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    Re: Early Warning Signs For PIXAR's Cars 2

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. G View Post
    Nope--don't know how you get that. Pixar is an instance where I line up with the critics in some cases. In fact, I have been shocked that critics have liked so many Pixar movies. I just find that critics often give great ratings to movies filled with pornography, violence and profanity--none of these things contribute any "good" to the world and certainly do not uplift or inspire people to be better. Hollywood, in terms of generalized statements (which aren't really fair) is so out of touch with what is important to me. It is rare for me to have any desire to see any movie nominated for best picture lately (there are, of course, some exceptions).
    Yeah, basing your opinion of film critics around your own base moralisitic view of the world isn't exactly fair game. Not saying you have a right to it, but saying critics are out of touch because they happen to like films due to graphic content which you find wrong and not their actual filmic content is just absolutely ignorant. They don't like it because of the "pornography" (really?), "violence" and "profanity", but things like story, characters and themes. If you're religious (which is probable), then you absolutely have a right to steer clear of things you think are wrong but please don't pinpoint other people as liking something for just those qualities.

    As for Cars 2, yes, it was meh. I knew there'd be audience backlash because of the critical spite but I went in neutral, and ended up still disappointed in Pixar. The emotions and messages are forced, and none of it is as slickly done as what we should expect from them. (aside from the gorgeous animation of course) Yet, it'll still be a box office success since well, general audiences freaking love this franchise.

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    Re: Early Warning Signs For PIXAR's Cars 2

    Saw the movie and even though it did not have the normal tear jerker plot that most pixar movies have the people I was with as well as myself thought it was beautifully made and lots of fun for an action packed comedy movie. A total 180 from Pixars past movies. The preview for brave looked good, can't wait for that one

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    Re: Early Warning Signs For PIXAR's Cars 2

    Pixar got in a rut in doing the same type of films over and over and over, Im personally glad that CARS2 takes a different path, and Im also glad to see that BRAVE is looking to be something new for Pixar as well.
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    Re: Early Warning Signs For PIXAR's Cars 2

    'Cars 2' Speeds to $68 Million,
    Beating Original Movie's Opening


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    Re: Early Warning Signs For PIXAR's Cars 2

    Why is everyone talking about a trailer for Brave? I'm feeling rather like my theater ripped me off...

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    Re: Early Warning Signs For PIXAR's Cars 2

    Added incentive by the studio to see 'Cars 2' in 3D:

    http://micechat.com/forums/movies/15...post1056562751
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    Re: Early Warning Signs For PIXAR's Cars 2

    Quote Originally Posted by Streamliner View Post
    So the general public will probably watch Cars 2 and keep giving Disney money, but this could also be the moment that Pixar's film quality is perceived as going downhill. That would be a bad thing for everybody in the long run.

    Having said that, a lot of people thought Cars 1 would be the turning point in Pixar's film quality, when it got a 74% score. Of course Pixar then gave us Ratatouille, Wall-E, Up and Toy Story 3. So maybe a "rotten" Pixar movie won't hurt.
    Any disappointment in Cars 2 won’t be due to lack of quality. The film will at least maintain the quality Pixar has established. The problem with the film will be perceived as pushing a (relatively) weak Pixar property beyond it’s limits. The original was a stretch, but pretty much accepted, but trying to pack too much into the film’s framework has probably reduced it’s acceptability.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Wiggins View Post
    A very well written post! To me it's always disappointing when some aspect of Disney product drops beneath Disney's own, previously-established high standards. But it's doubly disappointing when the first response of Disney fans to criticism of the product is to claim that the standards somehow don't matter in this case, or really don't apply to this particular product, or that the critics are being too picky, or that the criticism is poorly founded, biased or otherwise irrelevant.

    IMO that's not a defense of Disney. It's a disservice.
    Actually, while I feel this film will be perceived as below PIXAR’s “previously-established high standards”, I believe it does still fall within DISNEY’s “previously-established high standards”.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yoyoflamingo View Post
    Some big name reviews are in, Time, New York Times, etc. Now it's down to 45%. Seems to me from just glancing at the reviews, if you don't like Mater, you're not going to like the movie.

    It's a shame, but hopefully this will be one blemish on Pixar's reputation. It's interesting to see that the lowest rated original (74% on rotten tomatoes) is up for a sequel. I realize the merch pressure, but one would hope Pixar would be above that. Hopefully the bad reviews that are coming will recitfy this failed experiment and Brave once again goes back to what Pixar does best.
    You have to realize that Pixar is now a Disney company. So, while Pixar’s management controls the quality of their product, Disney probably exerts control over the direction that Pixar is moving. Realizing that, it’s easy to understand that Pixar may not have preferred the path they are currently on.

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    Re: Early Warning Signs For PIXAR's Cars 2

    Wow, I could see going into the movie comparing it to Cars 1. But the movie was not terrible. It was more like a mater sequel but I think it deserved at least 4 out of 5 peices of Cheese. "Get it? Micechat" WAKKA WAKKA"

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    Ugh. I saw Cars 2 on Friday, and it is definitely Pixar's weakest contribution yet. I love animation, and I'll admit I'm generally biased to favor Disney and Pixar. Granted, Cars 1 is my least favorite of all the Pixar films (I just don't connect well with those characters for some reason). That being said...

