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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    Page 10 of that report is the most important, discussing the opportunities and constraints, like available freeway crossings, utility restrictions, AND Harbor and Katella streetscapes. I take this to mean that these two streets won't be available for mass transit of this nature??

    And, why do Greyhound bus stations always have to be so out of the way (there is one on Anaheim Blvd, 1.5 miles from DL by streets)? Why not simply add this to ARTIC as well?
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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    I think they are just saying that the street appearance is an important consideration, not that they will not use those roads. Most of options use parts of those streets, so clearly they are going to be used.

    While I do like the direction of your idea Sed, of the AFG going to the center of DTD, I see the need for something like that, but I see some things I wouldn't like about it. I don't love the idea of a second, much larger beamway and the associated traffic going through the plaza between the parks. (Which will soon be smaller.) I don't think it would really solve all of Disney's in-resort transportation needs and the city building that would only lead to Disney doing less when they should be doing more. I also don't really think it's the city's problem to get people over to the other side of Disney property. They get them people from ARTIC to a couple of conveniently located stops near the Harbor and if they are visiting DLR it's Disney's responcibility to provide good transportation from there.

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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    Fair enough Bob

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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    Quote Originally Posted by sediment View Post
    Just remember that there is such a thing as "too many stops." Whatever they have in those maps you posted seem fine to me.

    I would prefer:
    1. Along North Route, head straight through resort, instead of turning south on Harbor on a track parallel and above the monorail;
    2. Go south on Disneyland Drive/West Street;
    3. Turn east on Katella, stopping at Convention Center;
    4. Turn southeast after Convention Center, and connect to South end of Central-Split route.
    5. Return to ARTIC, completing loop by going south around Angels Stadium.
    If they setup the stations as a "Pull-Out" where the platform is on a siding and other trains can pass (the PRT model) then there is no such thing as too many stations. (And with a back-siding you can have a seperate area for Handicap loading with no time limits.) The system can route the cars straight to the destination station by the shortest and/or least congested route, and they don't have to stop at each station in order on the route between the two points.

    And None of those alignment options cut across the Esplanande (or make a loop station over the East Esplanade bus zone) for dropping off Disneyland and DCA passengers. And that's the 800-Lb Gorilla in the room - if you don't provide service to the Parks, the highest traffic point in the area and the whole reason for building it, you might as well go home.

    If they use the Monorail or PeopleMover model of one unbroken loop track, no passing sidings, no track switches, then there CAN easily be too many stations - and it wrecks the system utility except for going between two high-traffic stops like ARTIC to Disneyland Period, or Puumba Structure to Disneyland, Period.

    Problem being there are way too many high-traffic points that need to be served, far too many to be served by separate loops or shuttle reversing strip lines. It has to multi-route, be several nested loops with one backbone loop taking Katella over to ARTIC and Orangewood back.

    If every train has to stop at every station in the loop (or every stop in a snaking reversing strip system) you just turned a three minute trip into thirty. And with enough stations to serve the diverse needs, it will not work.

    I'd rather they spend $50 or $75 Million (hat-pick) on something that will work for the next 100 years, versus $25 million on a disaster that will need to be replaced or reworked in 10 or 20 to deal with growth.

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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    It's possible the Anaheim fg will never go on Disney property and you will still need a tram/peoplemover/walk to Pumbaa Garage/garden walk Stn.

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    The other 800-lb gorilla in the room is that Anaheim likely should not favor Disneyland too much, lest there be lawsuits by others wanting favoritism. Heck, even letting Disney contribute to a project could be considered favoritism.

    Now, there could be a good argument in favor of favoritism, by simply pointing to the theoretical "scoreboard" in terms of sales tax revenue AND in terms of the amount of traffic currently generated by the resort that they're trying to lessen. Probably wouldn't fly in court.

    I mean, they should know that there will be some people with their baggage coming on trains, and that any long walk not be welcomed. This could be solved by having each hotel take care of baggage at the nearest drop-off points. I'm sure Disney's hotels wouldn't mind doing that.

    I still recommend a loop and not any complicated switch-track situation. A loop will allow a PM that detaches and reattaches at each "stop" (not really stopping, per se) to let passengers and their baggage off. Heck, the baggage could be checked in at ARTIC.
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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    Next extension will be to the north side of the C shaped gold line: Metro Gold Line Extension - Pasadena to Montclair

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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    Gov. Schwarzenegger Submits Applications for $1.1 Billion in Recovery
    Funds Federally Designated for Intercity and High-Speed Rail

    Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger Aug. 24 submitted 42 applications for $1.1 billion in American Recovery and Reinvestment Act (Recovery Act) funding available through the federal High-Speed and Intercity Passenger Rail Program, under which states compete for $8 billion in funding designated for intercity and high speed rail.

    Federal applications for Track 1, 3 and 4 require focus on improvements to existing passenger rail services for job creation purposes. In adherence to these federal requirements, California's Track 1, 3 and 4 applications focus on improvements to existing passenger rail lines, including the integration of high-speed rail with intercity passenger service. The federal government's Track 2 application focuses on high-speed rail and is due on October 2, 2009.

