I am also pretty new in collecting pins. I get my pins off of ebay. When i go to Disneyland, i want to trade with CM's. Now i want to make sure they i don't get a fake. There has been some hints on this thread on what to look for such as smell of gasoline, pin trading backstamp, thickness, and looking on pinpics.com
Is their any other way to see if it is fake or not?
In reply, that's very true - you just have to find some good sellers and stick with them. If you buy a lot and they are all the same pin or the same set of pins (like, 25 pins all the same set) then they're probably fake.
There are one out there that are called scrappers. Often these will be the "Hidden Mickey" pins that you must trade CMs for. They are ones that Disney ordered and had made and shipped to the US, but did not pass their quality control. Color might be off or there is metal fill in spots where there should not be. Ideally, they should stay in the Disney warehouse until they are taken and distorted, but there was a problem last summer where one employee at the Ontario warehouse was stealing them and selling them cheep or so the rumor has it. Rumor also has it that said employee was caught in a sting and termed. But we never really know. But the scrappers did stop showing up in such quantity after that supposed sting and term.
Scrappers is also used to define those same pins that someone is buying from the manufacturer in China. They may have thousands more already made but Disney tells them to destroy them (ie, "scrap" them) because they did not pass quality in the initial batch and want them fixed. So the factory has the option to trash them or sell them off to someone under the table.
Ok, so I have no real official story for the above ones, but that is generally believed by all the traders I know. Not really counterfeit by the true meaning of the word, but more ill-gotten pins.
Then there are the "Sedesma" and "ProPin" pins. They are not really counterfeit either. Those are manufacturers that, AFAIK, originally had licensees to make Disney pins, but they have since lost them. But they still make the pins with the Disney copyright on the back. These pins often just look cheep compared to normal Disney pins. Sometimes, they are even plastic and not metal. Not counterfeit, just not well made or made legally from what I know.
And last, but not least, are the "Fantasy" pins. These are just fun pins that someone made or had made and are often just one-offs. They are usually subject matters that Disney would NEVER put on a pin. The one often described to new traders is the one of Jessica, naked, on a Motorcycle. That is also one of the more tasteless ones that I know of. Some are rather nicely done and tasteful, just an image Disney would never do. I know a guy who has a pin of Alice kissing the Hatter. Its not sexual or obscene, but still something that would never be made.
But I guess I forgot to mention that there are sometimes just real counterfeit pins out there. Though I see them less than just the scrappers and such as I mentioned above.
And I know that when I get crap pins and such, I just throw them away as fast as possible. Im sure if you were to go foraging in the bushes down by the DTD Pin Traders, you would find a lot of pins out there. I know I've thrown my fair share of sedesmas and such over the edge.
So, yeah, it just irks me when someone calls any bad pin a counterfeit one. Sometimes they are, but most of the time, they just want to seem to call them that rather than really define what it is.
Just because we call them counterfeits, the scappers, does not mean we don't know the details. :ap:
What is DTD pin traders?