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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    Quote Originally Posted by CaliforniaAdventurer View Post
    I'd use it to make a getaway to San Francisco. You don't need a car at that end of the line. I could get on a train at 8 or 9 or 10 at night, and not drive over the Grapevine or along a long stretch of big rig highway in the dark. It would make it more practical if I walked on in Burbank and got out on Market Street and switched to any number of SF transit options available there.

    Now if 30-10 gets approved, in 2021 we'll have some sort of system in place on the LA side that will rival San Francisco's. This could form a connection between many farflung California cities and boost intrastate tourism.

    So it's a good thing for our state. Not so much a train to the Vegas casinos to drain funds out of our state.
    An LA system would be a godsend as it is tatamount that the building of lightrail take place at as fast a pace as possible. The year 2022 is when were talking about a fully connected system between SF, the San Joaquin Valley and LA...if continued financing rises past the current 1/4 percent needed. As building costs continually rise, we cannot afford to get stalled out. Then again, it looks like a completed LA system by 2011 would on it's own be awesome. I could take AMTRAK from the valley and connect.
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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    There's been a question on my mind, CA. What's the difference between high speed lightrail and a bullet train?
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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

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    So, when MTA finally gets rid of accepting money on buses, and only accepts cards with amounts on them, then there will be step 3: profits.

    Maybe: "Cash accepted for riding this bus only. Lower-cost transfers require card."
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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

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    There's been a question on my mind, CA. What's the difference between lightrail and a bullet train?
    Heavy rail = heavy engine. Usually diesel or coal. Important that the track can handle the weight.
    Light rail = electric. Can use cheaper track.
    Bullet = lightrail? Hmm...
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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

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    Would Anyone Use a SF-LA High-Speed Rail Line? Is It Practical?



    Would Anyone Use a SF-LA High-Speed Rail Line? Is It Practical? - SFist
    All kinds of people would use the system as it would be far more feasible for travelers than driving a car. The enemy isn't demand or pragmatism...it is the sucky economy. Most cities and counties are not going to be able to kick in funding as was once hoped. Hopefully, economy recovery will pick up speed.
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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

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    We've talked about Metro's plans for it before. They're describing it as "commuter rail" which confuses me, doesn't that mean METROLINK-AMTRAK service, as opposed to a "light rail" line... Unless they mean full size trains like the Red Line, but I don't think they'll build a subway to Santa Ana.

    I like the grey dashed "proposals" in there, too! Not only do I support 30/10 and Measure R, I'm ready to vote for Measure S and do a second wave.
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    Along an old Pacific Electric right of way. I've certainly discussed using part of that here. (Where's my commission???)
    Seems it would go from Green Line to Santa Ana. That's pretty close to DL for people (like Bruce) to use the system all the way from Woodland Hills.
    Study implies possibility of going all the way to Eastside Gold Line or Union Station. (All those feifdoms between Paramount and Downtown are in the "Study Area.")
    Haven't even decided the mode of transport.

    Looks like the east/west portion would be along 1st or 4th in Santa Ana, though getting to the SARTC (Santa Ana Regional Transit Center -- really, it needs one too?) isn't even on the map.

    I think, as I've just written, it should go east along Cerritos/Katella R-o-W (electric lines overhead) continue along south of DLH and AMC theater, through Downtown Disney, right between the parks, over The 5, to ARTIC. Not SARTC.
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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    Quote Originally Posted by sediment View Post
    Heavy rail = heavy engine. Usually diesel or coal. Important that the track can handle the weight.
    Light rail = electric. Can use cheaper track.
    Bullet = lightrail? Hmm...
    Thanx, sediment. I didn't know what the terms "heavy" and "light" pertained to in reference to rail transportation.

    Would our proposed lightrail system travel as fast as a Japanese bullet train?
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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    Quote Originally Posted by Ride Warrior View Post
    All kinds of people would use the system as it would be far more feasible for travelers than driving a car. The enemy isn't demand or pragmatism...it is the sucky economy. Most cities and counties are not going to be able to kick in funding as was once hoped. Hopefully, economy recovery will pick up speed.
    More feasible for one person. Four people? Car will still be cheaper. Everyone has their time vs money formula.
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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    Quote Originally Posted by Ride Warrior View Post
    Thanx, sediment. I didn't know what the terms "heavy" and "light" pertained to in reference to rail transportation.

