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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

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    Study to Bring Another Busway and Extended Rail Service to the Valley Approved


    Study to Bring Another Busway and Extended Rail Service to the Valley Approved - LAist
    These are good ideas, mainly because those parking lots along the Orange line get filled up too quickly. If people were parking somewhere else, at arteries' stops, that will make them even more popular.
    Van Nuys line: if there were some easy way to get to the Sylmar Metroink Station, which is directly north of Van Nuys/Plummer intersection but Van Nuys takes a NorthEast route from there, that would be perfect. As it is, Van Nuys to San Fernando Road might be the optimal choice.
    From NoHo Red Line: Lankershim to San Fernando seems logical.
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    Najarian fights 710 idea

    He will try in his MTA board role to help stop tunnel from moving forward.




    Najarian fights 710 idea - Glendale News Press
    The MTA's Board of Directors — of which Najarian is chairman — today will consider approving the more in-depth environmental studies needed to move the proposal forward and will likely hear public comments on both sides of the issue.
    Don't environmental studies include the lower pollution levels in other areas as a result of the project being studied? So, there will be more pollution around the new freeway. There will be less pollution everywhere else, due to lower congestion.

    The Glendale City Council last year voted to officially oppose the tunnel. La Cañada Flintridge and South Pasadena have already committed significant resources to the fight, filing a unsuccessful legal challenge against the use of $780 million in earmarked Measure R funds for tunnel studies or construction.
    Hmm, this is interesting, as Glendale probably has the most to gain from less traffic congestion and pollution on its freeways (The 2, from The 5 to The 210). Najarian (Glendale Mayor AND MTA Chairman of Board of Directors) just trying to be a "good neighbor" to the other cities in the area? (Airport conglomerate?)
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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    Glendale likes to be on the same side as Pasadena? Which wants to be on the same side as South Pasadena? Not in my friends' back yard?

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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    Quote Originally Posted by sediment View Post
    These are good ideas, mainly because those parking lots along the Orange line get filled up too quickly. If people were parking somewhere else, at arteries' stops, that will make them even more popular.
    Van Nuys line: if there were some easy way to get to the Sylmar Metroink Station, which is directly north of Van Nuys/Plummer intersection but Van Nuys takes a NorthEast route from there, that would be perfect. As it is, Van Nuys to San Fernando Road might be the optimal choice.
    From NoHo Red Line: Lankershim to San Fernando seems logical.
    I'd rather see a Red Line extension run over to the Burbank Airport and then shoot up north parallell to the Metrolink commuter trains, it could go above ground.

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    I'd rather see a Red Line extension run over to the Burbank Airport and then shoot up north parallel to the Metrolink commuter trains, it could go above ground.
    We've discussed that here. That would cost a lot more money than busways.
    IIRC, we had trouble getting it there easily. Maybe down Chandler r.o.w. to Hollywood Way.
    Or, up Vineland to Vanowen.
    I think it depends heavily on where Burbank Terminal ends up. Current location is supposedly too close to runways.

    Still like the busway idea. Along Reseda would be great, too, getting some CSUN commuters off the roads.
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    MTA board approves new studies of 710 extension

    The measure calls for the MTA to hire a consultant to explore options for relieving congestion, improving safety and addressing community concerns in building the link from Alhambra to Pasadena.

    After repeated disruptions by protesters from the Bus Riders Union and two arrests, the Los Angeles County Metropolitan Transportation Authority board on Thursday unanimously approved a new round of studies for the proposed 710 Freeway extension, including an analysis of alternatives to a tunnel or highway.
    MTA board approves new studies of 710 extension - latimes.com
    The study of the 710 extension is the latest development in a decades-long controversy over whether the 4.5-mile freeway gap between Pasadena and Alhambra should be closed with a tunnel, highway or some other alternative.

    The 710 now ends in Alhambra just north of the 10 Freeway. Planners originally envisioned that the 710 would be extended through South Pasadena and Pasadena to link up with the 210 Freeway, but the idea has run into intense community and political opposition. There has been some discussion about building a tunnel to complete the link, but that too has become controversial.

