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    Angry Re: Boycott against Disney and Its Advertisers

    Quote Originally Posted by PragmaticIdealist View Post
    The voter organization, MoveOn.org, has started a petition, as well.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8s3vbklTXd0

    http://pol.moveon.org/enoughdistractions/
    Now that compilation is worse than anything that happened in the debate. It's true those were all questions asked, but I mean that video makes it seem like those were the only questions asked. Health care, the economy, gas prices, etc were all discussed in the debate. The thing is, we already KNOW their stances on these issues. Most of the country has ALREADY voted. We KNOW what they have to say about healthcare. The candidates have come to our towns and talked to us about these issues. They've given their stump speeches OVER and OVER. This debate was on ELECTABILITY. Who can beat John McCain? Who is better able to do that? That was the focus of this debate. The country already knows what Hillary and Obama think about health care. We actually learned a lot about these candidates on other issues in this debate that we have never heard them on before. That's why this was a good debate. We don't need to hear about health care or Iraq again. We have heard the same old tired and rehearsed speeches on those topics for a year now. I have noticed something about these two candidates, and that video really points it out, especially on Obama's side. He just rehashes the same material from his stump speeches over and over again. It's really time to "move on" from that. Get to OTHER issues, like the ones discussed in this debate and electability, because ELECTABILITY is what really matters at this stage in the game.


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    Re: Boycott against Disney and Its Advertisers

    I just watched the debate on the ABC News website and, wow, that was a horrible debate on ABC's part. I think CNN has conducted the best debates, even NBC was a bit on the attack towards Hillary Clinton. Such a shame that ABC News would stoop down to that level by constantly instigating another argument to break out between the two, asking them questions on every past controversy that has been discussed over and over and that did not need to be discussed again.

    I was hoping that the media would for once forget about all these stupid controversies that keep on being brought up and focus on the real issues that voters, and voters of Pennsylvania in particular in this case, care about. Unfortunately, in the end it's the media and what people see covered on television is what has a large influence on most people. It makes you wonder, if television or the media weren't there to constantly bring all this up, would this campaign be the same? The media has largely been in support of Obama, paying more attention to all of Hillary Clinton's controversies and issues that were brought up.

    Did we hear any news coverage when an Obama campaign office in Texas was seen with a pro-comminusm Che Guevera flag? No. Yet we always hear about all of Clinton's drama. Never have I heard the news really take an in depth look at the candidate's views on issues, yet we hear about all the little controversies every day.

    I'm a big fan of Disney and ABC, and I'll gladly take part in this boycott to help spread the message that this debate was wrong and the real issues need to be discussed (even though I don't really visit Disney's sites, watch their television networks, or plan on going to the parks anytime soon as it is)
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    Re: Boycott against Disney and Its Advertisers

    Quote Originally Posted by PragmaticIdealist View Post
    Everyone has a right to boycott a company if he or she chooses.
    You're absolutely right, they do. Even for causes as shallow and inconsequential as this one.
    Last edited by disneytim; 04-19-2008 at 10:36 PM.

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    Re: Boycott against Disney and Its Advertisers

    The questions ABC's personalities asked on shallow and inconsequential matters have the potential to impact the American electoral process in very significant ways.

    C-SPAN is currently presenting a Robert Iger interview in which he expressed his "strong disagreement" with Senator Obama, regarding his criticism of the consolidation of media outlets. Iger even said that Obama was mired in "old-world politics." And, here we are. Disney is among the last 11 entities from which 90% of Americans get their news, and the type of news they get is hardly fair and balanced. So, Senator Obama seems justified in his concerns. And, Robert Iger seems to have embarrassed himself with his April 8 remarks in light of the debate debacle.

    The American democracy depends on having an informed electorate, and that democracy needs more than the likes of Fox News informing said electorate. Editorial discretion is being compromised, and deregulation has clearly resulted in a narrowing of the diversity of voices.

    The irony is that the debate ABC scripted to potentially disadvantage candidates who express an interest in restoring regulations may result in getting the American people to focus on the need for the very same regulations to be restored.
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    Re: Boycott against Disney and Its Advertisers

    The American people would be well-served by seeing this boycott expand to become a criticism of media consolidation, in general. And, ABC News would be well-served by sending Gibson back to his coffee-and-donut chit-chat and by sending Stephanopoulos back to his P.R. flackery for the Clintons.

    Based on the way they've been conducting themselves recently, they're going to need all the spin-doctoring they can get.

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    Re: Boycott against Disney and Its Advertisers

    One quick question. How much longer is all this going to last? Isn't there a time limit on how long theses two can vie for the Democratic ticket?


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    Re: Boycott against Disney and Its Advertisers

    Quote Originally Posted by krystledm View Post
    Isn't there a time limit on how long theses two can vie for the Democratic ticket?
    I think the only time limit is when one wins the amount of delegates needed!

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    Re: Boycott against Disney and Its Advertisers

    Quote Originally Posted by PrincessY View Post
    I think the only time limit is when one wins the amount of delegates needed!
    so when does the REAL election begin? just when these two finish?


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    Re: Boycott against Disney and Its Advertisers

    Quote Originally Posted by krystledm View Post
    so when does the REAL election begin? just when these two finish?
    As soon as the 2008 National Democratic Convention concludes in Colorado on August 28th. There really is no way either Clinton or Obama can reach the needed 2025 delegate count before then, so it will be up to the Super Delegates to decide at the convention.


