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    I'm not in disagreement with you Tangaroa. I hate seeing Knott's lose all of its history and unique charm at the expense of some ugly new rides. The point I was trying to convey was that this trend of decay was in motion long before Cedar Fair took over, and therefore they are not completely to blame as some previous posters had stated. I'm in no way trying to defend this destruction of what Knott's once was, but instead am just trying to find some sort of silver lining. If the inevitable is that some historic piece of Knotts' charm is going to be replaced with a roller coaster, I would rather it be with Xcelerator or Silver Bullet than with Windjammer or Jaguar.

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    Memories

    I haven't been to KFB in ...YEEEEEARS. My mom would take me to the "lax" area before she even thought of taking me to DL. (she's even got proof of me being a tree-hugger back in '79 too but we'll "sidestep" that part of history! )

    there used to be in this area, a carousel with other animals (ie tigers, etc) as well as a donkey ride and....Tom Sawyer Island type of fun house area. I think they got rid of the fun area for Camp Snoopy. I always wondered what happened to the donkey ride.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tangaroa
    Yes - but what era? 1940s, or 1980s?
    Wow 1980's sounds cool!

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    The only thing I recomend is Knots Scary Farm but even that has been getting bad over the past few years. I still go there for the chicken but thats about it nowadays.

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    You think it's a buger, but its Knott

    Yeah, I really miss the Roarin' 20s themed area, the Soap Box racers, and such. But, for all you die-hard fans of the Knott's Autopia clone, you guys can ride it one last time at Old Tuscon studios in Tucson, Arizona. They moved the entire ride there, advertisments and all; I couldn't believe it.

    I am really upset about the removal of buildings in the Ghost Town area and what did they do? Fill in that lake a built coasters on it? Hmm... Haven't been there in awhile (as you can see) so I guess I can't complain much.

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    With the way DL and still Magic Mountain had been allowed to be run into the ground, many park enthusiast consider KBF to be the best SoCal park. But it is sad how much history has been lost, and unfortunately that's progress. As others have stated, the Knotts made some pretty bad mistakes themselves, ripping out the world's very first modern looping roller coaster for a inferior coaster than can be found at over 40 other parks worldwide. And removing the one of a kind beloved Soap Box Racers for the lemon that was Wind Jammer. Even though the original KBF was a wonderful and different park, the Knotts just didn't know how to properly manage a modern theme park in these times and attendance suffered because of it.

    Had CF not bought the park and it was sold off to developers instead, there'd probably be condos there now. So even though I do hate to see so much park history being removed, I'm happy that so much of it still survives. There's still much charm and history to be found the old farm. And if you do happen to love thrill rides like me, the additions are indeed some of the best in the industry.

    If I had $10 million to blow, I'd volunteer to enclose the Ghost Town under one roof and paint the ceiling ala POTC, so it would always be night in Ghost Town (the best time to stroll around!). Then the views would no longer be ruined by the new modern thrill rides looming over Calico Square and such, and CF wouldn't be allowed to remove anymore of Ghost Town.

    So to answer the original question, yes KBF is definitely worth checking out. But like every other park in the world, it's not the same as it used to be. Stack it up against most of these other parks though, it's still one of the world's best all around theme parks.

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    Knott's / Church of the Reflections

    I read in this thread (and elsewhere) that the Church of Reflections had been moved across the street, to somewhere near Independence Hall.

    Well, I went out to the free area of Knott's (what's left of the old MarketPlace) today, and decided to take the underpass over to the Independence Hall area (where I haven't been for ages). The Hall is still there, the old Jungle Island area has been partially paved and turned into a corporate picnic grounds. The small lake/pond behind Independence Hall is still there, and still has hungry ducks. But there is no Church of the Reflections anywhere in sight. If it's there, it must be well-hidden. Does anyone know what really happened to it? Did they just tear it down and lie to the press (about rebuilding it) to avoid bad P.R.?

    If anyone knows for sure, please post.

    I was in for a real shock when I walked along the strip of shops on the east side of Grand. The shops at the south end of that strip (long ago, this included the leather shop and a toy shop) were closed up, and a sign said something else was coming in there. I looked at the sign, and it said that a TGI Friday's was coming in. That's right, Fridays! At Knott's Berry Farm. Right across from their Chicken Dinner Restaurant. Incredible. I knew Knott's was throwing tradition to the wind, but when they start closing their own shops and letting medicore, outside franchises move in, the end may be in sight...

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    The true tragedy is, that those ghost town buildings were NOT reproductions they were the real deal. So its like taking priceless museum artifacts and smashing them with a sledgehammer then throwing the pieces to the winds. Walter Knott took a lot of unnecessary time and trouble to relocate those old buildings and fix them up so that people would always remember the past and learn from it. Even during the time period many thought he was nuts to do what he did. Such a shame what has happened.

    The church of reflections fell apart quite literally when they tried to move it (after all it too was not a replica but the real thing), so the plan was to rebuild a replica of it elsewhere, however whether they actually built it or not I have no idea.

    The church of the transfiguration was not where the church of reflections was, I beleive it was across the lake. It was housed in a little adobe church built for the show. The transfiguration show I beleive featured some of the earliest use of blacklights in a theme park, it certaintly preceded any of the Disney dark rides in fantasyland.

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    So then what is the church that is currently located inside the park?

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    The Church is located near the entrance to Soak City, it has its own private entrance off of the main parking lot.

    They basically built a new frame for safety and earthquake, but they saved all the stained glass windows, the church bell, and most of the internal fixtures, including the pews were relocated.

    Cedar Fair really hasn't touched Ghost Town, all the buildings are still there. They have started a major refurb project, which has required some reworking of Porches and such, but the buildings remain....
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    Cedar Fair has cut the heart out of the park and the Knott Family let it happen. I worked there for a while in the early eighties and saw thw whole thing start to erode. there will come a day when people really miss what it felt like. KBF was true folk art, Americana. It unlike so many other places felt real and sincere as to what it was. Walter gave it a point of view and that made it special. Chickens in the parking lot, Boysenberries smelling up the joint. Real prospectors walking the streets. Don't forget the devil running the volcano!

    Disney should be that sincere.
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    Church

    >The Church is located near the entrance to Soak City, it has its own private
    > entrance off of the main parking lot.

    When I was there last week, I walked through the underpass, past the pond, and circled Independence Hall (on foot). I walked right past the main gate for Soak City (it was closed), and back past the duck pond. I didn't see the church anywhere. Could you be more specific about its exact location?

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    If you know where the Picnic Area is, and the Buena Park Mall, it is basically straight east from the picnic area, facing the Mall..

    Another way of looking at it is that the Main Parking lot is basically L shaped, surrounding a rectangle....

    The North side of the rectangle is where most folks find the sidewalk to the park (West end), farther east is part of the picnic area, and the far east end is actually part of the church area, the rectangle then faces the east. The Church is about in the middle of the east side, the south end of the east side of the rectangle is a pathway to the Soak City entrance, Independence Hall and the river the ducks hang out in. Basically, the best view of the church is from the area of the parking lot that closest to Soak City.
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    Church

    Thanks for the info on the church. I'll look for it again the next time I'm at the park, and will post again when I find it.

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    Did Knotts ever have the stunt show outside the arena? I could swear that I had a photo album with a few pictures of the guys doing their show on the streets and buildings.
    Can anyone confirm that?
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