Shanghai Disneyland

[TimmyTimmyTimmy]

Originally Posted by RandySavage

Designing a park to "weather" a particular audience is an interesting topic for discussion.

I must have grown up in a sheltered bubble of genteel people (NJ), because I remember visiting WDW as a kid being appalled after seeing some people stick their chewing gum on the queue railings at certain rides.

Later, I visited DLP and witnessed parents encouraging their children to defecate in the shrubs on Adventure Isle, and I remember thinking that these standards of behavior make my fellow Americans look great.

From what I understand, the Japanese are at the top of the behavior scale, making wear&tear on TDR parks much more manageable (DLP was built with TDS-level detailing but has suffered a lot of abuse).

From what I'm hearing, the mainland Chinese may be as tough on their SDL as the Europeans are on DLP.

Of course, there are ways to design a theme park that address this problem.

The europeans are tame in comparence to the chinese, trust me on that.

[EaglesFreak1]

I can see Shanghai Disneyland being like a Disneyworld, where it is on alot of land, or a Disneyland, where it would be built around the city's center.

[Tyler1994]

Im sure its going to have lots of land and a large Magic Kingdom, they definitely don't want to make the same mistake Eisner and the rest of Disney made when building Hong Kong Disneyland.

[stitchrulz]

SHDL is reportedly being built in the Huanglou district, between the city center of Shanghai and the international airport, on 2,000 acres of land, compared to HKDL mere 320 acres.....
They've got plenty of land to work with if this is the truth. But WDW's 27,400 acres makes any other Disney resort look small.
Any more news regarding SHDL????

[Hathaway Browne]

^I believe it may have a Toy Story Playland as when they announced it for HKDL it stated "exclusive to Asia for the first 5 years of operation".

[RandySavage]

Originally Posted by Tyler1994

Has anyone seen concept designs for Shanghai Disneyland?

I think that a solid argument exists that the above is an early concept painting for the Shanghai park

1. It is for "a new Disney theme park" and the only one on the short term board right now is Shanghai.
2. Internet "insider" rumors have suggested that SDL will be a different take on the Magic Kingdom archetype (i.e. could be arranged around a large body of water like IOA, rather than standard hub/spoke design).
3. Some have argued that this painting is only a blue sky concept, not tied to any specific location. I say, a for-profit company doesn't (wisely) waste resources on producing/publishing a work like this unless it is for a potential project. The project may not happen (like below), but it is grounded in real intentions.

4. TWDC has a history of sneaking early concept art for its next park into the annual reports (the following is from the early 90s):

[Asa]

HK govt officials have said that the SHDL will start small and grow after it opens. It won't start as a huge park.

China has a lot of property law problems. You can buy a house and then have it taken from you by the govt, who will just say, in as many words, it is no longer yours.

[stitchrulz]

I just hope that the Beijing Disney knock off/rip off is closed soon... It's such a disgrace
"It's not Mickey! It's a cat with big ears!!" yea right!! lol

[Hathaway Browne]

Originally Posted by RandySavage

I think that a solid argument exists that the above is an early concept painting for the Shanghai park

1. It is for "a new Disney theme park" and the only one on the short term board right now is Shanghai.
2. Internet "insider" rumors have suggested that SDL will be a different take on the Magic Kingdom archetype (i.e. could be arranged around a large body of water like IOA, rather than standard hub/spoke design).
3. Some have argued that this painting is only a blue sky concept, not tied to any specific location. I say, a for-profit company doesn't (wisely) waste resources on producing/publishing a work like this unless it is for a potential project. The project may not happen (like below), but it is grounded in real intentions.

I could buy that. And if it is true that Shangahi will be "like no other", then surely it'll be better all around? Hong Kong won't have direct ''Magic Kingdom'' style competition as such, and it also placates us fans at the same time by preventing the seemingly "theme park chain" operation style some have criticised the notion of Shanghai for.

Originally Posted by RandySavage

I know they said this was for either Singapore or connected to that abandoned second property in Japan, but we all know the adage, WDI never throws ideas away.

Originally Posted by RandySavage

4. TWDC has a history of sneaking early concept art for its next park into the annual reports (the following is from the early 90s):

They just like to tease...

[Rob™]

One of the concepts created for the Hong Kong
resort was a pirate based themed land.

The land would have elements incorporated from
Port Royal and other archetypes such as Skull Rock.
A full sized rendering of a pirate ship would have sat between
Port Royal and Skull Rock, with a rope bridge crossing from
the town into the jungle island.

Unfortunetaly, the Chinese audience are not too fond
of the perception of pirates. So the idea was let go of.

Hopefully with the new resort coming to Shanghai, this
once proposed land can be revived.

[Hathaway Browne]

I can't see WDI wanting something like that to just be put on a shelf. Sure, if they've been told it won't play well in Asia then its off the cards there. Doesn't mean it can't be utilised somewhere else. Hm.. the possibilities.

[stitchrulz]

So if SHDL would be opening around 2014 when would they need to start construction?

[Rob™]

Originally Posted by stitchrulz

So if SHDL would be opening around 2014 when would they need to start construction?

Not sure exactly when construction will commence,
but it will be the largest Magic Kingdom ever
created.

It has also been reported that Main Street U.S.A., Tomorrowland
and Frontierland will completed be re-imagined.

One can already imagine what the concept art
will look like alone.

[stitchrulz]

Originally Posted by Rob™

Not sure exactly when construction will commence,
but it will be the largest Magic Kingdom ever
created.

It has also been reported that Main Street U.S.A., Tomorrowland
and Frontierland will completed be re-imagined.

One can already imagine what the concept art
will look like alone.

This is just as exciting as World of Color!!!

[Rob™]

I agree.

But at least we know that World of Color
will come way before the Shanghai resort.