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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    Quote Originally Posted by PragmaticIdealist View Post
    sbX is a B.R.T. ...
    "Bus Rapid Transit"?
    That's my current guess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaliforniaAdventurer View Post
    A lot of people confuse Metro Rail (local light rail/subway) with the Metrolink trains that go from city to city and are operated on the Amtrak lines.
    They mix up "trains" (in PI's post) with "buses that look like trains"?
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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    Quote Originally Posted by sediment View Post
    "Bus Rapid Transit"?
    That's my current guess.
    Yes. The Orange Line is a BRT system.

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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    Quote Originally Posted by CaliforniaAdventurer View Post
    http://www.metro.net/riding_metro/ma...map_future.pdf

    Sediment, this map only projects a couple years into the future. I wish I had one that showed everything that's been proposed and has funding to move forward, so we could see what it will look like in 20 years.
    here is an article/map on the next 20 years:
    How Feasible is Antonio Villaraigosa’s 30/10 Gambit for Los Angeles Transit? The Transport Politic
    And here's one for all planned/possible/under construction projects:
    Los Angeles Has Big Transit Ambitions, But Which Project Comes First? The Transport Politic

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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    Quote Originally Posted by sediment View Post
    They mix up "trains" (in PI's post) with "buses that look like trains"?




    The rail right-of-way at the main terminal runs East and West. And, the first sbX corridor there runs North and South between Loma Linda University and San Bernardino State University.

    High-speed rail (Los Angeles; San Diego; Phoenix; and, Anaheim/Long Beach) would cross this first sbX corridor below grade.





    As many as seven Metrolink lines (San Bernardino Line; Inland Empire-Orange County Line; 91 Line; Riverside Line; 2012's Perris Valley Line; Coachella Valley Line; and, Victor Valley Line) would come into the terminal at grade from the West, and the old 1918 station will be used to queue the trains and to manage this rail traffic.





    Magnetic levitation (from: Victorville; Las Vegas; St. George; Salt Lake City; Denver; etc.) would enter the terminal above grade from the West.

    The light rail and other people-mover systems would enter the terminal at or above grade from the East. These include the service to and from: the University of Redlands; San Bernardino International Airport; and, Big Bear Lake. In that way, no fixed-guideway service at grade will cross the sbX corridor and interfere with the headways of the B.R.T. vehicles.



    The terminal will also include services without fixed guideways, such as: Omnitrans' local jitneys; Omnitrans' freeway-running commuter buses from Riverside, Yucaipa, etc.; and, smaller transit services, like MARTA (from Lake Arrowhead; Crestline; Running Springs; and, Big Bear Lake) and the Victor Valley Transit Authority.

    Amtrak conventional interstate rail will continue to provide service on two lines at the old 1918 station where Metrolink will also continue making stops. And, a new four-level park-&-ride structure is just now breaking ground there to help discourage intermodal connections between high-speed rail and private automobiles since that arrangement promotes sprawl.







    The 1918 depot, as well as all of the sbX and light-rail stations, are being planned with medium- to high-density transit-oriented development, as well as clean-energy car sharing (subscription-based car rentals), that will help transform existing activity centers and traditional neighborhoods into self-contained urban villages that feature a stronger mix of uses.



    The largest of the transit-oriented developments is the transit village connected to the intermodal terminal. Designed by Cooper Carry with engineering by Arup, the village is part of the Vision & Action Plan EDAW-AECOM created based on recommendations the Urban Land Institute provided for San Bernardino's city center in conjunction with the Southern California Association of Governments (SCAG), the metropolitan planning organization for the entire six-county region.







    San Bernardino is situated atop an underground aquifer that is estimated to be the size of Lake Tahoe. This fact puts the area at greater risk of liquefaction during an earthquake, but this water provides the San Bernardino Valley with a reliable supply for a population that is estimated to grow by one million people within the next 10-20 years. The Inland Empire, as a whole, already contains four million residents, and the region has been among the hardest hit by the Great Recession.

