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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    These are such exciting developments. Who'd have thought HSR and the Anaheim FG system would be greenlit projects when we first started discussing Mass Transit in the original thread?

    The original thread: circa 2005-2009

    Mass Transit to Disneyland Resort

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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    Quote Originally Posted by CaliforniaAdventurer View Post
    These are such exciting developments. Who'd have thought HSR and the Anaheim FG system would be greenlit projects when we first started discussing Mass Transit in the original thread?

    The original thread: circa 2005-2009

    Mass Transit to Disneyland Resort
    They're greenlit?? I'll need a link.

    (What's "FG" stand for??)

    Oh, and post #26 in the old thread:

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    Someone should write up "The best way to get to Disneyland by Mass Transit" and submit it as a guest column on MiceAge.com
    I believe this has been handled in Post #5 of this thread. You're welcome.
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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    fixed guideway

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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    Quote Originally Posted by CaliforniaAdventurer View Post
    fixed guideway
    Ah.
    Thanks.

    Still ungreenlit, and the best path (mine) is not being considered!! When will they ever listen to me!!??!!11
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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    Your first post in the old thread might surprise you, sediment.

    You sounded like a skeptic. But thank you for the bus route info!

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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    Quote Originally Posted by CaliforniaAdventurer View Post
    Your first post in the old thread might surprise you, sediment.

    You sounded like a skeptic. But thank you for the bus route info!
    Yeah, I read it. And I wrote it. It is merely a fact of life around here that a car is the optimal way to get around. Best not to have to get around, though.

    I'm only skeptical of extremely expensive projects with overinflated ridership numbers and very nebulous positive externality claims (like lowering pollution of cars replaced from streets).

    Most of my proposals involve existing rights-of-way, low counts of stations to increase speed (in order to attract customers out of their cars, it needs to be as fast or faster of a ride), and places that people already go (like airports or stadia or downtown or Century City or already-existing Metro Rail Lines). And hardly any tunneling (except for The 710 to The 210).

    I thought the Orange Line would do well (tackles all of the above), and I still think an elevated rail along the same line could replace the buses. (Not sure if there has been a crash yet -- knock on wood.) Gold Line is taking people from the San Gabriel suburbs to Downtown at a good clip. Needs to be extended along the existing right of way, all the way to the Ontario Airport.
    Mass Transit in SoCal will only be an alternative to driving, never fully replacing it. But it's a needed alternative. And the proposals need to be sensible.
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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    Good points, I'm with you (for the most part).

    I try not to bee too skeptical of extremely expensive projects with overinflated ridership numbers and very nebulous positive externality claims - or there'd be no progress.

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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    MAP: Map -- latimes.com

    Expo Line project costs and delays are ballooning

    The rail line from downtown L.A. to Culver City is $220 million over budget and a year behind schedule. Officials hope to open part of the route next year.

    Expo Line project costs and delays are ballooning -- latimes.com

    The Expo Line route has long had its critics, who have argued that the line is too far south to effectively serve the Westside.

    The line runs about three miles south of Wilshire Boulevard, missing major job centers in Beverly Hills, Century City and Westwood.

    But MTA planners favored the line in large part because of the cost savings involved in using an existing rail right-of-way.

    Some of the projected cost savings are now coming into question.
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    Hollywood -- Trains, Streetcars and the Movies

    A tour of L.A.'s rich rail history

    A new exhibit, 'Hollywood -- Trains, Streetcars and the Movies,' provides a starting point for presentations and a bus tour.

    A tour of L.A.'s rich rail history -- latimes.com

    ...the debut of the new exhibit "Hollywood -- Trains, Streetcars and the Movies" from the Los Angeles Railroad Heritage Foundation. The night starts about 5 p.m. at Philippe's, in the rear dining room (a.k.a. the train room), where the exhibit -- a 16-foot long display case filled with 14 archival pictures and 26 models of freight cars, passenger cars, street cars and locomotives -- is located. That will be followed by a 7 p.m. presentation at the MTA Metro Board Room in downtown L.A.

    As one of the few railroad enthusiast organizations dedicated to public outreach, the foundation has installed similar displays at six other locations in Los Angeles and Orange counties over the past decade.

