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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    There would be ridership.
    On Fridays to Vegas.
    On Sundays to LA.

    Greyhound has some great deals to Vegas. I might try that next time I go solo. $15 for advanced purchase midweek, takes anywhere from 5 hours (12:30AM departure) to 8 hours (6:15AM).

    For me to drive there solo, I get about 30mpg, it's 300 miles. That's 10 gallons, at $4/gal: $40. Takes me about 4 hours to get there. I'd have to get to downtown LA somehow, leave my car there(???), etc.
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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    CENTURY CITY AND HOLLYWOOD DEVELOPMENTS:

    ..There are no up-to-date, detailed fault maps of the whole city. In this case, the city and developer relied on older maps that showed the general location of the fault, but didn't do any further testing to find where the faults are exactly. But Metro has, and they found trouble.

    This is the same fault that Metro steered clear of in its planning for the Purple Line Extension, and is one of the reasons the agency chose to put the planned Century City station further south, requiring tunneling under Beverly Hills High School.
    39-Story Century City Tower Might ALSO Be On Top of a Fault - Quaking - Curbed LA

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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    Quote Originally Posted by CaliforniaAdventurer View Post
    If you think a train from San Francisco to LA has problems, a route from Victorville to Las Vegas would have MINIMAL ridership.
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    Where there is a will, there will be a way.
    Buses.
    Shuttles.
    Private cars.
    Your own car.
    Get dropped off by a friend.
    Train across the Antelope Valley to Palmdale. There is already a track from Palmdale to the southern end of Victorville, so the right-of-way already exists. So, when The 18 crosses over the track at about 263rd Street, the HSR heads due east along The 18 (Palmdale Road) straight into V-Ville.
    Ideally it would be door to door. But having to find a way to get half way there and another to get halfway there is a problem that would stop people from giving up getting in a car and going the whole way.

    It's a like trying to get to NYC and you can only take a plane from Chicago.

    Quote Originally Posted by sediment View Post
    There would be ridership.
    On Fridays to Vegas.
    On Sundays to LA.
    Trains would probably start in that limited way. Then do a Saturday train to LV and have two come back Sunday.

    Then for conventions trains could be added midweek.
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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    Thing is, trains could probably do that now from LA Union Station, if Southern Pacific would let them. not sure what the Las Vegas train station looks like right now, though. It was behind the Union Plaza Hotel downtown, which was the site of the LV Union Station.
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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    Quote Originally Posted by sediment View Post
    Thing is, trains could probably do that now from LA Union Staiton, if Southern Pacific would let them. not sure what the Las Vegas train station looks like right now, though. It was behind the Union Plaza Hotel downtown, which was the site of the LV Union Station.
    Didn't they discontinue the train to Vegas from LA in the 60s because ridership fell off?

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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    Quote Originally Posted by CaliforniaAdventurer View Post
    Didn't they discontinue the train to Vegas from LA in the 60s because ridership fell off?
    Union Pacific still does freight to Vegas through LA and Salt Lake City, but all you can get from Amtrak is Bus service to Vegas. Which is silly, if the rails go through and there's demand to go through, they can simply make it a stop on the train to Salt Lake City.
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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    SAN PEDRO RED CAR LINE:

    Just a bit west of Long Beach, in San Pedro, a couple of replica Red Cars patterned after the 1909 Electric 500-class began operating on another Pacific Electric right-of-way on July 19, 2003. The trains only travel 1.5 miles and only on Fridays, Saturdays, and Sundays, so it's pretty unlikely that anyone but its conductors is using it to commute. However, there have been proposals to extend it to Cabrillo Beach, which would make it almost the equal in length to the Metro Purple Line.

    In the meantime, most people will find walking or biking the length of the area served by the Waterfront Rail easy enough, but the beautiful trains are as much of an attraction as the sites to which they deliver passengers. Currently they run from noon until 9:00 pm on their days of operation, and $1 buys a day pass. Children under six (and everyone this past summer) rides for free.
    On the Waterfront: Riding San Pedro's Port of Los Angeles Waterfront Red Car Line | Block by Block | Land of Sunshine | KCET

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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    Quote Originally Posted by CaliforniaAdventurer View Post
    Didn't they discontinue the train to Vegas from LA in the 60s because ridership fell off?
    the 90's.
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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    Quote Originally Posted by Bruce Bergman View Post
    Union Pacific still does freight to Vegas through LA and Salt Lake City, but all you can get from Amtrak is Bus service to Vegas. Which is silly, if the rails go through and there's demand to go through, they can simply make it a stop on the train to Salt Lake City.
    But there is not enough demand. Only on Fridays and Sundays, maybe. Probably could clear the track for a couple of trains, leave them in Vegas until Sunday, then send them back. Do they have a couple of trains to spare?


    The bus service is from Kingman, AZ, and takes 3 hours. Arrive at McCarron Airport at 3:10AM. Kingman is on the Southwest Chief route.
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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    BEVERLY HILLS VS. TRANSPORTATION:

    Never Built L.A.: What the City Could've Been Gallery - The Hollywood Reporter

    Says here Beverly Hills did in the monorail, too, Sediment. Let's hope they lose on their fight over the Purple Line.

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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

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    How about we build a Hyperloop...
    I didn't know what that was until today:

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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    Quote Originally Posted by alphabassetgrrl View Post
    Oooh, more space to explore!
    At a certain point, it seems like Metrolink would be more effective than taking a light rail all the way from Montclair to Union Station.

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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    GROVE TROLLEY EXTENSION:

    Back in June, [Grove owner Caruso] floated an idea to extend the streetcar that runs through his Grove shopping center out into the real world, in a two-mile loop running to LACMA and the Beverly Center. Turns out he was actually very serious. Today comes word that Caruso and LACMA are joining together to launch a feasibility study to "evaluate the opportunities and challenges of extending The Grove's existing trolley to Fairfax and Wilshire including traffic, environment, design, engineering, and cost analysis. The study will also evaluate multiple connection routes, and it is expected to take six-to-eight weeks." The Beverly Center was left off the press release, so the initial idea of a big loop may have been scrapped, but a line down Fairfax could eventually meet up with the Purple Line Extension.
    LACMA and Grove Owner Collaborating on Fairfax Trolley Plans - On the Trolley - Curbed LA

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