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    Re: Harry Potter GoF - Reviews and Spoilers (Warning: OPEN Spoilers!)

    I think it would have been best to wait to make the movies until all the books were written. I was disappointed when I read that the director of the 3rd movie hadn't even read any of the books.

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    Re: Harry Potter GoF - Reviews and Spoilers (Warning: OPEN Spoilers!)

    I saw the film tonight and let me first start this review by saying I am a HUGE fan of the books/movies. That being said, please take that into account when I give my review.

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    Here are some of the things I thought were wrong with the movie:

    1. To rushed and thrown together, they should fire their editor.
    2. I agree with other posters, if you hadn't read the book there are parts of the movie that you just wouldn't get.
    3. The plotline was very weak in this film.
    4. I'm a fan of dark and disturbing but there is a way to do it without crossing the line into TOO dark and disturbing. The bathtub scene I think crossed the line for me. In the book it was funny, in the movie it was just....he's a teenager for crying out loud.
    5. Am I the only one that thought there was more of a suggested love interest between Harry and Hermione than Hermione and Ron? Sure you had the dance scene with Hermione telling Ron off but that's really it you know? I guess I just expected them to go into more detail with it.
    6. I really don't like how they ended the film, in the book it had more closure.

    Regardless of what I stated above I really did enjoy the film. The Quittich World Cup was beautifully done and they did a fabulous job with the underwater sequence. I do think they should have made this movie a touch bit longer to explain things a little better or even split it into two films.


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    Re: Harry Potter GoF - Reviews and Spoilers (Warning: OPEN Spoilers!)

    Quote Originally Posted by twinmom
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    But it was wrong in the book that Harry's dad came out first -- it should have been in order of the most recently killed.

    I was THRILLED that they dumped the SPEW stuff -- that was the most annoying part of the book for me.
    I was happy about that too, but at the same time it helps accentuate the Ron/Hermione love/hate relationship.
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    Re: Harry Potter GoF - Reviews and Spoilers (Warning: OPEN Spoilers!)

    Wow. This was easily the worst of the Potter films so far. My favorite one was the previous one, which made some really great use of timing and carefully crafting a plot. This one was all scattershot, and I couldn't tell if sequences were supposed to be minutes or days apart.

    The other competitors fail to make you interested in them. The Chinese girl had that director's aura of being important to the plot, but appeared for a few minutes and disappeared. Even the climax felt like it was being directed by the White Rabbit. "Hurry up already! We're late, we're late, we're late!"

    I didn't know you could have a movie this long and mess up your pacing so hard that the story feels incomplete, but they did it here.

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    Jazzman's Take

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    We saw the midnight premiere last night and had a lot of fun, but I can’t decide yet if I actually liked it or not. It had pretty high quality production values and the acting was superb throughout, which is all definitely good, but there were a few things that I just didn’t quite agree with.

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    - I continue to be amazed at how perfectly they are able to match the characters’ on-screen representations to the images I’ve created in my mind. Every time a new character is shown on-screen they look exactly the way I imagined them. Cedric, Mad Eye, Voldemort, Fleur (Ahhh, lovely, lovely Fleur) etc. And they filled their parts wonderfully. Even more than LoTR this series has been, to me, like the books come to life.

    - I have to mention how much I adore the score. It didn't change much, but I still get chills when hearing it, and the films have all succeeded greatly in using the music to enhance the scene without becoming overpowering or annoying. John William’s is truly a master of leit motif, and his Potter themes are some of his best, which is saying a lot.

    - The first task was incredible and, I feel, even surpassed the book’s version. The dragon was fantastically rendered, and the same is true of all the CG shots, such as the merpeople, Voldemort’s rebirth, etc. George Lucas should hook up with these FX artists, because this is what CG effects should bring to a film. I never had to drown in suspension of disbelief in order to “buy” the effects; they fit like perfectly matched puzzle pieces.

    - The tone of the movie also matched the book’s tone quite well, which I appreciated. The filmmaker’s could have easily toned it down and kept it aimed at kids, but they had the cajones to keep it true to the story and preserve the spirit of Rowling’s tale. The wizard world is now at the brink of war, and this chapter in the saga is where that dramatic transition begins. The innocence of “Sorcerer’s Stone” is gone, and as Harry told Hermione, things are all about to change. If this film hadn’t been as dark as it is, then the following films would either be thrown completely off by having to be lightened accordingly, or they would be made appropriately “dark” to match their respective books and the change between this film and them would be clunky and jarring.

    - Some of the most dramatic moments blew me away. Cedric’s death unfolded exactly as I think it should have. Watching Harry tearfully throw himself protectively across Cedric’s body, and then listening to the wails of despair coming from Cedric’s Dad just tore my heart out. I never expected a Potter film to bring tears, but this one made me misty a few times.