    "By approving a nearly $10 billion bond in November, voters spoke loud and clear that rail, including intercity, commuter and high-speed, must play a greater role in addressing the transportation and environmental challenges we face in the 21st century," said Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger. "On top of stimulating the California economy, federal investment in California's rail systems will help lay a sustainable foundation for economic growth, help us meet our environmental goals and improve quality of life here in California."

    California is home to the 2nd, 3rd and 6th busiest intercity passenger rail corridors in the nation. With nearly 5.6 million annual passengers, California has more than 20 percent of all Amtrak riders and represents half of the total ridership on Amtrak's state-supported intrastate and intercity services. Since 1990, the state has invested more than $1.3 billion in infrastructure and equipment and more than $900 million in operating support to intercity passenger rail.

    In Recovery Act funding federal designated for highways and local streets, California currently leads the nation with $1.9 billion in Recovery Act funding obligated to 526 projects. Of these, 135 projects worth $1.1 billion in Recovery funds have been awarded contracts to begin work and it is expected that an additional 112 projects, including $722 million in federal stimulus funds, are expected to go to contract by the end of October.

    For a complete list of the 42 applications submitted today please visit: http://www.dot.ca.gov/Recovery/docum...ailProgram.pdf

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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    Quote Originally Posted by CaliforniaAdventurer View Post
    Next extension will be to the north side of the C shaped gold line: Metro Gold Line Extension - Pasadena to Montclair
    That was originally a Red Car line that also was used for local rail freight (they had electric locomotives), and after the demise of the Pacific Electric Ry was ceded back to parent Southern Pacific and used for freight (diesel road switchers) for many years.

    Sometime after the '94 Northridge Quake they decide to take down the rail line overpass (from the median to the south side, crossing the eastbound lanes) west of Santa Anita Ave rather than retrofit it because the rail line had been "officially abandoned" - and it was a fairly new concrete box-girder span rebuilt when the 210 freeway was widened in the 1970's. IIRC, it was even wide enough to be double-tracked.

    They probably spent far more taking the bridge down than it would have cost to patch the damage and leave it up. And from my 60-MPH observations, they messed up the anchorage bases at each end in the process of demolition...

    ...And now they need to remove and replace the anchorages at each end, and put the bridge back up from scratch for the Gold Line. Boy, that's good ol' Government Thinking Ahead for 'ya.

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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    Quote Originally Posted by CaliforniaAdventurer View Post
    Next extension will be to the north side of the C shaped gold line: Metro Gold Line Extension - Pasadena to Montclair
    Might be nice if that line were extended all the way to a mythical HSR (Las Vegas - Anaheim) stop in San Berdoo.
    Or, make it to Ontario Airport (or to Ontario Mills, where, if HSR runs along The 15, the Ontario stop could efficiently be -- lots of parking and all).

    Ah, and I see that there is an "Airport Link Under Study" here:
    http://goldline2ontario.com/goldline/

    EDIT: this web site is pretty old, possibly archaic.
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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    Metro Gold Line Extension - Pasadena to Montclair

    About the Foothill Extension

    Ontario Airport Link is still under study!

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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    Found this interesting tidbit under the link at the bottom of your link about property values near to stations. This one about The BART:

    SAN FRANCISCO. Bay Area Rapid Transit Light Rail. Single-family homes are worth $3,200 to $3,700 less for each mile distant from a BART station in Alameda and Contra Costa counties. Apartments near BART stations rent for 15% to 26% more than apartments more distant from BART stations. Average land price per square foot for office properties also decreased as distance from a BART station increased, from $74.00 per square foot within one-quarter mile of a station to $30.00 per square foot for more than a half-mile distant. Source: The Sedway Group, 1999.
    Disclaimer: I was not part of that group that did the study.

    However, I'm willing to go a little further and claim that houses within a mile to a BART station are worth a good $25,000 more than those a mile further away in the Bay Area. A mile is about the limit for most casual walkers. Maybe two at most. The thought of driving to a crowded parking lot and walking a half-mile from your car makes deciding to walk from home a lot easier. (Which is what I did for two years: walked a mile to The Bart station.)
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    L.A. City Council wants bullet train officials to weigh two options for Union Station

    December 2, 2009
    The Los Angeles City Council unanimously urged officials at the California High Speed Rail Authority today to consider two proposed alternatives for the bullet train stop at Union Station downtown.

    Councilman Ed Reyes said the alternatives were crucial to protecting the residents in East Los Angeles as planners determine the route for the 800-mile bullet train between Northern California and San Diego. Proponents say the train would carry passengers from Los Angeles to San Francisco in about 2˝ hours.

    The two alternatives are:
    • An aerial stop at Union Station where the bullet train would be stacked above Metrolink tracks, or
    • A stop on the east side of Patsaouras Transit Plaza, along Vignes Street.
    A city planner said the second option could minimize intrusions into communities north and south.

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    Stacked would be better, and the available transits should be as close as possible.
    Whole HSR needs to be stacked, above grade. It also requires a lot fewer turns. Question is, how high is too high? How much curve is too much curve?
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