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    Re: Hate DLR crowds...go to SFMM NOW!!!

    I went last Friday and it was SUPER crowded but I hard during the week its not too bad.

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    Re: Hate DLR crowds...go to SFMM NOW!!!

    I'd rather have a pleasant atmosphere and fellow guests who don't seem to have just stepped off the prison bus.
    SFMM is the ONLY park that EVER gets judged like this. Every park, and I mean EVERY park has its weirdos and its strange-looking guests.

    Six Flags has a Guest Code of Conduct for a reason. Six Flags also has an on-site Sheriff's Station for a reason. (Before you flip out on that one, both Universal AND Disney also have them! They're just not as visible as SFMM's.) If any guest makes you feel uncomfortable, notify a park security. Otherwise, it's best not to judge people by their appearance. It's beyond ridiculous to judge a park by the appearance of its guests, especially when said appearance is completely within the Guest Code of Conduct pertaining to appearance. The atmosphere at SFMM is perfectly fine.

    Honestly, the only people I ever read these criticisms from are people who haven't gone to SFMM in 5+ years. SFMM has received thousands and thousands of compliments on how much improved it is from years ago, and how pleasantly surprised families are by the appearance of the park, the friendliness & enthusiasm of its employees, the quality of the attractions & food offerings, etc. It's almost a unanimous opinion that, while the park did indeed lapse into incredible suckiness from about 2002-2006, it's now 2010 & the park is VASTLY better than it was during its low point. Disneyland also had a low point from 2000-2005 in terms of upkeep/appearance/quality. Are we judging Disneyland today by what happened then? I don't think so.

    If you haven't been since 2006 or earlier, it's time to go again. Like the OP stated, now is the perfect time to visit on a weekday. Who knows? Maybe you'll write the next complimentary letter stating how pleasantly surprised you were during your visit.
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    Re: Hate DLR crowds...go to SFMM NOW!!!

    ah...I particularly did NOT say they 'looked' like they'd just gotten off the prison bus. Appearance is irrelevant. I was speaking of attitude. Every park gets rude guests. SFMM seems to really have more than their share. A LOT more. And some of them go past rude into almost scary. If the atmosphere isn't 'fun' or 'family friendly' but rather 'prison yard' then I am not interested. That's the impression we left with and the reason I won't go back.

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    Re: Hate DLR crowds...go to SFMM NOW!!!

    ^Agreed. Didn't anyone else just see the *MICECHAT* thread of MICECHATTERS who willing went to SFMM for West Coaster Bash, and had a great time? There seem to be a fair share of us at this forum who also enjoy SFMM (myself included). Both they and Knott's have gotten more of my business lately than Disney because I can't stand all the parking, crowds, and construction nightmares currently going on.
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    Re: Hate DLR crowds...go to SFMM NOW!!!

    I live pretty close to six flags...in caparison to DL...and the last time I went there was 6 years ago and we only stayed half a day. We even bought annual passes and never went back.

    The biggest reason was probably because my 13 year old hated all the rides and it wasn't fun trying to convince her to try them all day, but other than that...it just seemed seedy to me...however it has been 6 years and I think I can get in free now...so maybe I will give it another try,

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    Re: Hate DLR crowds...go to SFMM NOW!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by SnorkletsMom View Post
    ah...I particularly did NOT say they 'looked' like they'd just gotten off the prison bus. Appearance is irrelevant. I was speaking of attitude. Every park gets rude guests. SFMM seems to really have more than their share. A LOT more. And some of them go past rude into almost scary. If the atmosphere isn't 'fun' or 'family friendly' but rather 'prison yard' then I am not interested. That's the impression we left with and the reason I won't go back.
    I agree the crowds went I went was very sketchy. On the contrary, I did not notice any more rude people than I would see at DL, but the appearance of some of the park goers was just scary.

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    Re: Hate DLR crowds...go to SFMM NOW!!!

    You also admit you went 6+ years ago, which is the exact point PeopleMoverMatt was making. It's changed a lot in those intervening years. Look at the West Coast Bash thread and see for yourself.
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    Re: Hate DLR crowds...go to SFMM NOW!!!

    SFMM is the ONLY park (Disney parks included) that you will see EVERY ride manager/employee walking around with trash-grabbers and actually SEE them picking up trash and keeping the place clean. This is NOT just during special event days like West Coast Bash, but EVERY day.

    In EVERY visit I've made to the park over the past 2 years, I've seen Jay Thomas (the park president) walking around, talking to guests, picking up trash, EVERY visit. I've never seen one Disneyland president in the park ... EVER.