    "We need to look at all the alternatives, modes and routes," said Glendale Mayor Ara Najarian, who chairs the MTA board and is an opponent of a tunnel. "We want to make sure we are doing things the right way."

    The measure approved Thursday calls for the MTA to hire a consultant to study the project and explore "a full range of options" to relieve congestion, improve safety, address community concerns, and supplement future planning efforts.

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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

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    MTA board approves new studies of 710 extension

    The measure calls for the MTA to hire a consultant to explore options for relieving congestion, improving safety and addressing community concerns in building the link from Alhambra to Pasadena.


    MTA board approves new studies of 710 extension - latimes.com
    Oh, yes, let's put it off until tomorrow.....

    I agree with the comment in the comment section wondering why this proposed freeway extension is an MTA issue. Should be a State or Federal highway issue.
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    The good news is tha High Speed Rail continues to move forward.

    The bad...it's moving forward at a not so high speed pace.

    This is on account of the Air Resources Board (ARB). This arm of the California Environmental Protection Agency is slowing the project down to a snails pace at every phase with it's maticulous and expensive regulatory testing.

    Those on the far right are predisposed to oppose the project no matter what. Those on the extreme left seem to be more interested in regulating than actually getting anything done.

    Those in the center are interested in profitable enterprizing businesses and quality public services...the regulatory bodies be damned. I think the independent centrists will ultimately win out where High Speed Rail is concerned. It's gonna be a bright...bright sunshiny day.

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    RW, sounds like you've had tunnel vision, but thanks for making a stop in our station, and I wish you Godspeed with your plans, sorry for the derail, folks!

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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    Just an observation: of all of the public transport threads on all of the forums I frequent, this is the only one where a monorail proposal is taken at all seriously. Something to think on there.

    Everywhere else it only takes a few posts of howling laughter to get to a Simpson's reference. (Kind of a sub clause of Godwin's Law I guess)
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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    Quote Originally Posted by monotonehell View Post
    Just an observation: of all of the public transport threads on all of the forums I frequent, this is the only one where a monorail proposal is taken at all seriously. Something to think on there.

    Everywhere else it only takes a few posts of howling laughter to get to a Simpson's reference. (Kind of a sub clause of Godwin's Law I guess)
    Because we know it's a practical solution, it's just hard to get people to commit to it. We've seen the Seattle and Anaheim and WDW Monorail systems rack up millions upon millions of miles and passengers with an extraordinary safety record, so we know not to laugh and deride it. You will never hear of a Car Vs. Train grade crossing incident with a Monorail train because they don't have grade crossings.

    The few accidents and one fatality (the Florida train operator in the crash last year) are from operational errors, not anything to do with the basic safety of the design.

    (Having the train backing blindly for miles at full speed with the block safety system manually disabled and no camera or observer in the rear cab to verify the track ahead is clear is IMHO categorically insane. Had anyone taken a hard look at the way they were operating, that would have been fixed long ago and the fatal crash incident would never have happened.)

    The only drawback is the initial cost of the trains and trackage, because they are still rare enough to be considered custom built. But get the entire nation (or better, the world) settled on one basic train size and design so an assembly line can be built, and start deploying them on a large scale, and that can easily be eliminated. And Voila, the train prices drop dramatically from $10 Million plus to under $1 Mill. Same thing with spare parts.

    The beams and pylons are the same way, they have to spend a ton making the special adjustable forms, and they may never be used again once the project is completed so the investment is stranded. Settle on a standard gauge for the beams, and the fixed straight-beam and adjustable curve beam forms can be built once at regional precast concrete factories and the finished beams and pylons can be shipped regionally. Once they can amortize the costs of the forms over multiple projects, and with true mass production you will see the same dramatic drop in the cost per mile of the beams.

    Suddenly, WDW can afford to expand out their Monorail system to cover the entire resort and scrap much of their internal bus circulator fleet, and the fuel costs pay for it fast. Then they are free to add an inter-urban transit beam between WDW and Orlando (and even all the way to Tampa) for their regional visitors and cast members.

