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    Re: Carol Burnett sues FOX over "Family Guy" Episode

    Ok- so if we don't like the Family Guy- we "don't get it"

    That is so elitist to say-

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    Re: Carol Burnett sues FOX over "Family Guy" Episode

    Quote Originally Posted by Disneyland Daddy View Post
    Well, from what I heard on the news yesterday, The Family Guy Folks asked Burnett if they could use 'her' and she replied with a firm 'NO' - and they did it anyway.

    She probably didn't like being linked up to a Porn Shop, quite frankly, and I can't say that I blame her.

    I do think she will win........I just have this feeling.
    What you seem to be missing is they never had to ask her in the first place. Whether she said "yes" or "no" is irrelevent. She never had to be asked in the first place.

    Plenty of people don't like the parodies done of them. They don't sue becuase they'll lose.

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    Re: Carol Burnett sues FOX over "Family Guy" Episode

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    What you seem to be missing is they never had to ask her in the first place. Whether she said "yes" or "no" is irrelevent. She never had to be asked in the first place.

    Plenty of people don't like the parodies done of them. They don't sue becuase they'll lose.
    Well..........I guess we'll just see what the Judge says.......

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    Re: Carol Burnett sues FOX over "Family Guy" Episode

    Just here to contribute I found this article. Love the Family Guy and Carol Burnett ( so im neutral)

    http://www.publaw.com/parody.html
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    Re: Carol Burnett sues FOX over "Family Guy" Episode

    correct, as long as the work was a parody they don't need her permission. Permission is normally asked to be nice but is not required under any reason. Carol has no ground to sue even if she should.

    I actually don't care, I love Carol's old shows and have never watched Family Guy but they broke no laws.

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    Re: Carol Burnett sues FOX over "Family Guy" Episode

    Quote Originally Posted by kcnole View Post
    correct, as long as the work was a parody they don't need her permission. Permission is normally asked to be nice but is not required under any reason. Carol has no ground to sue even if she should.

    I actually don't care, I love Carol's old shows and have never watched Family Guy but they broke no laws.
    But what if they actually use the name Carol Burnett?

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    Re: Carol Burnett sues FOX over "Family Guy" Episode

    Quote Originally Posted by Ride Warrior View Post
    Carol Burnett's cleaning woman character is known in the Copyright world as an "intellectual property". A lot of hard work and creativity went into the role, and it should not be free for the rip off.
    Not exactly. Parody is allowed. Which is all that Family Guy is. Otherwise, most comics and Saturday Night Live would be out of business, and Carol Burnett would never have had her successful television show. Some of her funniest bits were ripped off from TV and the Movies. So what is she complaining about? I love her, but she has a REALLY bad lawyer.
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    Re: Carol Burnett sues FOX over "Family Guy" Episode

    Quote Originally Posted by Disneyland Daddy View Post
    In order to do a parody of someone, you have to get their OK. When 'they' asked Burnett if they could use her image, she refused. But they did it anyway. That is where the lawsuit comes into play because it is now Copywrite infringement - they didn't get the 'ok'. I don't think it's disappointing that she went that route - I think she was smart to go that route.
    Actually, there's a part of these laws that pretty much makes you open for comment, satire, and parody if you present yourself as a public figure. After all, does Saturday Night Live call up the President often to make sure it's okay for them to make fun of him each week?

    Carol Burnett is a celebrity. Therefore, she's a public figure -- open for satire and parody.

    There's also "free use," which allows copyrighted works to be used in works of satire and parody. This is why many parody artists can be free to record and sell song parodies without permission or royalties to the original artist ("Weird Al" Yankovic and Cletus T. Judd are exceptions -- they ask the artist for permission and give them a bit of royalty out of respect to the original artist. Weird Al will often perform the songs that he couldn't get permission for in his live shows). Free Use, however, can be a bit vague as to what is allowed at times.

    Because of Free Use, there is a big possibility that she will not win. The music used is altered enough that it is technically by law an original work. Also, the character used might not be deemed close enough to the original that it is infringement.

    I respect Carol Burnett. I just doubt she'll win based on the laws established for such things.
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    Re: Carol Burnett sues FOX over "Family Guy" Episode

    Quote Originally Posted by Disneyland Daddy View Post
    Well..........I guess we'll just see what the Judge says.......
    You won't have to wait. There is plenty of precedent for this to be laughed out of court, the first time in a long time that someone has laughed at Ms Burnett.
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    Re: Carol Burnett sues FOX over "Family Guy" Episode

    Quote Originally Posted by 20YearAPH View Post
    In the way Family Guy used it, that character is free for the rip off. Parodies are protected free speech, not subject to copyright laws. Carol is going to lose.
    There's a difference between "imitating" directly and "emulating" in general. Carol Burnett's cleaning lady character is not an imitation of any specific person that performs maid services. Rather, it is a general emulation of people that perform that type of job...in this case, her interpretation was satirical comedy.

    Family Guy, on the other hand, directly imitated Carol Burnett's likeness, as well as the role that she has created and developed. Granted, all actors who are directly paradied do not seek legal action and reparations for copyright infringement. But, they are certainly entitled to do so. Family Guy had prior warning to not parody her character and chose to go ahead anyway. They deserve to lose the lawsuit.

    Let's explain the meaning of "intelectual property" another way. Years ago songwriters were at the complete mercy of the entertainment industry as far as receiving compensation for their songs. The recording and motion picture industries were free to use the works of composers as they wished, without paying a cent to songwriters...or even recognizing their names.

    This is why organizations such as The American Society of Composers, Authors and Publishers were formed. Songs are "intellectual" commercial property. They are a commodity every bit as much as any physical item that you might purchase at a store, or elsewhere.