    Preliminary engineering is now underway by PACE Advanced Water Engineering to "daylight" the natural waterways that traverse the city center, and additional canals with circulatory waterborne transportation are being considered for the narrow mid-block streets that are being added to the transit village.





    Lastly, two East-West sbX corridors are proposed for Route 66 and for San Bernardino Avenue, which will connect Ontario and San Bernardino International Airports. The Route 66 Line is now fully funded.



    This model is designed to show the five-year plan for the city center of San Bernardino:











    The 215 freeway is now undergoing an $800 million modernization and expansion (to be completed in 2013) thanks to funds from President Obama's American Recovery and Reinvestment Act. The Intermodal Transit Center, also opening in 2013, is fully-funded at a quarter of a billlion dollars. The first sbX corridor, which will be finished in late 2012, is costing $241 million. A $5 million remodeling of Seccombe Lake is now underway. And, a new LEED-Platinum State and County courthouse will also open in early 2013 at a cost of $349.1 million.





    The first piece of the Vision & Action Plan for the city center is Theatre Square, which is targeting young adults with an authentic and distinctly-urban nightlife and retail mix that is being crafted by John Fransen who created Santa Monica's Third Street Promenade.













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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    Getting back to this side of the world....

    Burbank pushing for high-speed rail stop at Bob Hope Airport

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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    Thanks, PI. That's clears up a lot.
    Yes, the pic's and drawrings (sic) look tres cool.

    Does the current Metrolink flow through this plot of land on its SB-Riverside path? I'm guessing no, as there is a track that heads directly south and roughly follows The 215. Question is, could it? Maybe following along a southwesterly flowing wash.

    first up: mag-lev to LV!!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaliforniaAdventurer View Post
    Getting back to this side of the world....

    Burbank pushing for high-speed rail stop at Bob Hope Airport
    Not sure how the HSR would deviate from the right-of-way to get to the airport.
    Off to Google map, again....
    OK, the Santa Clarita Line passes right by the North edge of the runways. Possibilities are endless. Putting the terminal on the Northeast quadrant of the runways, and having the HSR run parallel to the runway on its slight detour -- above or below ground, as that whole quadrant could be dug up (probably cleaned up from alleged Lockheed waste) to build the terminal.
    I like below ground, as the HSR is better off crossing under East-West runway on its way to the Ventura Line's right-of-way.

    Steps:
    1. Make parking lot and structure in that big empty area on West side of Hollywood Way between Winona and Tulare. (I think this is the Lockheed waste site. SuperFund?)
    2. Build terminal on current lots (long-term?) in Northeast Quadrant.
    3. Build HSR station into terminal and build have HSR turn SSE from SanFernando Rd and Avila Ave, parallel to N-S runway.
    4. Build tunnels under East-West Runways for HSR AND unmanned transport to current terminal. (Heck, might as well keep that terminal or something like it over there. There will be more air traffic with trains coming through. There will still be parking over there.)
    5. HSR track will continue eastbound along Metrolink Ventura line Right-of-Way, then south all the way to Union Station.
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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    I think they're thinking of having the single Burbank station be at the corner of San Fernando Rd and Hollywood Way. Then, eventually, they want to build a new terminal on the north side of the runways and that would be steps away and accross the street from the new station.

    But the problem is people coming in from Ventura County's Metrolink couldn't plug in very easily to the system.

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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    Riverside seems SO FAR AHEAD of Burbank right now.

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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    Quote Originally Posted by CaliforniaAdventurer View Post
    I think they're thinking of having the single Burbank station be at the corner of San Fernando Rd and Hollywood Way. Then, eventually, they want to build a new terminal on the north side of the runways and that would be steps away and accross the street from the new station.