    I agree with the critics - Cars 2 is definitely "rotten", sadly. I will say that it has some nice lighting work and effects animation in it. But really, when I'm starting to focus on lighting and effects animation more than the story and we're only 10 minutes into the movie, that's a bad sign.

    Maybe I'm jaded, but I agree that it clearly seems like billion-dollar merchandising, plus that it's John Lasseter's pet project, plus the 3-year production schedule (instead of the typical 4) is the reason for this watered-down sequel.

    I want to go see Kung Fu Panda 2 again just to remind myself that good animation is still out there.

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    Oh, and I totally didn't get a Brave preview either!!! And I was at the Downtown Disney AMC!

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    Re: Early Warning Signs For PIXAR's Cars 2

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    Re: Early Warning Signs For PIXAR's Cars 2

    (And it was even in 3D! I did get to see a preview for The Lion King in 3D - that was AMAZING, and I'm not a huge Lion King fan.)

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    Re: Early Warning Signs For PIXAR's Cars 2

    Quote Originally Posted by goldenstate5 View Post
    Yeah, basing your opinion of film critics around your own base moralisitic view of the world isn't exactly fair game. Not saying you have a right to it, but saying critics are out of touch because they happen to like films due to graphic content which you find wrong and not their actual filmic content is just absolutely ignorant. They don't like it because of the "pornography" (really?), "violence" and "profanity", but things like story, characters and themes. If you're religious (which is probable), then you absolutely have a right to steer clear of things you think are wrong but please don't pinpoint other people as liking something for just those qualities.

    As for Cars 2, yes, it was meh. I knew there'd be audience backlash because of the critical spite but I went in neutral, and ended up still disappointed in Pixar. The emotions and messages are forced, and none of it is as slickly done as what we should expect from them. (aside from the gorgeous animation of course) Yet, it'll still be a box office success since well, general audiences freaking love this franchise.
    I didn't say they like it because of the pornography, etc. I said they give high ratings to shows that have those things. IN MY OPINION, they are desensitized to that stuff. If my lemonade is all great except it has a big bug in it, it ruins the whole glass of lemonade for me. IN MY OPINION critics are out of touch with most of America, at least I hope most of America has a sense for the decent.

    And no, I am not ignorant, as I am fully aware of what I am saying and what the implications of my words are. I know what critics base their reviews on--THEIR PERSONAL OPINION. Just like everyone else. The point I was trying to make, since this thread is about the reviews of Cars 2 by the "Critics", is that the critics opinion often has absolutely nothing to do with the success of the movie. I don't need to find out what the critics say before I see a movie. I do enjoy finding out what people have to say who generally like the same movies I do. That's not the professional critics.

    It looks like the critics missed it on this one in terms of the general public going to see the movie. Looks like it was a good opening weekend for the movie. No need to worry about the financial success of this movie. John Lasseter and company look to be more in touch with movie-goers than the reviewers. Of course, the real test will be to see what kind of "legs" this movie has. I'm sure a lot of people went to the movie because it's Cars and because it's Pixar. As word-of-mouth spreads through actual movie goers (not the critics), the "legs" will be seen or not seen.

    And as for religion, why bring that into it? Can't people have their own opinion of right or wrong, good or bad, movie worth seeing or not, regardless of religion or not? Religion has no place in this discussion. Why attack a perception of religion? And I'd appreciate it if you would not resort to name calling with me--isn't that against the rules here at MiceChat?

    I'm seeing the movie today at 5:30, so I'll have my own opinion tonight.

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    Re: Early Warning Signs For PIXAR's Cars 2

    Half the replies on this thread must be music to Michael Eisner's ears.

    I wonder if we have already forgotten what the theory of profitable mediocrity did to Disney's reputation in the decade and half after 1992?

    That being said, Pixar are entitled to one less-than-stellar film after so many triumphs, and I still have high hopes for "Brave."
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    Re: Early Warning Signs For PIXAR's Cars 2

    I wouldn't say that this movie is "mediocre"... maybe compared to Pixar's other slate of films but in the broader spectrum of movie going, it's an enjoyable movie.

    BUT.... much like the bashing of Jar Jar Binks, the same thing will be said for Mater. He didn't bug me that much but it was STARTING to wear on me.


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    Re: Early Warning Signs For PIXAR's Cars 2

    For me, critics usually decide how much money I'll pay to see a movie. Do note, I don't see a lot of movies at theaters.

    Cars 2: I think I'll wait for the discounted DVDs. Or the Cars 2 premiere on ABC Family.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tasman View Post
    Half the replies on this thread must be music to Michael Eisner's ears.

    I wonder if we have already forgotten what the theory of profitable mediocrity did to Disney's reputation in the decade and half after 1992?

    That being said, Pixar are entitled to one less-than-stellar film after so many triumphs, and I still have high hopes for "Brave."
    When the counts gets to four or five stinkers in a row for Pixar, wake me up.

    To me, Cars 2 is the money-make-it-rain-maker, so Disney can make other, higher-quality movies. I hope. Same thery that actors and producers have. You think Johnny Depp would make high-quality, independent movies at lower rates if he didn't have POTC wheelbarrow-loads of doubloons (and Public Enemy money)?
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