    - A huge, HUGE thumbs up to the extended screen time given to some previously neglected characters; the twins especially. They’re so much fun, and just fill the screen to overflowing whenever they appear. I loved every frame they were in. Neville was also a scene stealing gem. “I just got in! Me!” I actually let out a heartfelt cheer for him. Neville is such an endearing character, and it was fun to see him on-screen radiating that same lovableness which he has in the books.

    - The little comedic moments were so well timed that it felt like those cool summer breezes that come along on a really hot day and make you stop, smile and bask in the moment. Whether it was the ferreting of Malfoy, McGonagall’s dry quips, or anything the twins said or did, I couldn’t help but laugh out loud and not once rolled my eyes or groaned. No cheese = all good.

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    - Above all I have to bemoan the horrible casting of Dumbledore. Michael Gambon may be a fine actor, but this part is nowhere near the right one for him. I of course don’t expect anyone to step into Richard Harris’ shoes, but someone at least close would be appreciated. Harris was able to capture the essence of Dumbledore; the awesome power flowing just beneath the surface, obvious yet not overshadowing the serene calm of the kindly, sometimes goofy, old man. Gambon, however, fails in this completely, and his stomping, brooding and shouting is completely out of character for Dumbledore. When he dove into Harry, nearly strangling him, after the Goblet spit out his name I rolled my eyes nearly out of my head. Absent entirely was the fatherly concern and love fueled worry that Dumbledore exhibited in the books. Instead he just look like an old geezer throwing a fit. Lame... I remember a scene in the “Chamber of Secrets” where Dumbledore shouted “Silence!” over the heads of the students. There was such commanding authority in his voice that even the viewer sat up straighter. They tried the same trick a few times in this film and it was just grating and irritating. It reminded me of a substitute teacher trying to bring a class to order. Totally lame and ignore-able. Dumbledore is such an important character that it’s sad to see him acted so poorly. I have to wonder if “Half Blood Prince,” when it’s filmed, is going to impact anyone at all.

    - I understand that running time is a huge concern, but at 157 minutes this was not a long film by today’s standards. So much had to be cut from the book that even another fifteen minutes would have been greatly appreciated by those of us who love the books so much. As it is we lost characters like Winky, Bagman, Mrs. Weasley, the Dursleys, Percy and Peeves; plot points such as Riddle’s past and the death of his parents, the gravity of the trials, and the tragedy of Neville’s parents; and things like the Blast Ended Skrewts and the Sphinxes, among others. If anything, the huge success of films like the extended LoTR editions show that audiences, if the story is compelling and beloved, will watch for hours and still want more. If the Potter saga isn’t compelling and beloved, I don’t know what is. Hopefully they’ll open up “Order of the Phoenix” enough to really give us what we want. It will be a huge success of they do.

    - Following on that, I felt uncomfortably rushed. I understood the need to get going, but the way it was executed made me feel like I was watching the movie on fast forward. Ten minutes in and were over half way through the story? What the...? Perhaps the problem was in editing. I’m not sure, but it seems to me that the same film could have been put together in the same length without feeling like a ride on a bullet train. The way it was, I pitied anyone who hadn’t read the book. They really had no time to get their bearings or work things out and just had to hang on for the ride.In fact, Steph was getting annoyed because the lady next to her kept asking, “Now who’s that? Why is he upset? Who are they? Why are they doing that?” It was painfully obvious how lost she was because she hadn’t read the book.

    - The maze. Sucked. They totally blew it. Instead of a dynamic, Sphinx and giant spider filled labyrinth of doom, we got a windy hedgerow filled back yard growing with Evil Dead vines. Lame.

    - Sirius’ face in the fire was really lamely done too. I was a bit surprised, as the effects had been otherwise exemplary. It’s too bad that our only glimpse of Harry’s godfather was as a glowing pile of Kingsford’s charcoal briquettes.

    - This really can’t be helped any more than they did, but the aging of the kids kept jarring me back into reality. Someone on-screen mentioned that Harry was fourteen, and an audience member piped up, “Nuh uh! He’s twenty three!” to uproarious laughter. I’ll just have to deal, I know, but it’s still a factor.

    - Ron. I love Ron! Why did they relegate him to mainly the role of “funny sidekick?” A couple of plot driving moments aside, Ron basically sat there going, “Bloody hell! Blimey! Bloody great! Piss off! Huh..?” I just didn’t feel that the screenwriters did Ron justice. Hermione was allowed to grow and mature (and boy did she!) Why not Ron?


    Those are the biggest points I can think of right now. I’ll probably (hopefully) enjoy it more the second time around, in IMAX! One thing’s for sure though. I cannot wait for the next film!

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    Re: Harry Potter GoF - Reviews and Spoilers (Warning: OPEN Spoilers!)

    Jazzman, your review is perfect!!

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    I soooo agree about Dumbledore! This acter didn't bug me in the 3rd movie but I could barely stand to watch him in this one! You hit the nail on the head with the description of him when Harry's name came out of the Goblet!



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    Re: Harry Potter GoF - Reviews and Spoilers (Warning: OPEN Spoilers!)

