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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    Interesting points, PI.
    There just seem to be a lot more rights-of-way out there.
    I think, for LA, freeways are a better right-of-way alternative. Take out a lane or two, put in light rail. Every time The 405 gets widened I want to scream "NO! Put in a light rail to LAX and Century City and Westwood! you won't need the freeway lanes if people are on the light rail!!"
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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    Speaking of Los Angeles:

    Villaraigosa in D.C. seeking support for faster subway, transit funding

    The mayor already has picked up a key ally, Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-Calif.), in his effort to get Washington to provide the Los Angeles region with assistance -- perhaps federal help in paying interest on loans or using federal stimulus money -- so that projects now expected to take 30 years could be built in 10.

    Boxer’s support is important because she chairs the Senate committee that will write the next big federal transportation bill. Her staff and officials at the U.S. Department of Transportation are looking at ways the federal government can help Los Angeles -- with or without legislation.

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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    Commuter rail from Pasadena to Azusa wins funding

    The Gold Line extension is one of several major rail projects being planned for L.A. County in the next few years, including an extension of the Expo Line into Santa Monica, a new line down Crenshaw Boulevard into the South Bay and an extension of the Eastside Gold Line.

    There has been much debate about which projects should get funding, and L.A. County Supervisor Mike Antonovich said it’s important that a line outside the City of Los Angeles got funding.
    L.A. NOW | With Jack Nicholson looking on, a beaming Dennis Hopper joins the Hollywood Walk of Fame | Los Angeles Times

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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    Good news! Git er done!
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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    Quote Originally Posted by sediment View Post
    Good news! Git er done!
    This is way more exciting, as it could mean shaving 20 years off our wait times for Measure R projects!

    U.S. officials eager to climb aboard Villaraigosa's L.A. transit plan - latimes.com

    U.S. officials eager to climb aboard Villaraigosa's L.A. transit plan

    Even some lawmakers from other states see merit in the Los Angeles mayor's idea for massive federal loans to ease congestion and create jobs.

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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    From Al Lutz's update on 2/23/10
    The grand plan being hatched by TDA, in partnership with some pro-Disney forces in Anaheim city hall, is to build a massive new parking facility north of GardenWalk with direct access to and from the Santa Ana Freeway. This 10,000+ space structure would also include a transit depot on its southern flank for the monorail system [Anaheim Fixed Guideway] Anaheim wants built by the middle of the decade to connect the new ARTIC high speed rail station with the Resort District and the Convention Center. Visitors either arriving to this giant facility via private car off the freeway, or via monorail from ARTIC, would then be whisked on moving walkways across a sweeping bridge over Harbor Blvd. and deposited near the current tram loading area.
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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    I can now envision stepping out the gates of Disneyland when it closes at 12, being whisked on a moving walkway to the Anaheim Fixed Guideway Monorail accross the street for a short return to the ARTIC Station... I board a HSR to downtown LA, transfer to the Red Line and return to my house on foot about 55 minutes after midnight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaliforniaAdventurer View Post
    From Al Lutz's update on 2/23/10

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    I still think the best route is under the electric towers, which travel east, meet up with Metrolink/SP rails northwest of eventual ARTIC, so that a monorail loop be utilized instead of a back-and-forth system.
    Loop:
    ARTIC west along Gene Autry, under or over freeway to Citrus, through Strawberry field/parking lot (eventually through new third park), turning northwest across Harbor, brushing past Anaheim Convention Center Arena, west along Katella, north along Disneyland Drive to DTD monorail stop, following current monorail tracks (above them, actually) to southeast brushing up against DCA, harder south at Harbor, east along power line right-of-way, southeast along Metrolink tracks, back to ARTIC.
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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    They are not going to build that many miles of track, remember there were Alternatives A B and C and then I think they selected this route.

    http://www.anaheimfixedguideway.com/...d-Guideway.pdf

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaliforniaAdventurer View Post
    They are not going to build that many miles of track, remember there were Alternatives A B and C and then I think they selected this route.

    http://www.anaheimfixedguideway.com/...d-Guideway.pdf
    I know, and they suck. I rule!
    No idea why it would stop at parking lot and GardenWalk, and not at DL's plaza, when nearly everyone is going to DL.
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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    The dashed blue line indicates a north of the garage station and a motel demo on Harbor. And provides the direct line for the whisk-me-away walkway.

    The solid blue line seems like it indicates a route under the power lines on that right of way, with the station at the south side of the new garage.

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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    The big question is when will these pretty much local systems be connected to an interstate one.....it would be nice for those of us living a thousand or more miles away to be able to just hop on a train and *poof*, find ourselves at Disneyland

    Maybe something like;

    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUERtAe73NI]YouTube - Supertrain Opening Credits[/ame]


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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    Eventually, they want a High Speed Rail system to connect Portland Oregon to Vancouver BC. If we could get the last leg to connect from Portland to Sacramento, you'd be in business, my friend.

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    DesertXpress 2 the Disneyland Resort

    It looks like the Las Vegas high speed train will be moving forward:

    That 150 mph train from Vegas to LA Victorville is really happening, according to a recent story in the Las Vegas Sun. Environmental clearances are running a bit late, but construction is set to begin this year, with trains running between California and Vegas by 2014.

    Officials are pushing for an extension into Palmdale, the proposed site of a future [California] high-speed rail station that would connect to Union Station: "Because the California [high-speed rail] system and DesertXpress would be compatible... it would be possible for riders to board in Los Angeles [or Anaheim] and travel without changing trains all the way to Las Vegas. The trip would take between two and 2 1/2 hours."

    But that's a way's off; for now planners are working on the first phase, narrowing down the three station site options for Victorville (see model) and four site options in Vegas. The Victorville station will come equipped with a "5,000-space parking area, some of it surface parking and some of it within a parking garage. It's 1 1/2 times larger than Disneyland's parking lot." And like in Vegas, all the parking is free and riders should be able to check their bags in Victorville and have them placed in their Vegas hotels at no extra cost. Regular tickets will run a little over $50 for the 84-minute trip, and there's plans for upper class service.
    Article continues at: Curbed LA: Construction on California to Vegas Train Starts This Year


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    Private investors have paid for DesertXpress' costs to date and construction will be financed with private equity combined with long-term public- and private-sourced debt with the repayment coming from private sources. No taxpayer money has been used, although executives say they are considering federal loans.

    Indirectly, stimulus funds appropriated to California's rail system could benefit DesertXpress if they are used in the High Desert Corridor highway project, which includes the development of the right-of-way to include the rail line. DesertXpress officials have agreed to provide technical support, engineering, right-of-way width documentation and noise-abatement specifications to California transportation planners.
    Second article continues at:
    http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2010...et-begin-year/

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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    I am loving the unintentially funny comments at the bottom of the Sun article, people in Vegas wondering what they're supposed to do in Victorville. As if this is transportation for them!
    My answer, after LMAO, is to tell them that the construction has to start somewhere, and that someday SoCal will get its ducks in a row and finish the track to someplace like, say, Anaheim.
    And that Victorville is along the way to one of two options into LA. Via Palmdale or San Berdoo. Or, a tunnel straight through the San Gabriels, through the San Andreas Fault, right to Union Station. And, since part of the trip to vegas is already funded and starting construction, that is just the incentive we here need.
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