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    Bill O'Reilly Vs. David Letterman

    Hey did any of you see the small debate O'Reilly had with Letterman on Davids late night show?

    I only saw a small clip of it on Access Hollywood. They showed a clip where O'Reilly was talking about that Cindy lady and David asked Bill if he knew of a family member that was gunned down, Bill said no, & David told Bill that he had no room to talk then. Now I do not like Cindy, but thought the segment was interesting. David even said to Bill that 60% of what he said was trash.

    Did anyone else see the show and know of anything else they debated about?

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    Re: Bill O'Reilly Vs. David Letterman

    Actually the word Dave used wasn't trash. But here is a link:
    http://www.cbs.com/latenight/latesho...ghlights.shtml
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    Dave and Bill O'Reilly
    (1/3/06)

    This may be a shortened version, the entire interview was approx 12 min long.
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    Re: Bill O'Reilly Vs. David Letterman

    Here is a quicktime link to the entire interview. Scroll down just a little and click on the picture of Dave and Bill.

    Nice to see this idiot get called on his BS.
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    Re: Bill O'Reilly Vs. David Letterman

    Does Bill have a new book out?
    I'm guessing that's why he was on the show.
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    Re: Bill O'Reilly Vs. David Letterman

    It was nice to see the old firey Dave that we used to know and love who would call people on their BS. I don't care one way or the other for Fox News or CNN or MSNBC but this pundints like O'Reilly and Chris Matthews who railroad people during debates- well they can all hold hands and take a flying leap.

    I love to see guys like Dave or John Stewart nail these taking heads to the wall and expose them for what they really are- cheap entertainers who only know a slight bit more about politics and yet they fire cheap shots at each other, Hollywood, DC, opposing view points- they achieve no goals, they approach each with out promise of compromise or pragmatic solutions and stir up controvsery for rating not talent or genuine understanding...

    "We are all dumber for listening to your answer, you are awarded no points and my god have mercy on your soul." applies to my response and to those damn pundints.







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    Re: Bill O'Reilly Vs. David Letterman

    "I have the feeling that 60% of what you say is crap..." and with that Dave Letterman captured the essence of what is Bill O'Reilly. Earlier in the segment Bill O'Reilly said, "The Soldiers and Marines are noble they are not terrorists and when people call them that like Cindy Sheehan; called the insurgents freedom fighters we don't like that. " This quotation is a perfect example of O'Reilly's sophistry. Notice where he pauses, not after that, but rather after Cindy Sheehan, implying not only that does she view the insurgents as freedom fighters but that she views the troops as terrorists. It is exactly the same technique Bush used in linking Iraq and 9/11. It wasn't simply an awkward sentence but a device O'Reilly uses frequently to smear others. You don't debate with someone who has no respect for the facts, for someone who quotes out of context. You point out as Dave did that it is crap. You don't argue the fine points you can never win that sort of argument with a LIAR. When someone flings **** like O'Reilly does, you don't need to identify it point by point you can smell it.

    First off, it is unclear as to whether Letterman's "60% crap" comment was intended as an insult toward Bill O'Reilly, or just another crappy joke. The criticism of the previous poster seems to be directed at O'Reilly's gramatical sentax more so than the content of his opinions.

    Regardless of O'Reillys opinion with respect to Cindy Sheehan, I feel the majority of those familiar with her views would have drawn the same conclusion that she is pro terrorist all on their own. Frankly, many of those I know (or have ran into) have expressed this view to me. Grammar and pregnant pauses have little to do with the opinions of the masses.

    The liberal mindset would have everybody think alike: Ban all guns. Ban all wars. Ban the death penalty, and any other form of punishment that hurts criminals. Ban all policies that control illegal immigration. Offer amnesty to illegal alliens, while penalizing those who are trying to come to America legally by having them wait even longer. {Moderate Democrats and Republicans alike are starting to take measures against illegal alliens.} Increase the size of the welfare state, while taxing individuals and business to death. Remain ever on the attack against references to God and Christianity in public - tieing it into separation of church and state.