    "Ten years ago, no one in Los Angeles was reaching out to the public about railroads," president Josef Lesser says. "And the movies are one of the most common places, especially nowadays, that people see trains."
    At every stop on the route, Cantos, who's an expert on the history of trolleys and public transit in Los Angeles, has prepared archival photos of that location from decades past. Along the way, Wannamaker will hop on board for a brief presentation about Hollywood movie landmarks involving trains and streetcars.

    With much of Los Angeles' rail history largely forgotten or ignored, and with the railroad foundation celebrating its 10th anniversary this year, there was no better time to focus on L.A.'s sometimes hidden rail history.

    "There are literally hundreds of miles of trolley tracks buried just one inch below the pavement of one of the many streets in Los Angeles," Cantos says. "People would be flabbergasted if they knew."

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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    Found this on that tour description:
    Our field trip doesn't end here. We'll also see where the PE Hollywood car ducked into a dedicated right of way down what appears today to be an alley all the way to Santa Monica Blvd. from the corner of La Brea and Hollywood Blvd.
    Sure enough, if you look from Hollywood/La Brea intersection soutwesterly to Santa Monica, you'll find a lot of buildings (likely older ones) slanted the same way. Pretty sweet bit of info.
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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    Quote Originally Posted by CaliforniaAdventurer View Post
    MAP: Map -- latimes.com

    Expo Line project costs and delays are ballooning

    The rail line from downtown L.A. to Culver City is $220 million over budget and a year behind schedule. Officials hope to open part of the route next year.

    Expo Line project costs and delays are ballooning -- latimes.com
    Wonder what the rough breakdown is between federal and local funding. Hope subway and Gold Line inancing isn't set back too badly. At least the Expo line project is underway.
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    Re: Hollywood -- Trains, Streetcars and the Movies

    Quote Originally Posted by CaliforniaAdventurer View Post
    A tour of L.A.'s rich rail history

    A new exhibit, 'Hollywood -- Trains, Streetcars and the Movies,' provides a starting point for presentations and a bus tour.

    A tour of L.A.'s rich rail history -- latimes.com
    Very much enjoy the Sacramento Railroad Museum. Glad to see LA reaching out to the public with similar displays of rail history.
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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    Quote Originally Posted by sediment View Post
    I thought the Orange Line would do well (tackles all of the above), and I still think an elevated rail along the same line could replace the buses. (Not sure if there has been a crash yet -- knock on wood.) Gold Line is taking people from the San Gabriel suburbs to Downtown at a good clip. Needs to be extended along the existing right of way, all the way to the Ontario Airport.
    Mass Transit in SoCal will only be an alternative to driving, never fully replacing it. But it's a needed alternative. And the proposals need to be sensible.
    There have been several crashes along the Orange Line, none fatal. And they dropped off markedly once people got the idea that Stop means Stop, and No Right Turn means... (Oh, and the bus drivers learned not to just barrel through a green light at full speed, too.) Problem is, it still isn't grade separated so traffic problems can affect it.

    Remember, they built the Orange Line as a busway because despite the glorious projections they didn't even think it was going to work, and they could always reuse the buses elsewhere. Now that it's a roaring success, they have to put in Light Rail or better yet a dual-beam Monorail grade separated from the streets above the route and change it all over. Again.

    Would have been a lot cheaper to just rehabilitate the existing tracks and add catenary for a "test system", but oh well...

    Gold Line needs to go all the way to Ontario Airport, Green Line needs to go all the way into LAX, etc. But for some reason the politicians listen to the special interests (taxi drivers?) who Do Not Want it to succeed. The only decent link is Metrolink to Hollywood/Burbank, and you still have a long walk between tracks and terminal.

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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    Long walk? You could walk 5 times that far and not be from one end to the other of LAX's terminals. It's about a city block.

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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    Quote Originally Posted by Ride Warrior View Post
    Wonder what the rough breakdown is between federal and local funding. Hope subway and Gold Line inancing isn't set back too badly. At least the Expo line project is underway.
    Hint: If you say "Please" sediment will find out for you. He's cool like that.
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