average temp in January is 56, and in 2006 the average temperature is 57. Okay maybe the temperature hasn't been decreasing like I stated, but it sure as hell hasn't been increasing like what everybody thinks.

[GothicManor]

Hi Earth Hour 2008 is upon us from 8pm to 9pm pst. http://www.earthhourus.org/

I have been reading your comments and I find them very interesting.

This is a symbolic gesture, a way for the individual to say "I am concerned about these issues"
http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/asiapc....ap/index.html

As for those that think Climate change is a myth consider the following information:

A ice shelf in the Antarctic 9 times the size of manhattan broke off a few days ago:

http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/science....ap/index.html

http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/Glo...ory?id=3582433

In the summer of 2007 50% of all Arctic ice melted:

http://www.arcticmaritime.com/?actio...xt%2Findex.txt

And now it is believed that all arctic ice might disappear this summer.

Disneyland is at 145 ft above sea level


I am going to turn everything off now. :-)

[k_peek_2000]

Originally Posted by GothicManor

Hi Earth Hour 2008 is upon us from 8pm to 9pm pst. http://www.earthhourus.org/

I have been reading your comments and I find them very interesting.

This is a symbolic gesture, a way for the individual to say "I am concerned about these issues"
http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/asiapc....ap/index.html

As for those that think Climate change is a myth consider the following information:

A ice shelf in the Antarctic 9 times the size of manhattan broke off a few days ago:

http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/science....ap/index.html

http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/Glo...ory?id=3582433

In the summer of 2007 50% of all Arctic ice melted:

http://www.arcticmaritime.com/?actio...xt%2Findex.txt

And now it is believed that all arctic ice might disappear this summer.

Disneyland is at 145 ft above sea level

Where does the extra water come from that makes the sea level increase? The ice caps that are melting and breaking off into the Atlantic and Pacific were already located on the Atlantic and Pacific, so the ice that is falling into the ocean, was already in the ocean. The only way that the water level would increase is if a huge ice comet falls from space into one of the oceans.

[techskip]

Originally Posted by k_peek_2000

Where does the extra water come from that makes the sea level increase? The ice caps that are melting and breaking off into the Atlantic and Pacific were already located on the Atlantic and Pacific, so the ice that is falling into the ocean, was already in the ocean. The only way that the water level would increase is if a huge ice comet falls from space into one of the oceans.

K_peek... usually I would agree with you, and to a point I see both sides of this fence, but this argument is technically flawed. Specifically because of the fact that a lot of the Antarctic ice shelves, and some of the Arctic ice shelves were permanent. Well for sake of discussion they have been permanent for a prolonged period of time. That water therefore has been out of the ocean, out of the sea level, for a prolonged period of time. When you factor in large ice shelves melting, shelves that are extremely thick and miles long, that will raise sea levels. You also have to consider land based glaciers like Greenland which likewise have not been in the ocean for some time. In reality all water that was on this planet will be on this planet. We are not talking about the creation of more water, we are talking about the redistribution of it!

[TP2000]

Originally Posted by k_peek_2000

Let's look at a high concentrated area, San Diego. Might I ask that you please click the link and take a look at the average temperatures from 1914 to 2006.

http://www.wrcc.dri.edu/cgi-bin/cliMONtavt.pl?casand

Notice anything weird? There is no global warming. In 1914 the average temp in January is 56, and in 2006 the average temperature is 57.

Fascinating, especially that most of the temps are collected at the airport. In 1925 San Diego airport was a dirt strip surrounded by sagebrush and some wood cottages, visited by a few tiny biplanes per day. San Diego Airport is now a densely packed series of steel buildings and concrete runways and sprawling blacktop parking lots hemmed in by 40 story skyscrapers to the south and sprawling factories near MCRD to the north. The tiny biplanes have been replaced with roaring jetliners landing every five minutes. With a 12 lane freeway slicing through the middle.

When you factor in the urban heat island effect of endless concrete and steel and reflective glass, it's amazing the temperatures collected in central San Diego haven't risen by several degrees. Heck, if you use a warmer than average year like 1928, then the temperature in San Diego has cooled off compared to now.

Maybe the polar bears can move to San Diego and live in those new loft condos in Little Italy?

[I Heart Disneyland]

I'm a rebel...posting between 8 and 9 !!! I do my part daily...like Scubabe...I'm not turning mine off for an hour tonight.

[TP2000]

Neither is Disneyland. I can see both Disneyland and Angel Stadium from my deck. Both are ablaze in lights tonight in celebration of Earth Hour.

[Mojave]

Originally Posted by k_peek_2000

Let's look at some facts, shall we?