    Many of those that take a stand against the left do not care for the extremeism of the right either. Just because O'Reilly has a different perspective than the socialist, athiest liberal extremist - this niether makes him a right wing extremiist or a liar. The vast majority of the troops likely agree with most of his viewpoints. A liberal can certainly declare my assertions moot, but they cannot proove them wrong - nor force me to share their same "ill-conceived, short sighted" opininions on everything from soup to nuts, ever.
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    Re: Bill O'Reilly Vs. David Letterman

    Quote Originally Posted by Ride Warrior

    First off, it is unclear as to whether letterman's "60% crap" comment was intendesd as an insult toward Bill O'Reilly, or just another crappy joke. The criticism of the previous poster seems to be directed at O'Reilly's gramatical sentax more so than the content of his opinions.
    I, being the person in the other degree to which he is refering in the above mentioned quote, cannot stomach the opinions of men like Bill O Reilly as much for the way they conduct interviews or debates as much as for the fact that profess absolute certainty without hearing, listening or achieving a goal that helps or nation. Neither is his spewing of information news but per opinion. Therefore all men who conduct themselves in this manner, including left liberal like Chris Matthews are subject to the complete and utter invalidation of their content of their opinions on the grounds that are talking heads with no true respect for this country but simply conduct themselves in a fashion necessary to obtain ratings. They are entertainers with perhaps a slight more education then the senators and actors they attack. Respect of content will be withheld until further notice when men can act like men on these programs.

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    Re: Bill O'Reilly Vs. David Letterman

    Quote Originally Posted by sediment
    Does Bill have a new book out?
    I'm guessing that's why he was on the show.
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    Re: Bill O'Reilly Vs. David Letterman

    Quote Originally Posted by ah schucks
    Respect of content will be withheld until further notice when men can act like men on these programs.

    -Tom
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    I agree with what you wrote, but I agree with the way John Stewart said it on Crossfire a few months ago.
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    Re: Bill O'Reilly Vs. David Letterman

    I have a genuine and abiding respect for you, shucks, as a fair-minded and interesting person. These boards are fortunate indeed to benefit from your talent. From what I've seen, I agree with most of your views, as (for lack of a better term) I consider myself a moderate as well. Most people who criticize O'Reilly, though, are of the extremist mindset. The attitudes of entertainers and/or journalists such as Letterman and Mathews are commonplace among the media, both currently and traditionally.

    It is they and the liberals that subscribe to disfunctional logic whom I had intended to refer to above, in my previous post.. O'Reilly never has referred to his show as anything beyond "news perspective". Whether one agrees with all or part of the content if his perspective is up to them. At least he is honest enough to admit that he is presenting opinion - and I certainly do not agree with a lot of what he says.

    Most television and print news media engages in "agenda setting" in an effort to inundate the public with the same monotone socialist liberal perspective - only they won't admit it. O'reilly, along with other Fox News personalities, is at least up front - regardless of whether one appreciates his style or not. Having been the number one news network for several years now cannot be attributed to the Fox audience being dupes or victims of any kind.

    As a side note -

    Regardless of whether I agree with you or not, shucks - you certainly express yourself far better than John Stewart's comments on Crossfire or Chris Mathews on Hardball.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ride Warrior
    The liberal mindset would have everybody think alike: Ban all guns. Ban all wars. Ban the death penalty, and any other form of punishment that hurts criminals. Ban all policies that control illegal immigration. Offer amnesty to illegal alliens, while penalizing those who are trying to come to America legally by having them wait even longer. {Moderate Democrats and Republicans alike are starting to take measures against illegal alliens.} Increase the size of the welfare state, while taxing individuals and business to death. Remain ever on the attack against references to God and Christianity in public - tieing it into separation of church and state.
    Well, speaking as a liberal, let me say that I am pretty puzzled by some of your assertions, or rather, assumptions.

