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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    Quote Originally Posted by sediment View Post
    I think numbers are better than colors. Or a single letter is better than a color.
    Ahh, but there's a reason for splitting it up like they did - a bus line (number) isn't going to get confused with a Light Rail or Subway line (colors).

    Then they had to go and mess it all up with the Orange Line, which while it is a dedicated right of way - has buses on it. As has been covered here before (ad infinitum, ad nausaeum...) LA Metro ripped up old (yet fully repairable) light rail tracks to build the Busway. And eventually the ridership will demand that they change it back to light rail or Monorail, something with a far higher passenger density.

    That would free up the ground level space for commuter parking, and/or a bikeway & running path, or recreation space, and possible commercial uses - you could easily have a Nursery or other light industrial space underneath the beamway.

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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    I thought Home Depot killed all the small nurseries.

    Low low prices eliminated many generations of heirloom varieties and a true selection in plants.

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    Metro's Subway Recommendations Out: Hello VA, See Ya Crenshaw

    On October 28th the board will decide to select the locally preferred alternative recommended by Metro's subway staff, which includes ditching the Crenshaw station and building the line out to the VA hospital.

    Info on the Fairfax and La Cienega stations, and the WeHo line.>>>>
    Metro staff is going with option 2, an approximately $4 billion plan which includes extending the subway nine miles from Western Avenue to the VA hospital, west of the 405. The only other option that current funding allows for would be to end the subway at Westwood, but the extension to the VA brings up ridership and cost-effectiveness of the project.
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    Metro's Subway Recommendations Out: Hello VA, See Ya Crenshaw : Purple Line Extension : Curbed LA

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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    My suggestion would be for the Crenshaw line to share three stations with the ELR line at Crenshaw, La Brea and Jefferson. Then turn up La Cienega and follow the "pink line" route to Hollywood and Highland. It would be more useful than a pink branch of the purple line.

    EDIT: I guess I'm not the only one thinking about this:

    http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...hawnorth-1.jpg
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bruce Bergman View Post
    Ahh, but there's a reason for splitting it up like they did - a bus line (number) isn't going to get confused with a Light Rail or Subway line (colors).

    Then they had to go and mess it all up with the Orange Line, which while it is a dedicated right of way - has buses on it. As has been covered here before (ad infinitum, ad nausaeum...) LA Metro ripped up old (yet fully repairable) light rail tracks to build the Busway. And eventually the ridership will demand that they change it back to light rail or Monorail, something with a far higher passenger density.

    That would free up the ground level space for commuter parking, and/or a bikeway & running path, or recreation space, and possible commercial uses - you could easily have a Nursery or other light industrial space underneath the beamway.

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    I think monorail is the only logical solution, since putting the rails back in would disrupt service (completely, I think) for three years.

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    Crenshaw/LAX Line Gets Funding, Work Starting Next Year

    Ka-ching! In the first payout under the 30/10 plan, the U.S. Department of Transportation approved a $546 million loan to help finance the Crenshaw/LAX line. Work will begin in early 2011 on the $1.4 billion line, which will ultimately allow you to take light rail to LAX (thrilling!). It will take about five years to complete the roughly 9 mile project.
    http://www.latimes.com/la-me-light-r...400132.graphic

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    Why no rail line to LAX? - LA Biz Observed

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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    "Here You Leave the World of California Today and Enter the World of, um, er, California Today."

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    That was interesting. So's this:

    Today the Port of Los Angeles got a little of that tasty fed money, $16 million that will go toward building the $126 million West Basin Railyard.

    From the LA Times: "Once built, port officials said, the rail yard will alleviate the need for 2,300 truck trips a day to transcontinental rail hubs like those south of downtown Los Angeles that take port cargo across the U.S." So all the drivers say thank you to the port for eventually one day reducing freeway congestion just a little.
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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    Quote Originally Posted by CaliforniaAdventurer View Post
    Pretty sure this will upset about 2000 truckers and their jobs. Where is this "West Basin Railyard"?
    Ah, found it:
    http://www.portoflosangeles.org/Boar...em9_trans1.pdf
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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    Given where Mayor Villaraigosa’s 30/10 plan stood in January – a compelling, but rough vision with little official support – it is a little bit amazing to see two powerful members of Congress vowing to rewrite transportation policy on the same day that US DOT hands over a $500 million loan.

    While the boost to the Crenshaw project represents something of a milestone for 30/10, some serious heavy lifting remains. Under normal circumstances, there’s enough highway building inertia in transportation funding to kill off good public transit ideas. And on top of that, there’s a monumental mid-term election in two weeks that might result in allies like Rep. Jim Oberstar (D-MN) losing his chairmanship of the House Transportation and Infrastructure committee.

    But indeed, there is something compelling about the self-help nature of the Measure R sales tax that transcends ideology and geography.

    With 30/10, Los Angeles County is doing precisely what any smart small business would do: leveraging its dedicated funding source to guarantee loans that will allow the city to capitalize on labor and materials costs that are the lowest they’ve been in a decade. And in the same motion, 30/10 could put thousands of unemployed construction workers back on the job, not building tract homes on the urban fringe, but building crucial pieces of public transit infrastructure.
    Streetsblog Los Angeles LA Congressional Delegation and US DOT Voice Strong Support for 30/10 at Crenshaw Press Event

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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    I was talking to my wife's uncle, who is on the LAX Board, about the PeopleMover possibility and the complete overhaul of the terminals. I asked him how would they do all this while keeping flights at maximum frequency. He didn't have an answer.
    My suggestion:
    1. Move everything on World Way West farther west, down to the dislocated residential areas of yore.
    2. Build new International Terminal where World Way West Buildings are.
    3. Connect with current international terminal via unmanned trains like those used in Seattle and Denver. Create a temporary loop with expansion to Crenshaw Line that will go under the current Center Way.
    4. Build parking lot /Crenshaw Line Stop in the former 98th Steet Elementary School neighborhood.
    5. Build unmanned train line under Center Way (cut and dig each way, one at a time), coming above ground right in the center of the now-iconic light display, continuing on down Century Blvd to Crenshaw stop and new parking center. (Big Question: this is right under the North runway path. How high could a structure be, I wonder? Three max, probably, with one or two underground levels.) Question:2: Crenshaw Line Stop at LAX Parking lot going to be above ground or below ground? I ask only because there are existing tracks that cross above Century Blvd. They'll be in the way of an above-ground line. Anywho...)
    6. After all this is done, then north-side terminals can be demolished and altered runways can be constructed. Flights that used North-side terminals can use current and new International Terminals while new North-Side terminal and central security/check-in are created in the middle.
    7. Etc. (Tired of this.)
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    Might be nice for The Crenshaw Line to be extended north to Wilshire. Make it easier for Valleyites to get to LAX. Someday. Heck, make the Purple Line = Crenshaw Line.
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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    If you mean make the PINK branch of the Purple Line the Crenshaw Line, then I'm in agreement and I think that is where the public support will transfer.

    No matter how far it snakes through West Hollywood, I'd like to see the "Crenshaw" line end at Hollywood/Highland's Red Line station.

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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    Quote Originally Posted by CaliforniaAdventurer View Post
    If you mean make the PINK branch of the Purple Line the Crenshaw Line, then I'm in agreement and I think that is where the public support will transfer.

    No matter how far it snakes through West Hollywood, I'd like to see the "Crenshaw" line end at Hollywood/Highland's Red Line station.
    That might be OK, too. But for starters, extend Purple to Crenshaw, extend Crenshaw Line to Wilshire, don't know about step two, but step 3: profit!!
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