    Public Transit doesn't get utilized nearly as much when it ALMOST fills your needs - When it ALMOST goes where you want to go and ALMOST when you want to get there and when you want to come home, and it's ALMOST as expensive as driving yourself. Then it gets relegated to the system of last resort when you don't have a car.

    They need to eliminate the "almost" from the equation - make it run 24/7 at enough frequency so it's faster than driving, and have express trains that cut out all the little stops to get the inter-urban speeds up, and make it cheaper than driving. (But NOT by artificially inflating the cost of driving through taxation!) And then it'll take off.

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    No one will laugh at such a well stated post, thanks for giving us something to think about guys!

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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    The Beach Reporter talks up the under-environmental study Green Line South Bay extension that could stretch the light-rail from Redondo Beach to the South Bay Galleria and terminate at the proposed Torrance Regional Transit Center.
    Curbed LA : The Los Angeles Neighborhoods and Real Estate Blog

    · MTA Considers Green Line Extension [The Beach Reporter]
    · Green Line to Torrance Advancing [Curbed LA]

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    That extension seeems a natural to the proposed Torrence Regional Transit Center at Crenshaw and Maricopa, with the line passing the South Bay Galleria.

    And, really, people who don't want to live next to this green line extension should simply sell their place to someone who doesn't mind it. You know who won't mind it? People who work downtown but want to live near the ocean and who don't want to drive. It's been a right of way forever. There's plenty of time to take care of these transactions.

    From something online about the Regional Transit Centers:
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    Needs and Benefits
    Property Values - The Centers will make adjacent properties more accessible and more
    marketable.
    Existing Regional Transportation Programs - The Project will improve infrastructure to
    enhance functionality of existing regional transportation programs.
    Safety - It will enhance transportation and pedestrian safety by allowing safe transfers to
    other buses and other modes of transportation.
    Quality of Life - The Centers will significantly improve the overall quality of life for
    local residents and the traveling public.
    Connectivity - The regional transit centers in Redondo Beach and Torrance are hubs for
    local and regional connectivity for all agencies in the South Bay and Los Angeles
    County. They will also provide access to regional rapid service and existing light rail.
    The development of these two complementary transit centers will provide focal points for
    service in and through the South Bay, building ridership for the Harbor Subdivision rail
    line that is currently being considered.
    Congestion - The South Bay Regional Transit Centers will enhance the efficiency of
    public transportation thereby encouraging more people to make use of the transportation
    options available in the region resulting in decreased traffic congestion. They will also
    provide parking for Rideshare'Van/Carpool participants, reducing congestion.
    Air Quality - Improvements in air quality can be expected in proportion to the reduction
    in congestion. Less idling in stopped/slowing traffic will result in fewer emissions.
    Increased use of alternate forms of public transportation will also contribute to improvements
    in air quality by reducing gasoline and fuel consumption. Torrance Transit will
    also be operating a new fleet of Hybrid Gasoline-Electric Buses and Hybrid Relief
    Vehicles which all reduce overall emissions even further.
    Economic Benefits - In a region that is so dependent on transportation for movement of
    goods and people, any improvement to the circulation system will result in proportional
    gains in the economy, such as reduced demands on employee parking, increased intermodal
    access to employment centers, decreased dependency on single occupancy vehicles
    and decreased reliance the automobiles will also enhance access to jobs. Riders can also
    benefit from easy access to Rapid Transit Services such as the Municipal Area Express
    (MAX) which provides direct commuter service, to and from the Rancho Palos Verdes,
    Redondo Beach and EI Segundo employment centers.
    Getting all the way to the Willow Station of the Blue Line might be a bit optimistic. Right of Way goes through the refineries. Not sure if something traveling through there that's highly electric is a good idea. might have to travel along Sepulveda until it becomes Willow in LB. Should be elevated when needed, especially when crossing the Blue Line.

    Here's a little picture of the map:
    http://la.curbed.com/uploads/2010_04_green.jpg
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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    How about extending the Green Line to Long Beach Airport. Wouldn't that be ironic, it never goes to LAX but you can go to Long Beach Airport.

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