    But the problem is people coming in from Ventura County's Metrolink couldn't plug in very easily to the system.
    The transit I was speaking of, from old terminal to new terminal can easily be extended to the Ventura Line.
    I'm thinking about the systems under Seattle and Denver, for examples. Single line, not a loop.
    Stop 1 is Ventura Line at south end.
    Stop 2 is old terminal
    Stop 3 is new terminal
    Stop 4 is Santa Clarita Line at north end.
    Two sets of tracks. Platfom in middle.

    Meanwhile, the HSR will run parallel to it, underground.

    Now, with the terminal way up at San Fernando, hmm, take my idea and combine Stops 3 and 4. Done.
    Where is my consulting check???
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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    Quote Originally Posted by FutureImagineer View Post
    Here's what I posted before more concept art was posted (btw. really cool stuff Prag). This would be such a great LA transit network.

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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    Quote Originally Posted by CaliforniaAdventurer View Post
    Riverside seems SO FAR AHEAD of Burbank right now.
    Riverside seems so rural relative to Burbank.
    It's easier to plan around empty space than it is around fully developed areas.
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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    Quote Originally Posted by sediment View Post
    Thanks, PI. That's clears up a lot.
    Yes, the pic's and drawrings (sic) look tres cool.

    Does the current Metrolink flow through this plot of land on its SB-Riverside path? I'm guessing no, as there is a track that heads directly south and roughly follows The 215. Question is, could it? Maybe following along a southwesterly flowing wash.

    first up: mag-lev to LV!!!!!
    No trains currently use the tracks that lead to the new intermodal terminal, but the California High-Speed Rail alignment does, in fact, use East Twin Creek, which you mentioned.

    San Bernardino's existing Metrolink station, with three lines, is the busiest in the entire system outside of L.A. Union Station. And, the San Bernardino Line has, by far, the most boardings: double those of Riverside and Orange County and triple those of Ventura and Antelope Valley.

    Metrolink currently uses B.N.S.F. tracks from San Bernardino to Riverside, and Congress also just funded a new grade separation for this line as it crosses the U.P. tracks at Colton Crossing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sediment View Post
    Riverside seems so rural relative to Burbank.
    It's easier to plan around empty space than it is around fully developed areas.
    Both San Bernardino and Riverside were real cities before the freeways had the effect of suburbanizing the Inland Empire's economy. In fact, Redlands and Riverside originally functioned as suburbs of San Bernardino. It's actually southern California's densest place East of Los Angeles and North of San Diego, and the 199-year-old city is about to celebrate its bicentennial in a couple of months.

    San Bernardino was built at its present site partly because of the abundance of water there and partly because of the central location at the intersection of three transcontinental train lines. The decline of passenger rail and the rise of automobiles and airlines diminished the importance of the city, though, during the last half of the 20th Century.

    The population growth of the Inland Empire, the increasing oil costs, and the worsening traffic congestion are forcing southern California to move to more sustainable development patterns, however, and the re-establishment of San Bernardino, which once held parity with Los Angeles and San Diego, is key to fixing most of southern California's problems.

    Riverside, which is analogous to Pasadena, is actually mostly built-out. The downtown there has a great grid, and the city center is exceptionally walkable. But, there isn't much room to add more density without doing some major reconstructive surgery.

    Ontario has copious amounts of land available, but that city lacks the infrastructure to support additional density. For example, a billion-dollar backbone would be required to achieve some of the housing numbers that the city's general plan sets forth in the New Model Colony area alone.

    San Bernardino is in the unique position of having the most extensive infrastructure in the Inland Empire that is combined with a significant amount of vacant and underutilized land within or around an existing urban environment that is authentic and that has a sufficient amount of density to support additional transit improvements. So, fixing the entire southern California region is really a matter of completing San Bernardino International Airport, California High-Speed Rail, and all the feeder systems that San Bernardino's city center needs to create a walkable New Urbanist environment that can function as a resort-style metropolis with all the amenities that that term implies.

    Southern California's essential problems are oil, automobiles, and freeways, and, thankfully, we're finally starting to see some investment in a more sustainable future.

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