    Characters created by an actor are "intellectual property" in the same sense that songs are. Just because you cannot physically touch this type of property with your hands does not mean that it is without value...and that nobody has crafted it. Carol Burnett deserves her just due.
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    Re: Carol Burnett sues FOX over "Family Guy" Episode

    Quote Originally Posted by Dustysage View Post
    Not exactly. Parody is allowed. Which is all that Family Guy is. Otherwise, most comics and Saturday Night Live would be out of business, and Carol Burnett would never have had her successful television show. Some of her funniest bits were ripped off from TV and the Movies. So what is she complaining about? I love her, but she has a REALLY bad lawyer.
    The right of free speech does protect the right of any given party to parody a public figure such as an politician, actor, or anyone of celebrity status. The world would be a dull place if you couldn't poke fun of celebrities. They are fair game.

    I just question the act of rewriting (in parody) a specific comedy skit or program storyline without permision.
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    Re: Carol Burnett sues FOX over "Family Guy" Episode

    ...the Supreme Court reached the unequivocal conclusion that a parody falls within the scope of the fair-use defense.
    I believe this is exactly why Disney didn't make a peep when Saturday Night Live recently aired an animated "TV Funhouse" parody of virtually all things Disney (I think it was called "Inside The Disney Vault") that even included as it's "host"...an animated Mickey Mouse!

    Sort of funny and ironic though that NBC forced YouTube to remove clips of it to protect their copyright.

    http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/ent..._that_dis.html

    Carol? Well...I think that some people just lose their sense of humor as they get older. And perhaps listen to their "advisor's" and attorneys just a bit too much. IMHO.

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    Re: Carol Burnett sues FOX over "Family Guy" Episode

    A bit off topic, but if anybody is interested in a Disney parody that was order to stop, but didn't I suggest the book The Pirates and the Mouse. A group known as the Air Pirates essentially wrote, published, and sold very adult comics using Disney characters. Disney's winning case was based on the claim the Air Pirates weren't establishing themselves as parody, instead as official Disney product. That is usually where you are going to get in trouble. This segment made no attempt to appear as the real deal.

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    Re: Carol Burnett sues FOX over "Family Guy" Episode

    I think Carol Burnett has a case and these Family Guy people might have just bit off more than they can chew. Claiming you are writing and performing a parody does not give you access to copyrighted charcters or music. If you listen/watch closely, most of the Saturday Night Live music has been altered or characters have been drawn in a way that can be argued in court for similarity but not the exact music or image. If these people used that copyrighted image without permission, I hope she gets everything she wants plus throwing that episode in the trash plus an apology.

    And count me in as one of the old folks who think this isn't funny. Cleaning a porn shop....um....ok. This is funny?

    And what the frick is this?

    Another character then makes a vulgar reference to the signature ear tug used by Burnett at the close of her variety show each week, according to the lawsuit.
    Vulgar reference? Nice.

    Whatever. She has a right to be offended, and I hope it really costs the idiots who wrote and produced this piece of crap.

    And whoever is comparing the two....there is no comparison, IMO. Carol and her writers got their laughs by actually being creative and using their brains to come up with very funny situations. In short, they were legitimately funny people. Family Guy, on the other hand, seems to get it's laughs by appealing to the lowest common denominator, i.e. bathroom humor (as commonly found in middle schools across America) and shock value by pushing the envelope with such brilliant episodes of which this is just another stellar example. I'm sure the show has it's funny moments, but there really is no comparing the two. Having to be funny with censors breathing down your neck every week was a world away from what writers get away with today.

    Just sayin.

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    Parody: Fair Use or Copyright Infringement?

    The Copyright Act in Section 107 enumerates four "fair use factors" that must be analyzed to determine whether a particular use of a copyrighted work, such as a parody, is fair use. These factors are the (1) purpose and character of the use, including whether the use is commercially motivated or instead is for nonprofit educational purposes; (2) nature of the copyrighted work; (3) amount and substantiality of the portion used in the newly created work in relation to the copyrighted work; and (4) effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work. A court when evaluating a fair-use defense takes into consideration each of the four factors as no single factor by itself is sufficient to prove or disprove fair use.
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    Re: Carol Burnett sues FOX over "Family Guy" Episode

    Quote Originally Posted by Ride Warrior View Post
    I just question the act of rewriting (in parody) a specific comedy skit or program storyline without permision.
    Like the way Carol Burnett rewrote Gone With the Wind, Sunset Boulevard, and other movies and shows to parody them? The way she parodied well-known commercials for specific brands of deodorant, fish sticks, margarine, cereal, etc.? (And even when she slightly altered the brand name, she directly quoted parts of the original ad.)

    I always loved Carol Burnett, and I love Family Guy (and what I love the most is all the obscure cultural references that they throw into every episode), but I just lost a huge amount of respect for Ms. Burnett over this baseless lawsuit. It's one thing to sue the National Enquirer for libel over an article claiming public drunkenness or whatever it was, but this is the sort of thing that I file under "Get Over Yourself." It's just like when Spike Lee sued the cable network SpikeTV for using "his" name. As if there aren't other famous people or characters named Spike, many of whom I think of long before I think of him. I've never been able to take Mr. Lee seriously since then, and now whenever I see him on TV, I find myself heckling him on how big his ego is. And now I don't think I could look at Carol Burnett without wondering when her suddenly overblown sense of self-importance became so much bigger than her sense of humor.

    I just hope I never live in a world where you can't parody the president, Michael Jackson, O.J. Simpson, Tom Cruise, Kevin Federline, or any other public figure without getting their permission. And that includes Carol Burnett. I remember the episode, and if anything, it was a tribute. An ironic tribute, juxtaposing the setting against her clean-cut image, but still a tribute. Which apparently she didn't deserve.

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