    Would our proposed lightrail system travel as fast as a Japanese bullet train?
    Others here are better versed on the intricacies of the terminology. I only know what I've gleaned from them.

    No. The current system (Blue Line, Red Line, Gold Line are all "light rail") doesn't.
    Will the California HSR from SF to LA go that fast? I hope so.

    One thing other countries have that we don't is a much stronger eminant domain policy. Our country has much more respect for others' private property these days. Can't just take land away without a lot of public outcry. (I suggest leasing the land and paying for it with revenues from the service -- if it actually could make the money.)
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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    Quote Originally Posted by sediment View Post
    More feasible for one person. Four people? Car will still be cheaper. Everyone has their time vs money formula.
    Yeah. I see what you mean. Guess the main sells points is the faster rate of speed and less fatigue.
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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    Quote Originally Posted by sediment View Post
    Others here are better versed on the intricacies of the terminology. I only know what I've gleaned from them.

    No. The current system (Blue Line, Red Line, Gold Line are all "light rail") doesn't.
    Will the California HSR from SF to LA go that fast? I hope so.

    One thing other countries have that we don't is a much stronger eminant domain policy. Our country has much more respect for others' private property these days. Can't just take land away without a lot of public outcry. (I suggest leasing the land and paying for it with revenues from the service -- if it actually could make the money.)
    Don't think that leasing hundreds of miles of land would ever be feasible. Perhaps, the rail system could just be built alongside freeways, and treated as if it were a lane expansion.
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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    OK Amtrak and Metrolink trains are "commuter rail", full size trains and go longer distances.

    Metrorail service include the "heavy rail" Red / Purple lines (the subways) and the "light rail" cars that run mostly at grade, with some elevated and underground portions. These trains aren't interchangeable, the Red line trains only work in the subway. But the Expo line, Gold line, Blue line and other "light rail" lines will be interchangeable if the "Downtown Connector" goes through. It will connect the Gold line and the Blue/Expo lines so they can make trains that start in Long Beach and end in Pasadena or start in East LA and end in Culver City or Santa Monica.

    Finally the "high speed rail" is not a light rail line, it's a heavy rail train that actually needs further grade seperations and straight-aways built in to the line, that ordinary Amtrak trains don't require, simply because of the speed they travel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ride Warrior View Post
    Don't think that leasing hundreds of miles of land would ever be feasible. Perhaps, the rail system could just be built alongside freeways, and treated as if it were a lane expansion.
    Definitely want to use rights-of-way wherever feasible The 5, train tracks, aquaduct,, whatever.

    Just seems that in other countries, the whole land is a right-of-way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaliforniaAdventurer View Post
    OK Amtrak and Metrolink trains are "commuter rail", full size trains and go longer distances.

    Metrorail service include the "heavy rail" Red / Purple lines (the subways) and the "light rail" cars that run mostly at grade, with some elevated and underground portions. These trains aren't interchangeable, the Red line trains only work in the subway. But the Expo line, Gold line, Blue line and other "light rail" lines will be interchangeable if the "Downtown Connector" goes through. It will connect the Gold line and the Blue/Expo lines so they can make trains that start in Long Beach and end in Pasadena or start in East LA and end in Culver City or Santa Monica.

    Finally the "high speed rail" is not a light rail line, it's a heavy rail train that actually needs further grade seperations and straight-aways built in to the line, that ordinary Amtrak trains don't require, simply because of the speed they travel.

    Did this answer your questions?

    Look at the pictures on Page 7 of this link:
    http://atb.octa.net/AgendaPDF/7162.pdf
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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    In San Francisco, MUNI is a sort of light rail. BART is a heavy rail subway that also emerges and serves as a commuter rail. The cable cars are unique to San Francisco and are pulled along by underground cables that run on a track. On your right, is the the Transamerica Pyramid... Oh I'm going to far with this tour.

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