Let's look at a high concentrated area, San Diego. Might I ask that you please click the link and take a look at the average temperatures from 1914 to 2006.

http://www.wrcc.dri.edu/cgi-bin/cliMONtavt.pl?casand

Notice anything weird? There is no global warming. In 1914 the average temp in January is 56, and in 2006 the average temperature is 57. Okay maybe the temperature hasn't been decreasing like I stated, but it sure as hell hasn't been increasing like what everybody thinks.

I live in San Diego. It's interesting to watch the weather segment of the local news and see record highs for specific days routinely set in the 1920's, 30's and 40's. (Admittedly, we broke a few records last week.)

Average temperatures and record temperatures only count when they support global warming. So when we have record highs... global warming! When we have record lows... crickets.

When a heat wave in Europe kills hundreds... global warming! When a cold wave in Europe kills twice that many... crickets.

2008 was the coldest winter in the US and the world in 7 years.
http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories...3_coolest.html
... crickets.

[k_peek_2000]

Originally Posted by techskip

We are not talking about the creation of more water, we are talking about the redistribution of it!

I still don't see how that would effect the water levels, if the matter (meaning particle matter) is there in the first place, it wont effect the water levels if it is put in another place.

[neuhickman79]

Originally Posted by Disney Analyst

Wow.. I can't believe people now a days still don't believe that Globabl warming is real and taking place.. So much for saving our planet.

Seriously! These are the same people who will be blaming the government for not doing enough when it's too late! I hope there is a cold, dark place in hell for these people. Because, their complete ignorance and arrogance could be the end of all of us! Also, San Diego is the WORST example to use when talking about global warming. We're talking about a place that doesn't have much temperature variation from day-to-day! How do you expect that much variation from year-to-year! Let's look at Anchorage, Alaska!

graph from Geophysical Institute University of Alaska Fairbanks

[Leofoenget]

I thought, they had their own private power souce. (maybe WDW??) Not sure it would make a difference. It's 10pm now isnt' it over?

[Disney Analyst]

Okay Global Warming is the term used, but it doesn't mean it's only going to get hotter. Do some reasearch, it also means things are going to get colder. But again as things get colder, things will get hotter.


(National Geographic)
Average temperatures have climbed 1.4 degrees Fahrenheit (0.8 degree Celsius) around the world since 1880, much of this in recent decades, according to NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies.

• The rate of warming is increasing. The 20th century's last two decades were the hottest in 400 years and possibly the warmest for several millennia, according to a number of climate studies. And the United Nations' Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) reports that 11 of the past 12 years are among the dozen warmest since 1850.
• The Arctic is feeling the effects the most. Average temperatures in Alaska, western Canada, and eastern Russia have risen at twice the global average, according to the multinational Arctic Climate Impact Assessment report compiled between 2000 and 2004.
• Arctic ice is rapidly disappearing, and the region may have its first completely ice-free summer by 2040 or earlier. Polar bears and indigenous cultures are already suffering from the sea-ice loss.
• Glaciers and mountain snows are rapidly melting—for example, Montana's Glacier National Park now has only 27 glaciers, versus 150 in 1910. In the Northern Hemisphere, thaws also come a week earlier in spring and freezes begin a week later.
• Coral reefs, which are highly sensitive to small changes in water temperature, suffered the worst bleaching—or die-off in response to stress—ever recorded in 1998, with some areas seeing bleach rates of 70 percent. Experts expect these sorts of events to increase in frequency and intensity in the next 50 years as sea temperatures rise. • An upsurge in the amount of extreme weather events, such as wildfires, heat waves, and strong tropical storms, is also attributed in part to climate change by some experts.

http://science.nationalgeographic.co...ing|1021614685 link on what it is.


http://media.www.smithsophian.com/me...-3270350.shtml

[TP2000]

Originally Posted by neuhickman79

Let's look at Anchorage, Alaska!

graph from Geophysical Institute University of Alaska Fairbanks

I'm not sure what I'm supposed to see here in Anchorage, other than a spike in temps during the 1920's (must have been all those new Model T's), followed by big drops in the 1940's and 1970's (when the media was howling about the coming Ice Age), then sort of moderation in the 1980's and 90's.

Is there any information available for the last 13 years? The data here seems to stop around 1995.

[Disney Analyst]

The thing to look for is not each point, look at the general climb, everything is slightly angled upwards.

Aswell, to everyone, There is a Difference between temperature change, and climate change. Climate change is what we should be extremely worried about.. For one... I live in Canada and we had a relatively warm winter where I live... Thats what Global Warming is, changing climate patterns, colder elsewhere, warmer and wetter here. It also means huge extremes in Temperature differences, i.e. REALLY HOT in the summer, REALLY COLD in the winter.