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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    Even Forbes doubts its own findings?

    Because the second link was pulled out of the first article.

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    25 skyscrapers set to alter the city’s skyline (Curbed LA)
    The headline is a little misleading: as the article notes, plans for some of the planned buildings in our region have been around for many years and there’s little sign they’re going forward. Of the 25 buildings that on paper are 20 stories or more, 14 are in downtown L.A., four in Hollywood, four in Century City, two in downtown Santa Monica and one in Koreatown.


    Only a handful are under construction. Good news: as far as I can tell everything on the list is close to a current or future Metro Rail line and numerous bus lines.
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    LAX MODERNIZATION:
    The centerpiece of this mammoth project–now the largest public works project in the country–is the $1.9 billion renovation of Tom Bradley International Terminal, which handles more than 30 airlines and serves half of LAX’s 17 million international passengers. It opens Sept. 18.
    Tom Bradley Terminal has not previously upgraded its infrastructure to keep up with increasing passenger volumes. Passengers frequently overrun the terminal concourse and it typically takes two hours for a passenger to get out of the airport after landing. To improve passenger flow, he redesigned the terminal’s layout, doubling overall space and the number of passenger-control desks. As a result, the new terminal can accommodate 4,500 passengers an hour, twice the previous rate. It now takes 20 minutes to get from the aircraft to the curbside.
    LAX Targets Asian Travelers With $1.9 Billion Terminal Makeover - Forbes

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    ANAHEIM RAPID CONNECTION (ARC): (AKA The Anaheim Streetcar Project)


    August 5, 2013 -- Today, the Voice of OC reports that Disneyland has had input into the development of the Anaheim Rapid Connection system. Wow, what a shock. Public agencies (the smart ones, at least) always consult with and seek input from the public — which includes businesses — when developing transportation projects. Yet, the Voice of OC and squeaky wheels like Cynthia Ward attempt to create the perception that doing so is suspect — at least when it comes to Disney.

    Suppose the City of Anaheim and OCTA developed a transit system for the Anaheim Resort without any input from Disney, the largest single business in the resort? Suppose they broke ground and began construction without ever meeting with Disney and asking “Hey, you guys have 58 years of experience and loads of data on traffic patterns and resort visitor attitudes and habits. What do you think about having ARC stop at Disney Way.” Would anyone consider that intelligent planning?
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    City officials had been considering a segment along Disney Way that included a stop near the resort. But that segment was scrapped in favor of one along Alro Way, which would have the streetcar stop directly in front of Disney's main gate, according to reports from the project's design consultant, PBS&J.


    The reports, which were first uncovered by Anaheim activist and blogger Cynthia Ward, also make it clear that Disney had a heavy hand in the design change, which added millions of dollars to the estimated cost of the project, which now stands at $319 million.


    "There are several technical disadvantages with the variations on Alro Way that were proposed by Disney, including raising the [Southern California Edison] power lines, significant land acquisition, and possible business relocations," states the report from PBS&J, which has since been taken over by WS Atkins, a British firm.


    Specifically, the city must acquire an IHOP restaurant and a hotel and raze both to accommodate the Alro Way option. These properties are among a number of land acquisitions that could cost more than $30 million, officials estimate.


    Anaheim officials insist that Disneyland is not controlling the design of the streetcar project. Public Works Director Natalie Meeks goes so far as to say PBS&J's statements about Disney proposing design changes are inaccurate. City officials also said PBS&J had performance problems that were ultimately resolved.


    Though the Alro Way route certainly benefits Disney, the design change was entirely in the hands of city officials, Meeks said.
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    Alro Way corresponds to the back of the PUMBAA lot (and Disney owns the property behind that) which means an Alro Way alignment seems to cut through the Anaheim Resort District a bit north of Disney Way...

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    DISNEY'S RELATIONSHIP WITH ANAHEIM:

    Our post-war city fathers accommodated Disney — within reason — back when closing Cerritos Avenue was considered a major concession to a private property owner. But as anxious as Mayor Charles Pearson was back in the '50s to be part of Walt’s dream, he and City Manager Keith Murdoch never forgot they were stewards of the public trust, and there were lines that they never stepped across, lines Walt Disney would never ask them to cross in the first place.

    What would those great men think of the crony capitalism that has drafted plans for roughly one billion dollars in recent public spending within the Resort District? Anaheim’s seniors share stories of Walt hocking everything he owned in an effort to complete Disneyland. (When funds ran out for tropical vegetation at the Jungle Cruise Walt uprooted orange trees and planted them upside down, to expose their roots.) Walt would sell stock to anyone who believed in his dream, but not once did Walt demand a nickel from the taxpayers of Anaheim.


