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    Re: Nude tweens should not be "Disney" branded

    Ugh, did you hear the rumor about them ALREADY replacing her? With one of the freakin Cheetah Girls, now if it is true, High School Musical and the Cheetah Girls will meet and it will cause a terrible movie. Anyways, if Disney is such a kid channel then they will never really find out about what she did. If I was, say 10 or younger maybe even a little older than that, I don't think I would find out about it, but whatever times change. What's so wrong with sending sexy pictures to your boyfriend? How was she to know that they would get leaked because some people just don't have lives and have to ruin others (hints Hudgens pictures on the Internet everywhere). *Sigh* and I agree with the people above, she is getting older and eventually she will probably be in nude scenes in movies or even sex scenes. So will Zac Efron for sure, they are almost 20! They won't stay with Disney until they are 78 singing 'Get Your Head In The Game'. Why can't they just do the last movie, with no nudity, and get on with the fact that probably no HSM4. They should just stop at 2 where it is a big hit. (Even though I do love the movies....)

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    Re: Nude tweens should not be "Disney" branded

    >>Anyways, if Disney is such a kid channel then they will never really find out about what she did. If I was, say 10 or younger maybe even a little older than that, I don't think I would find out about it, but whatever times change. What's so wrong with sending sexy pictures to your boyfriend?<<

    With Ludwig VonDrake, Ranger Woodlore and Mickey Mouse, we wouldn't have to even consider this question or imagery in relation to the Disney brand. In discussing the Disney brand, we should be thinking about the hope and faith of Cinderella or the optimism of Pollyanna, not the appropriateness of nude pics for the celebrity boyfriend.

    Walt Disney films were about escapist, timeless family entertainment for the inner child, even when contemporary comedies and dramas - - this Channel tween material is really consumer lifestyle programming designed to sell other commodities through titillation - - it isn't the same thing. Sell it, then, but brand it differently.

    Right now there are two Disney's that don't sync - - and the tweens are replacing the cartoons, art and Walt entirely on TV. That's poor business judgment. The teenagers don't need the Disney name to sell their wares.

    John Lasseter should define the lasting Walt Disney brand through Pixar and Walt material. Let ABC represent the disposable stuff.

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    Re: Nude tweens should not be "Disney" branded

    They should just make a new fully new channel for teens, not like MTV or anything, just like stuff like the High School Musical, Hannah Montana, iCarly, the newer shows. Then replace it with the original disney stuff! Because now we only see it in parks (like you said about the abc and stuff).

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    >>They should just make a new fully new channel for teens, not like MTV or anything, just like stuff like the High School Musical, Hannah Montana, iCarly, the newer shows. Then replace it with the original disney stuff! Because now we only see it in parks (like you said about the abc and stuff).<<

    I totally agree. DTV? MMC?

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    Re: Nude tweens should not be "Disney" branded

    Hmm. Don't know. But it would be easier. And anyway, how do you get 'fired' from Disney? They can't really say that, can they?

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    Re: Nude tweens should not be "Disney" branded

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    Re: Nude tweens should not be "Disney" branded

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    That is TRUE! Seriously, i know she had someone TAKE the picture, but you know she didnt post them.

    I disagree, there ARE self timers on cameras.
    Hint hint, I bet she did it by herself. If I was doing that I would be doing it by myself.

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    Re: Nude tweens should not be "Disney" branded

    So should they show any shows that have real people in them on the Disney channel? It was a teen this time, but what if a naked picture of an older star appeared? Like an earlier poster said, Julie Andrews was topless in a movie once. Should they never show Mary Poppins again? In Hudgens case the picture she took was not for the public to see, in Andrews case, the movie was. Isn't that worse?

    And what if someone were to draw a nude picture of Aurora or Ariel and it got posted on the net? From what I understand, your point of returning the cartoon characters to the air is that they are not corruptible. Except if you type nude Snow White into Google, I bet you get all sorts of interesting results. Now you could argue that those drawings are not Disney Products, and that is true. However, Hudgens photo is not a Disney product either.

    Just curious.

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    Re: Nude tweens should not be "Disney" branded

    I'm just saying diversify - - there is too much reliance on the tweens to carry and define ALL Disney TV branding - - yet I understand the branding department is whining about people losing that "special feeling" for Disney in their research. Might there be some connection? Duh!!! They aren't passing along the heartfelt legacy material!

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    Re: Nude tweens should not be "Disney" branded

    Quote Originally Posted by merlinjones View Post
    I'm just saying diversify - - there is too much reliance on the tweens to carry and define ALL Disney TV branding - - yet I understand the branding department is whining about people losing that "special feeling" for Disney in their research. Might there be some connection? Duh!!! They aren't passing along the heartfelt legacy material!
    Oh well if that is all you are saying then I agree. There is certainly room for Vault Disney and some other programing on the channel. I am not a big fan of the tween programming especially 'That's SO Raven" and I would love to see them rerun episodes of Wonderful World of Disney. However, they shoudl also keep their popular tween shows. There is room for both on the Disney Channel.