    As for the guests, as has been said above, EVERY park is going to have their sketchy guests but I do have to say that the change in attitude from park management ALL THE WAY down to the front-line employees has changed the attitudes of the guests. We spent 17 hours at SFMM the day of WCB, the LONGEST I have ever spent at one time at SFMM. Riding rides during regular park hours with regular guests. Not once did I sense any kind of apprehention because of another guest, not once did I see trash laying around, trashcans full, bathrooms dirty, etc.

    When SFMM was down in the dumps in the early 00's I was the most vocal about how bad the park was because SFMM has always been my home park and I've visited WAY more than Disneyland. I've probably been to SFMM over 200 times and have been to the park from 1979 to now with only a break from going to the park from 2006 to 2008. Why? Because the park was CRAP!!!

    Now I'm more than happy to give SFMM my business.

    So please, as has been said above, if you haven't been to the park in the past few years, do yourself a favor and either A) Go to the park and see for yourself or B) Stop talking and embarrasing yourself by trying to bash the park because of the way it USED to be.
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    Re: Hate DLR crowds...go to SFMM NOW!!!

    ^ what sir clinksalot said!!!

    Prior to WCB I had not been to SFMM for 7 years due to my last visits feeling like the park was run down and not a great place for families. After reviewing sir clinks report from last year's WCB I decided to give the park another chance and go this year. I am glad I did.

    The park is now a safe, fun, well run, them park with enthusiastic park employees. We will be returning. Bottom line if you have not been back to the park in the past 2 to 3 years then you really have not been there.

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    Re: Hate DLR crowds...go to SFMM NOW!!!

    So in the interest of full disclosure, and not wanting to "sugar coat" anything ... found this story on TPR.

    The Signal - Santa Clarita Valley News - Four arrested at Magic Mountain

    Two men and two women from the San Gabriel Valley were arrested at Magic Mountain in Valencia, accused of drunkenly causing trouble, authorities said.

    Steven Michael Saucedo, 24, of Azusa; Henry Angel Nava, 21, of Monterey Park; Vyrle Sophia Galarze, 22, of West Covina; and Francine Ramos, 22, of West Covina are accused of being drunk in the amusement park, creating a disturbance, intimidating other park guests, cussing in the presence of children and refusing to leave the park after being ordered to do so by sheriff’s deputies and security officers, said Sgt. Darren Harris of the Los Angeles Sheriff’s Department, Santa Clarita Valley Station.

    The defendants face a misdemeanor and if found guilty could serve 90 days in a county jail, a fine of up to $400, or both.
    So you can look at this two ways:

    A) Proof that the park sucks

    B) Proof that this marks and improvement in the park.

    Let me clarify B. 5 or 6 years ago, somebody getting removed from the park for being drunk wouldn't have made the paper, even the local paper. Why? Because all of the other problems going on at the park would have overshadowed something so minor. And secondly, I don't think park employess/park guests would have had the nerve to report this 5 or 6 years ago out of fear. Not anymore.

    I have seen on MULTIPLE occasions people getting escorted out of DCA/DtD and it never made the paper.

    And for the record, the park does NOT sell Alcohol, so they can hardly be blamed for these idiots. And Kudos to the park/LACS for getting them removed.


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    Re: Hate DLR crowds...go to SFMM NOW!!!

    I agree that people should try it for themselves. And I know that some people LOVE the place, and that's great.

    I also agree that it is not the park it was years ago. That place was a disgusting skeevy hellhole. The SFMM of today is nothing like that.

    While I standby my opinion of our visit a year ago, I reiterate that everyone should go for themselves. You won't know if you don't go.