    But then, Walt didn’t have Curt Pringle acting as his lobbyist. Yet.
    Community Editorial: Would Walt Disney Have Been So Bold? - Voice of OC | Orange County's Nonprofit Investigative News Agency: Community Editorial Board

    May I point out that the current Mickey and Friends tram does not stop at the main gate either? In fact you cannot even see the entry plaza from the drop point in Downtown Disney, but it does not stop passengers from scrambling over each other to get on the tram. Why bother with trifling details like studies and research?
    Walt Disney and Mayor Charlie Pearson would not recognize the Anaheim we see today, and that is not only a reference to the enormous concrete covering we dropped over the orange groves they knew. Walt would gladly take your check if it was voluntarily offered, but he offered a stock certificate in exchange for that investment. He didn’t want handouts, he wanted partners, and that is what has changed in Anaheim, not for the better. Today we see private demands on public “investments” without offers of return on that investment.

    Oh, you can try the argument for how 5 percent of the city generates 50 percent of our revenues, but those numbers will be debunked in a future article. That Kool Aid has gone sour.
    Not as sour as this article! What do you think?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaliforniaAdventurer View Post
    Alro Way corresponds to the back of the PUMBAA lot (and Disney owns the property behind that) which means an Alro Way alignment seems to cut through the Anaheim Resort District a bit north of Disney Way...

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    So, under or over The 5 at Alro Way (about 170 feet of road)? Across The 5, there is an empty lot. The power lines will get in the way eventually. Maybe, the line could turn north on Anaheim Blvd, travel east along Cerritos, South on Douglas next to The Pond, then onto future ARTIC.
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    That is not the Alro Way option. That is the Gene Autry Way option. Checking Google, Gene Autry Way goes over The 5 freeway, so no need to build a new bridge. And the Mobile homes along Gene Autry WAy appear to have been removed, allowing expansion of the street. Wondering why they're not starting the project already. Probably "due process."

    Just checking something else out: Use the Santa Ana River as the route of the HSR to Vegas! You can follow it from ARTIC all the way to Glen Helen. Or, when it crosses The 15 the first time in Norco, just follow The 15 north to Vegas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sediment View Post
    That is not the Alro Way option. That is the Gene Autry Way option. Checking Google, Gene Autry Way goes over The 5 freeway, so no need to build a new bridge. And the Mobile homes along Gene Autry WAy appear to have been removed, allowing expansion of the street. Wondering why they're not starting the project already. Probably "due process."

    Just checking something else out: Use the Santa Ana River as the route of the HSR to Vegas! You can follow it from ARTIC all the way to Glen Helen. Or, when it crosses The 15 the first time in Norco, just follow The 15 north to Vegas.
    How far up the Santa Ana does the Coastal Commission claim? How much of it is ACOE? Is it still considered the major flood channel for when the Green River dam gives out and washes suburban Corona with it?

    Those are going to have to factor in there.
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    Pretty sure that it can flood very badly.
    I'm not advocating a rail line at water level. Or even the pylons near any possible wetness. Just up one side of the wash.

    I never knew that it went that far. I thought that there was a crest up there, and that everything on the other side drained into the desert or Salton Sea. Maybe I'm thinking too far out, like Palm Springs. I.E. <> Low Desert.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sediment View Post
    Pretty sure that it can flood very badly.
    I'm not advocating a rail line at water level. Or even the pylons near any possible wetness. Just up one side of the wash.

    I never knew that it went that far. I thought that there was a crest up there, and that everything on the other side drained into the desert or Salton Sea. Maybe I'm thinking too far out, like Palm Springs. I.E. <> Low Desert.
    Used to live out there, the big fight was over the Green River developments just East of Corona along the 91 - the dam's been listed as critically in danger for a long time, but the developers were using the seam in the legal system that allowed them to start construction if there's a chance their development would be approved. I read a few of the ACOE reports - that entire area's a massive floodplain leading down into the river channel, pretty sure that's the SA up there.

    Honestly the biggest problem is the likely possible involvement of the CCC if they find that the development has an impact (sedimenting, trash, whatever) along the portion of the river and coast they control.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BogLurch View Post
    Honestly the biggest problem is the likely possible involvement of the CCC if they find that the development has an impact (sedimenting, trash, whatever) along the portion of the river and coast they control.
    Hey, I have nothing to do with that!!!
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    Hahaha very interesting - Sediment explain your screen name for us...

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