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    Re: Nude tweens should not be "Disney" branded

    Ever heard of the channel idea that has been backseat imagineering called Vault Disney?

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    Re: Nude tweens should not be "Disney" branded

    Quote Originally Posted by merlinjones View Post
    >>I'm totally confused by what you are suggesting. Totally.<<

    Pretty simple. Why trust the foibles of teen actors to define a family friendly brand when they can easily be marketed as ABC Family or Buena Vista or whatever, leaving the Walt Disney label to be defined as animation, family comedies, fantasy/adventure, etc., animals, etc as it always was.

    The Disney Channel has abandoned the traditional cartoons, movies and television programs completely in favor of this consumer lifestyle programming - - and that could bite them in the butt if some video shows up one day of their "stars". It's not going to happen with Mickey and Minnie!

    As the old saying goes "Don't .... where you eat." It wise business to keep "Walt Disney" as "the finest in family entertainment" and keep the tweens as a side dish.

    Even Walt marketed Annette's teen/surf records as Buena Vista, not Disneyland. They were "sexy."
    It is not the young actor's job to "define a family friendly brand." That's Disney's job and they do it via their programming, not via how their contract stars behave when they are not in front of the Disney cameras.

    The fact that this woman, who is a consenting adult and has the freedom to make her own choices and moral decisions, was betrayed and private pictures of her ended up in public does not affect the Walt Disney "family entertainment" reputation, except to shallow and judgemental people IMHO. I would agree with you if the actual programming started having that kind of racey content (Cue Mickey Mouse voice: It's 11pm everyone, time for Disney Channel After Hours!) but this event doesn't affect that.

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    Re: Nude tweens should not be "Disney" branded

    >>It is not the young actor's job to "define a family friendly brand." That's Disney's job and they do it via their programming, not via how their contract stars behave when they are not in front of the Disney cameras.<<

    And that's what I'm addressing. Who cares about her personal life?

    >>The fact that this woman, who is a consenting adult and has the freedom to make her own choices and moral decisions, was betrayed and private pictures of her ended up in public does not affect the Walt Disney "family entertainment" reputation, except to shallow and judgemental people IMHO.<<

    I don't judge her - - I judge the company - -- I'm saying this sort of behavior goes with the turf of teenage stars and will continue to - - and likely get worse as we have seen with Lindsey, et al. But if this conversation colors the Disney brand, why depend on it so heavily in your business, especially when the tweens could easily be branded otherwise?

    Let her keep her job and star in a series on ABC. Let Ludwig VonDrake come back to Disney. Then everyone - of all ages - wins.

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    Re: Nude tweens should not be "Disney" branded

    Quote Originally Posted by merlinjones View Post
    >>It is not the young actor's job to "define a family friendly brand." That's Disney's job and they do it via their programming, not via how their contract stars behave when they are not in front of the Disney cameras.<<

    And that's what I'm addressing. Who cares about her personal life?

    >>The fact that this woman, who is a consenting adult and has the freedom to make her own choices and moral decisions, was betrayed and private pictures of her ended up in public does not affect the Walt Disney "family entertainment" reputation, except to shallow and judgemental people IMHO.<<

    I don't judge her - - I judge the company - -- I'm saying this sort of behavior goes with the turf of teenage stars and will continue to - - and likely get worse as we have seen with Lindsey, et al. But if this conversation colors the Disney brand, why depend on it so heavily in your business, especially when the tweens could easily be branded otherwise?

    Let her keep her job and star in a series on ABC. Let Ludwig VonDrake come back to Disney. Then everyone - of all ages - wins.
    I see your point, but you forget, RATINGS power TV. Tweens right now mean ratings. Disney wants their label, their main label, to have good ratings and so Disney Channel gets the tween programming, not ABC. That also does mean that the Disney name could be attached by some to what ever the next tween "controversy" is.

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    Re: Nude tweens should not be "Disney" branded

    >>I see your point, but you forget, RATINGS power TV. Tweens right now mean ratings. Disney wants their label, their main label, to have good ratings and so Disney Channel gets the tween programming, not ABC.<<

    Fine. But they can't even spare Sundays for classic programs to diversify the brand and to perpetuate the "special Disney feeling" to the next generation? I don't think they should run the classics everyday - - to keep them more special - - but they should be run once a week at least in a prominent location, on a "family day/night." If promoted with gusto (which Vault Disney was not by design), that would also get ratings.

    >>That also does mean that the Disney name could be attached by some to what ever the next tween "controversy" is.<<

    That's the problem. A a major shoe (or trou) could drop anytime with these kids, some positioned as the new "Mickey Mouse" in the company hierarchy. It'll happen. Somehow I feel this situation is only a "warning shot" the company should take very seriously in their branding and programming decisions.

    Not providing a programming mix is short-term thinking - - brand value is real value. Perception is everything...

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