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    Quote Originally Posted by Importance
    If Iger wants to be real bold and get an animation studio that knows a little bit about creativity and story-telling ... why not go after Miyazaki's Studio Ghibli? Now that would be bold and show a real commitment to quality, inventive entertainment.

    Because Anime is not commercially successful in the states and never will be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Snappy
    Because Anime is not commercially successful in the states and never will be.
    That's a bold and premature statement... Anime isn't big here now, true, but i has made huge strides in the last 5-10 years. Anime movies released theatrically, 3/4 of Cartoon Network programming made up of Anime... The Thundercats/Transformers/Robotech crowd is all grown up now, and wants more from their animation than many animation studios are doing. Spawn the animated series was drawn in Anime style, there were heavy anime influences in Atlantis for crying out loud. Never will be? We'll see....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Snappy
    Because Anime is not commercially successful in the states and never will be.
    Studio Ghibli is not straight-up anime. In many ways it follows the old Disney formula with a fantastical twist. And I agree with Reaver that there is a growing appetite for anime in this country.

    Dreamworks has given us Shrek and Shark Tale.

    Miyazaki has given us Princess Monoke and Spirited Away.

    If you haven't seen many of his movies, do so. Castle in the Sky, Kiki's Delivery Service. These remind me more of Disney then anything from Dreamworks.

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    You do know Disney has years ago signed distribution rights for those anime?

    Spirited Away is a a wonderful film, Kikis Delivery Service had the last grace to have a well known actors english dubbing, I'm in a brainlock, I think he did The Little Toaster, his wife shot and killed him a few years ago. The problem of japanimation entering the US market is that a majority of it is very graphic and violent, which is normal and accepted in the japanese culture, often its better to hear the film in Japanese to get the real feeling of it.
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    Yes, they have the distribution rights, but if they are looking to buy an animation studio, Studio Ghibli would be a better choice than Dreamworks Animation. Much Japanimation is graphic, but not Studio Ghibli's.

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    It would be funny to acquire Dreamworks Animation to only end up having them do "Home on the Range2"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reaver
    That's a bold and premature statement... Anime isn't big here now, true, but i has made huge strides in the last 5-10 years. Anime movies released theatrically, 3/4 of Cartoon Network programming made up of Anime... The Thundercats/Transformers/Robotech crowd is all grown up now, and wants more from their animation than many animation studios are doing. Spawn the animated series was drawn in Anime style, there were heavy anime influences in Atlantis for crying out loud. Never will be? We'll see....
    Don't get me wrong. It's not that anime does not have a certain amount of influence, but it will never be accepted as main stream. Premature? I disagree, anime has been around for the last 30 years and still has not found a significant audience. The kiddie shows you reference were not successful because the were anime, they were simply cheap to produce commercials for toy companies. 6-year olds were not demanding anime, they simply watched what was being offered.

    Now contrast that with what is a very cultural phenomena in Japan, Real Anime. Real anime is dark, VERY graphic, violent (in most cases), and even has touches of soft-core porn in some examples. This is NOT something that resonates with the general public in this country. Do you know how many MILLIONS were lost on Final Fantasy, Ghost in The Machine, and others they tried to bring here?

    This is not to say this is bad stuff, I find some of it really interesting and beautifully created, but it will always be a niche product for diehard fans. Jane Q Public and her little ones will not run out to the multi-plex for the newest Anime project, but they will go see a PIXAR, DISNEY, or even DREAMWORKS movie on name alone.

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    I liked Shark Tale- alot

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Snappy
    Now contrast that with what is a very cultural phenomena in Japan, Real Anime. Real anime is dark, VERY graphic, violent (in most cases), and even has touches of soft-core porn in some examples. This is NOT something that resonates with the general public in this country. Do you know how many MILLIONS were lost on Final Fantasy, Ghost in The Machine, and others they tried to bring here?

    This is not to say this is bad stuff, I find some of it really interesting and beautifully created, but it will always be a niche product for diehard fans. Jane Q Public and her little ones will not run out to the multi-plex for the newest Anime project, but they will go see a PIXAR, DISNEY, or even DREAMWORKS movie on name alone.
    Miyazaki and Studio Ghibli aren't real anime? Ghibli is only the most popular animation studio in Japan. And although some of the Ghibli movies have dark elements, they are no more dark than many of the villains in Disney Movies. I do see collaboration between Disney and Studio Ghibli resulting in classics that people will go to see.