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    Thanks guys for striking up the debate. It seems that the naysayers are grounding their argument in an experience they had years ago while the others are claiming that they "try it now". I was part of this pattern as well. While I wouldn't go so far as to claim that the demographic of the guests leaned toward the prison yard set, I will admit that, in certain areas of the park, after dark, there were defenitely areas (the midway games area) that I would avoid due to the gang element proudly on display. The park is a whole lot different now. I understand why someone would be put off by how the park used to be. It was awful. For example, I used to have an annual pass for California's Great America (in San Jose...I live in Ventura!) because I visited THAT park more than the one that's just 30 minutes away! I avoided SFMM for almost 5 years because of the stigma it had EARNED. I took my patronage elsewhere. I was given a complimentary ticket a year ago and went with a friend who convinced me that the park had changed. I left that evening with a new attitude toward SFMM. The improvements were very evident and appreciated. It was obvious that the employees were doing their best to make this park a better place to visit. The change for the better was astonishing. I ended up getting a PREMIUM for both Magic Mountain AND the adjacent Hurricane Harbor (which was not open for summer yet). Based on what I had seen at MM I knew that HH would be worth the money. I visited MM about 5 times before the Summer crowds came and I am now a believer. I understand that the park caters to a different type of park goer than does Disneyland. I understand that. However, Magic Mountain offers many "extreme" thrills that Disneyland does not. Personally, I love DL and like MM. There is room for both of them in my life. I just think that this park deserves a second look. If those kind of rides just aren't your style, that's fine. Improved landscaping, nicer employees, cleaner bathrooms, and and a less "gang" oriented element probably won't change your mind. However, if you love the rides that SFMM has to offer but have avoided the park due to some of the items I mentioned, I ask you to give it another chance and take advantage of the nearly empty park during weekdays between now and Memorial Day Weekend. You will see the park minus the crowds and the heat of the summer. You will see that this park is now a nice place to visit and I just wanted to share that with those who have "written the park off" as a place to be forever avoided. We almost lost this park to developers just a couple of years ago. It was saved due in large part because of the housing bubble and the loss of value of the real eastate under the property. Six Flags very nearly sold off this property but, largely in part to increased customer support, decided to give it another chance and began investing heavily in the park. As far as atmosphere goes, it's never going to be another Disneyland. I don't want it to be. It is, however, reasonably priced (coupons are usually available at one of the fast food chains...right now it's Burger King...$27.50) and delivers on it's promise as an "Extreme Park". I feel that we, as theme park affectionados, owe this park another look-see because it is obviously trying hard to make us happy. If we just write off this park based on something it WAS rather than what it has become, we will be turning our backs on a theme park that did it's best to right the wrongs of the past and that's just wrong on our part. I have never seen such a turn around at any theme park I have ever visited as I have seen at Magic Mountain. It is still a work in progress but it IS progressing. It isn't an overnight job. It takes time. Right now, Magic Mountain is a profitable park. It's just that the parent company is drawing off some of the profits to take care of others in the chain that are in the red, much like what happened at Disneyland when DCA was sucking so much money out of Disneylands profits. So much so that Disneyland wasn't able to do much more than just sustain itself rather than add new shows, rides, and parades of any quality. Indy is 15 years old and it was the last E-Ticket attraction installed. No new E-Tickets since DCA opened at Disneyland. They're coming, but look how long it has taken. I will continue to show my support and, through my actions and patronage, show Six Flags that they are moving in the right direction. However, the purpose of my original post was to announce that Magic Mountain will be going 7-days a week as of now. Once the Spring Break crowds leave, we will be left with a mostly empty park on Mon-Fri before the Memorial Day Weekend. Take advantage of this lull in attendance. Reread my post to see why. I rest my case.
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    Re: Hate DLR crowds...go to SFMM NOW!!!

    It's a lot more fun while one is drunk.

    Maybe someone should do some research to determine the "'What're you looking at?' to eye contact" ratio. I'm guessing this is pretty low at DL, but I'm unsure of the current SFMM ratio.

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    Re: Hate DLR crowds...go to SFMM NOW!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by JesterMn View Post
    You also admit you went 6+ years ago, which is the exact point PeopleMoverMatt was making. It's changed a lot in those intervening years. Look at the West Coast Bash thread and see for yourself.
    and I will quote myself...since you may have missed it....

    Quote Originally Posted by SCUBAbe View Post
    The biggest reason was probably because my 13 year old hated all the rides and it wasn't fun trying to convince her to try them all day, but other than that...it just seemed seedy to me...however it has been 6 years and I think I can get in free now...so maybe I will give it another try,
    if I can get in free I will try it, but I would not pay to go just to see if it has changed.

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    Re: Hate DLR crowds...go to SFMM NOW!!!

    Well, as far as "eye contact" to "what are you looking at ratios", it has been pretty even and rather minimal for me.

    And that is with a sample size of 20+ DLR visits and 14 SFMM visits.

    However, I have encountered much more hostility and rudeness from guests and CM's/employees at DLR.

    I'm not sure what everyone's idea of the average SFMM crowds are but from my visits, I see mainly college age kids, high school kids, and even families. With those college age kids, more often than not they seem to be couples.

    If it's "sketchy" crowds you want to see, Dodger Stadium will be the place to find them.

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