    Jazzman, the score was awesome!! But just so you know, John Williams didn't do this movie.
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    I'm with Goonie, this movie is not for the young ones. While a child may understand because of discussions, what they see may be completely different than what they conjure up in their imaginations. Keep in mind that when we talk about death with little ones, it's all about heaven and God etc, not the evil that I saw in the movie. I would never take my neices to see this no matter how much they know about it. THAT IS JUST ME and was not meant as a personal attack on anyone. If you take it as such I apologize.

    That being said, I don't think this was the best Harry Potter Movie. the first one was. IMO. Yes this had a very good story, but driving home last night I realized. The movies are visually stimulating but I prefer just reading the books. It's less disappointing. Again, my opinion only but yes it was a good movie.

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    Re: Harry Potter GoF - Reviews and Spoilers (Warning: OPEN Spoilers!)

    I really enjoyed it. It was so different from POA. POA, while awesome, seemed to drag a bit, and I know it is because of the motif of time that Cuaron kept going back to. In this movie, it sucked you right in and it seemed like the tournament happened all in one weekend or something. The only thing that gave any indication of time passing was the Yule Ball, otherwise you would never have known it was Christmas already. The pace was a bit frantic, but I think it worked.

    The acting was sooooo much improved, for the kids at least. Not enough Malfoy for me, but that's fine. He wasn't so important in this one.

    I thought they condensed the book nicely. Yes, things were left out, but things were left out of the others movies too. It still bugs me in POA that they never explained how Lupin knew about the Marauder's Map and why Harry's patronus takes the shape of a stag. My husband hasn't read the books and he was able to follow along. Things are mentioned, but you have to be listening to catch them, like the part about Neville's parents- if you aren't a fan and you don't know his last name already, you're not going to catch that info.

    My son is almost 8 and he loved it. I prepped him a little before he went and apparently he was on the edge of his seat the whole time!
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    Re: Harry Potter GoF - Reviews and Spoilers (Warning: OPEN Spoilers!)

    Quote Originally Posted by Grumpy4
    Jazzman, the score was awesome!! But just so you know, John Williams didn't do this movie.
    Williams didn't personally score this particular film, but he created the themes and overall score when the franchise began with "Sorceror's Stone." For GoF Patrick Doyle arranged Williams' themes and score to fit the film, with some added bits and pieces for new characters and such, but the signature motifs are all still Williams' previous work.

    And yes, it was awesome!

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    Re: Harry Potter GoF - Reviews and Spoilers (Warning: OPEN Spoilers!)

    well... i got to see the 12 o clock showing... and boy was this the best harry potter movie ever... and it even had a funny pre show (the guy up in the booth put the film on the roll upside down so all of the previews were upside down and everyword was being said backwards.. so we also got to see previews for namrepus and god yggahs eht backwards...

    the movie was absoulutely awesome!!!...

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    Re: Harry Potter GoF - Reviews and Spoilers (Warning: OPEN Spoilers!)

    Just, curious, are the books considered spoilers?
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    Re: Harry Potter GoF - Reviews and Spoilers (Warning: OPEN Spoilers!)

    I liked the movie a lot, it did leave out a lot, and a few things that could confuse anyone who hasn't read the books, and it did feel a bit rushed with no real sense of time. I do however, think they did an Amazing job fitting all of it in the movie. I would have liked to see this split into two movies, I think it would have been good for the story, but what they did was great getting the main plot in and showing the growing and changing things in the world of harry potter and growing up in general.

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    Re: Harry Potter GoF - Reviews and Spoilers (Warning: OPEN Spoilers!)

    Quote Originally Posted by ALIASd
    Just, curious, are the books considered spoilers?
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    Well, I wish I had read some of this before seeing the movie. You see, my DD (8) and I went with a group of her classmates and their families to see the movie Friday night. Now I had heard it was going to be scarier, but DD really wanted to go and had a plan how to deal with the scary scenes (burying her face in my shoulder). She is not a kid who wants to watch things if they are too scary so I thought it was a plausible plan. I must say that DD & I have read books 1 through 4 together. She always reads the book before seeing the movie so she knows what to expect. However, this is the first HP movie we have seen in the theatre; the rest have all been on video.

    Anyway, she seemed to be doing ok during the movie. I was checking with her during and after scary scenes and she was spending a lot of time with her face buried in my shoulder. As soon as we left the theatre, I knoew things were not ok. We promptly went to the bathroom where she threw up. Not sick, mind you, she has been fine since that time. It was definitely a reaction to the experience of the movie. We've spent time talking about it. Here's her take on things. There were a lot of "gross" scenes in the movies and being in the theatre made these more intense. She closed her eyes during most of them, but peeking to see if they were done gave her enough of a visual to make her sick. That and I believe the fear contributed as well. She loved the books, but this movie was too much for her. BTW, the other kids we went with were fine. She does tend to be a little on the sensitive side, but is generally a good judge of what she can handle. This was definitely a learning experience for both of us.

    I enjoyed the movie although I do have some of the issues with it that were previously mentioned.

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