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    Re: Boycott against Disney and Its Advertisers

    Personally I could care less about the questions they were asked. The questions, and their answers, mean nothing to me. It's their actions that I look at.

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    Re: Boycott against Disney and Its Advertisers

    Quote Originally Posted by Aura of Foreboding View Post
    As soon as the 2008 National Democratic Convention concludes in Colorado on August 28th. There really is no way either Clinton or Obama can reach the needed 2025 delegate count before then, so it will be up to the Super Delegates to decide at the convention.
    It's really a foregone conclusion that Senator Obama will win the nomination because his lead in elected delegates and in the popular vote is insurmountable. And, the super-delegates, as a body, will not overturn the will of the people, as it's been expressed by those two measures.

    If the super-delegates did do so, they would cause many registered Democrats, as well as several independents and Republicans, to boycott the Democratic Party, and the nominee would surely lose in November. So, many people question the reason Senator Clinton is still running when virtually everyone agrees that she has no chance of winning both the nomination and the Presidency.

    Some have speculated that she is attempting to cause Senator Obama to lose so that she'll be able to run in 2012, and others believe she may be staying in the race to help Senator McCain because both of them are receiving their money from federally-registered lobbyists and PAC's. And, as long as people continue voting for Senator Clinton in the remaining contests, she'll still be able to continue her efforts to destroy Senator Obama's chances in November.

    Another possible motivation for her to stay in the race is that she is raising money so she can pay herself a better salary or so she can stockpile those funds for a future campaign. However, I expect fewer people will continue donating to her when they realize just how impossible her chances of winning the Democratic nomination in 2008 are.

    Senator McCain's campaign obviously wants her to stay in the race so she "bloodies-up" Obama, to use Rush Limbaugh's term, because McCain knows that he'll have difficulty doing so, himself, since negative campaigning hurts the person engaging in it. And, the news media want Clinton to stay in the race because their ratings and readership have markedly risen during this nominating process. And, as the campaigns spend money on advertising, the media outlets increase their ad. revenue substantially.

    For these reasons, Senator Obama is being attacked from all sides, but the only way the process will end is when people stop contributing money to Senator Clinton's campaign and when they stop voting for her in the remaining contests. The uncommitted super-delegates now need to start declaring their intentions, as well, to show that the party is coalescing behind Senator Obama.
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    Re: Boycott against Disney and Its Advertisers

    C-SPAN's video of Ken Auletta's interview with Robert Iger is available at this page:

    http://www.c-spanarchives.org/librar...ts_id=202846-1

    In the video, Robert Iger speaks about the consolidation of mainstream media outlets as being an innocuous thing, even though the recent debate suggests otherwise.

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    Re: Boycott against Disney and Its Advertisers

    Quote Originally Posted by PragmaticIdealist View Post
    It's really a foregone conclusion that Senator Obama will win the nomination because his lead in elected delegates and in the popular vote is insurmountable. And, the super-delegates, as a body, will not overturn the will of the people, as it's been expressed by those two measures.

    If the super-delegates did do so, they would cause many registered Democrats to boycott the party, and the nominee would surely lose in November. So, many people question the reason Senator Clinton is still running when virtually everyone agrees that she has no chance of winning both the nomination and the Presidency.

    Some have speculated that she is attempting to cause Senator Obama to lose so that she'll be able to run in 2012, and others believe she may be staying in the race to help Senator McCain because both of them are receiving their money from federally-registered lobbyists and PAC's. And, as long as people continue voting for Senator Clinton in the remaining contests, she'll still be able to continue her efforts to destroy Senator Obama's chances in November.

    Another possible motivation for her to stay in the race is that she is raising money so she can pay herself a better salary or so she can stockpile those funds for a future campaign. However, I expect fewer people will continue donating to her when they realize just how impossible her chances of winning the Democratic nomination in 2008 are.

    Senator McCain's campaign obviously wants her to stay in the race so she "bloodies-up" Obama, to use Rush Limbaugh's term, because McCain knows that he'll have difficulty doing so, himself, since negative campaigning hurts the person engaging in it. And, the news media want Clinton to stay in the race because their ratings and readership have markedly risen during this nominating process. And, as the campaigns spend money on advertising, the media outlets increase their ad. revenue substantially.

    For these reasons, Senator Obama is being attacked from all sides, but the only way the process will end is when people stop contributing money to Senator Clinton's campaign and when they stop voting for her in the remaining contests. The uncommitted super-delegates now need to start declaring their intentions, as well, to show that the party is coalescing behind Senator Obama.
    Too bad we live in a society that makes strong use of democratic principles...


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    Re: Boycott against Disney and Its Advertisers

    Quote Originally Posted by Aura of Foreboding View Post
    Too bad we live in a society that makes strong use of democratic principles...
    I know. The Democratic Party never should have introduced these unelected "super-delegates" into the nominating process.

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    Re: Boycott against Disney and Its Advertisers

    Quote Originally Posted by PragmaticIdealist View Post
    The questions ABC's personalities asked on shallow and inconsequential matters have the potential to impact the American electoral process in very significant ways.
    Yes, unless it is noted by nearly every other news outlet that this was a sham of a debate and that no one should pay any attention to it and that any further attempts by ABC to cover the election should be viewed with suspicion.
    Now, if there are actual voters out there that watched this debate but no critiques of it, then maybe they were swayed into voting some way.
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