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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    Quote Originally Posted by sleepyjeff View Post
    Some very good points here!

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    We should be relying far more on nuclear...if it wasn't for the controlling death grip that environmentalists have.
    My suggestion: put the nuclear plants in Mexico, about 100 miles from our border. That way, environmentalists (at least the patriotic ones) won't be so worried.
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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    YouTube - lastreetcar's Channel

    This is a good watch.

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    High-speed rail in peril! Well, that's the headline. From Ohio to Wisconsin, the New York Times looks at how Republican candidates running for governor are looking to stamp out Obama's high-speed rail plan. And here's Meg Whitman: "... California’s $45 billion plan to link Los Angeles and San Francisco with trains that would go up to 220 miles per hour, could be delayed if Meg Whitman, a Republican, is elected governor. 'In the face of the state’s current fiscal crisis, Meg doesn’t believe we can afford the costs associated with new high-speed rail at this time,' said Tucker Bounds, a campaign spokesman."
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    Green Line Extension Could Give South Bay More Light Rail Miles - LAist

    Green Line Extension Could Give South Bay More Light Rail Miles

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    Maps: Color-Coding the Racial Divide - LAist

    Saw this at that site. Pretty cool.
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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    Regional Connector Hearings Next Week :: blogdowntown

    Check out this map. Looks like they want to make the Expo line an extension of the East LA Gold Line, and change the color of the Pasadena Gold Line to blue. So I guess that means East LA to Pasadena trains would stop running?
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    Obama presses $50-billion roads project

    President Obama made a new pitch for his $50-billion "roads, railways and runways" program Monday morning, saying the need to upgrade the nation's infrastructure capacity is critical and that American competitiveness in the 21st century depends upon swift action.

    Clogged roads, airways and other infrastructure chip away at worker productivity, Obama said, and the longer the country waits to fix it, "the deeper our competitive edge erodes."
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    Villaraigosa to Meet With Obama Tomorrow to Talk Transit

    Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa and President Barack Obama are scheduled to meet tomorrow in the nation's capital to discuss federal funding for transit projects in Los Angeles, according to the Daily News.

    The Mayor "has been seeking congressional support for a plan to accelerate the construction of 12 major transit projects in Los Angeles County," and this marks his third visit to DC in four weeks. Several other state and city leaders, as well as Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood are among those who will be attending the meeting on infrastructure spending.
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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    On both of the above, hate to say it, but...

    Get the economy running on an upward trend, and both the National Debt and the unemployment numbers trending downward. NOW. That's going to require slashing funding on frivolous things like tariffs and farm subsidies, and slashing taxes so you generate more profits, and that leads to more tax income even at the lower rates - people stop evading and avoiding the taxes when they are set reasonably. It's all proven to work.

    Then (and only then) you can start spending on major infrastructure, and pushing those 30/10 projects on subways and transit and highways dams and bridges.

    Things like the Works Projects Administration from the 1930's were just a way to paper over an economy that flat out wasn't healthy or working - and we have the same situation right now. We got a lot of sturdy buildings and bridges out of it, but the money would still have been far better spent elsewhere. Some of those buildings cost 10 times more with WPA labor than the private sector could have built them.

    Oh, and railroads have traditionally had to fund their own infrastructure installation and upgrades, they only got the land granted for free as an exchange. Why do you propose to have the Govt. start paying for it now?

    (Not necessarily looking for an argument, but we have to start looking more carefully at the bottom line on these proposals and projects. If it doesn't make sense with private money, it won't get built. And the same project still doesn't make sense if the private sector gets the government to throw public money at it, especially when they call it "Prevailing Wage Jobs" and start paying the workers double... All they do is shift the risk of failure to the public treasury.)

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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    Quote Originally Posted by CaliforniaAdventurer View Post
    Regional Connector Hearings Next Week :: blogdowntown

    Check out this map. Looks like they want to make the Expo line an extension of the East LA Gold Line, and change the color of the Pasadena Gold Line to blue. So I guess that means East LA to Pasadena trains would stop running?
    Yes -- well, some day, maybe, assuming you'll live to see it (more about the foreverness of plans than your age). You'd have to disbark (woof!) and rebark (woof!) a different train at Union Station.
    Makes for a more perfect N/S and E/W set of lines. Other choices are N/E (north, then east; and the reverse) and E/N (and the reverse); or the current Gold Line and Blue/Expo, which makes no sense.
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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    I prefer not to get into a wider political debate in this thread, but:

    Oh, and railroads have traditionally had to fund their own infrastructure installation and upgrades, they only got the land granted for free as an exchange. Why do you propose to have the Govt. start paying for it now?
    In regards to this comment, I have to say... This is not a private railroad, it's a public transportation project. And "the government" is not PAYING FOR IT which is the beautiful thing. Local taxpayers are funding Measure R every time we make a purchase. 30-10 is a loan, not a handout, and so it makes good sense to provide the money to Los Angeles since it's trickling in over thirty years by voter initiative. We just want to shave twenty years off our commute times with low interest federal loans.

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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

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    Yes -- well, some day, maybe, assuming you'll live to see it (more about the foreverness of plans than your age). You'd have to disbark (woof!) and rebark (woof!) a different train at Union Station.
    Makes for a more perfect N/S and E/W set of lines. Other choices are N/E (north, then east; and the reverse) and E/N (and the reverse); or the current Gold Line and Blue/Expo, which makes no sense.
    I guess you're right, that map makes more sense than the current U shaped Gold Line. But I just thought they'd operate the Blue and Gold through Pasadena plus the Expo and Gold through East LA.

    The way you have to pay attention to whether you see a North Hollywood or Wilshire bound train on the Red Line. It's easy to step on the wrong (ie PURPLE) train.

    Related: http://www.scpr.org/programs/airtalk...of-las-trains/
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    I think numbers are better than colors. Or a single letter is better than a color.
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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    http://www.metro.net/projects_studie...iative_map.pdf

    BTW - here's a map of the 30-10 projects from Metro's site.

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    OCTA Leaders: You should pay attention to Projects "L" and "I". Perhaps an agreement could be reached whereby the OC continues one of these lines into Orange County.

    Here's my suggestion: Operate an equivalent number of miles beyond the OC line and split the operating costs 50-50 with LA County.

    And get that mass transit in to the Disneyland Resort!

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