    And millions were lost on The Prince of Egypt and I doubt that A Shark's Tale was a huge moneymaker as well. I'm not so sure about Ghost in the Machine, which was made for Japanese audiences and made most of its money in Japan, any money it made in the US was gravy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Importance
    And millions were lost on The Prince of Egypt and I doubt that A Shark's Tale was a huge moneymaker as well. I'm not so sure about Ghost in the Machine, which was made for Japanese audiences and made most of its money in Japan, any money it made in the US was gravy.
    Sharks Tale made money... So far the box office is $ 337 million (boxofficemojo.com)... Which isn't bad for an animated feature... But it didn't have the merchandizing factor that Disney has...

    Which is more than I can say for Polar Express which just about broke even...
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    Quote Originally Posted by cellarhound
    Sharks Tale made money... So far the box office is $ 337 million (boxofficemojo.com)... Which isn't bad for an animated feature... But it didn't have the merchandizing factor that Disney has...

    Which is more than I can say for Polar Express which just about broke even...
    Shark Tale may have made some money, but nothing spectacular. It certainly loses out on the merchandizing factor as you note and Disney is all about the merchandizing.

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    I remember the movies Bionicle, my son and I loved them and of course they were Lego but my son (he is 11) was not impressed with Ghost in the Machine: Innocence, I was absolutely amazed at the depth of it. We Americans are fat and weak...the public would have a heart attack if they saw some real japanimation while in japan its the norm. It also seems to make sense why we got DCA and Tokyo got TDS Its like a religon nowadays, nobody can get offended by anything, I'm not into politics but I think there is a phrase for it.

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    Here is a good review of the latest Studio Ghilbli releases on Disney DVD: A cat, a Princess, and a Pig

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    anime isnt commercially successful???? yeesh have you been in suncoast or block buster recently? They have their own section now.. that was absolutely unthinkable just 5-10 years ago. Back then there were a handful of distributors if you wanted anything else. and particularly if you wanted miyazaki films that were not hacked and sliced up (warriors of the wind anyone?) you had to find a bootleg copy. It was completely impossible to find REAL copies of ANY anime otehr than what streamline and a handful of others were doing (and doing badly). Many people such as myself joined anime clubs where we would pool our resources and get together just to see the latest bootlegs from people who had visited japan recently, that was the ONLY way to see this stuff back then. Now you can see it all the time in video in stores with its own section, I still am shocked at what you can get now. Anime has made huge strides and continues to do so, and whether you personally like it or not, its not going to go away anytime soon nor is it going to shrink in the market its only going to get bigger.

    When kiki came out released by disney here in the states, we travelled from oregon to seattle in one long day trip just to see it on thre big screen, we were amazed at how huge the crowds were for this, they had to turn people away that had been waiting for hours. This wasnt a tiny theater auditorium like it had been in the past for movie showings either. When streamline first released castle in the sky, it was only to little cracker box theaters that were tiny little affairs.

    It was absolutely and completely unheard of to have normal tv stations showing anime, it still blows my mind what adult swim shows.

    And anime by its definition is not necessarily "dark", you are confusing the main overall term with subgenres, anime can indeed even cover japanese childrens shows like chibi marukochan which has less voilent conflict than anything seen on the disney channel. Anime has MANY sub genres: anime just for boys, just for girls, just for office people, etc. the darker stuff with sexual over tones is a genre all by itself. Granted the stuff for boys and girls is a lot less PC over there, they are kinda like we were in the 50's with the whole cowboys and Indians thing; a little violence is good for the moral character of a boy (unthinkable now, but in the 50's that kind of thing was the norm).

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    Disney should rebuild thier OWN studio....


    Here's an idea...rather than Disney spend the money to buy Pixar or even Dreamworks..why dont they take that money and invest it getting back the kind of talent they used to have in THIER OWN ANIMATION STUDIO ?? Why do they need to BUY a animation studio when they used to be the best in the business..its just a matter of Iger getting the company back to that point !!

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