    I don't want to ban all guns. I'm for stricter gun control though. I just don't think there is any need for a citizen to have an Uzi in their possession.

    I don't want to ban all wars. I fully supported sending our troops to Afghanistan. I just don't think we should attack countries that pose no threat to us.

    I do want to ban the death penalty. It is a barbaric practice that we don't always get right and innocent people die. As far as "banning anything that hurts criminals", I'm not sure what this has to do with liberalism. The Constitution forbids cruel and unusual punishment. As long as we are following those guidelines, violent criminals can rot in prison for all I care.

    As far as immigration, I'm not sure how you can say what you did with a straight face. You pretty much summed up Bush's policy. Give em all amnesty. What has he done to strengthen border control? Not a damn thing.

    As far as increasing the size of the welfare state, isn't that what happens when the rich get the majority of the tax breaks? I'm always amazed when conservatives praise tax cuts that don't benefit them in the least. Not to mention, when in our history have we pressed for tax cuts in a time of war, a hell of an expensive war at that?

    As far as the part on Christianity, you are aware that all Christians aren't conservative, right? It's just that some people feel that seperation of Church and State was put in that document for a reason. That's why they don't want Christianity taught in science classes. Any perceived attack on Christians is simply people saying that no, the ultra-right may not do as they please and turn this into a theocracy. Our Constitution does not allow this.

    I generally like your posts, Ride Warrior but you are painting with a very large brush. Much too wide for my tastes.
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    Re: Bill O'Reilly Vs. David Letterman

    As far as Bill O'Reilly, his lies are plentiful and documented. There is nothing at all that is fair or balanced in what he does. I think Letterman was far too kind with his assertion of 60%. It is probably a much higher number.
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    Re: Bill O'Reilly Vs. David Letterman

    Quote Originally Posted by Motorboat Cruiser
    As far as Bill O'Reilly, his lies are plentiful and documented. There is nothing at all that is fair or balanced in what he does. I think Letterman was far too kind with his assertion of 60%. It is probably a much higher number.
    I think the same goes for ALL news broadcasters. You see they don't go get the news, they all just sit behind the desk and read the news that news journalists collected. So it is the news journalists that collect and gather all the news for the news broadcasters (Hannity, Colms, O'Reilly, Matthews, etc.). But then there are broadcasters who are also News Journalists who go out and gather their own news (Gretta Van Sustren and many others).

    Basically every News broadcaster who does not collect and read their own news but read the news that journalists have collected for them are biased and add their own point of views to the news articles handed to them about an hour before they tape their shows.

    Heck I bet some news broadcasters get read everything they are suppost to say from an off screen tele promter.

    And isn't it stupid that O'Reilly always talks down to the audience at the beginning of the show with his "Talking Points Memo" or what ever it is called? He has a screen that appears on the side of him that states everything he is saying as if we do not understand what he is saying.

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    Re: Bill O'Reilly Vs. David Letterman

    Quote Originally Posted by Motorboat Cruiser

    As far as increasing the size of the welfare state, isn't that what happens when the rich get the majority of the tax breaks? I'm always amazed when conservatives praise tax cuts that don't benefit them in the least. Not to mention, when in our history have we pressed for tax cuts in a time of war, a hell of an expensive war at that?
    But E- you have to give tax cuts to those who pay the taxes, giving a tax cut to someone who pays little to no taxes is just wealth redistribution. I would know- I pay no taxes, but I get money back- it's very socialist of me.

    Speaking as a conservative- we praise tax cuts because it encourages economic growth, and improves the job market. Plus, putting aside "feelings" about them- we know that you can't cut taxes on people who don't pay them.

    Speaking of taxes- how up to date are you on the Alternative Minimum tax? Bad bad thing- originally used to make sure less then 25 millionaires paid taxes- will now begin to snag millions in the middle class. And the Senate said they were too busy to deal with it-

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