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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    Good point, but if the entire system can't be built in HSR 1.0, wouldn't it be better to have it run from LA to San Diego and have passengers on it's shortened line than have Modesto to Bakersfield built and fail for lack of ANY riders.

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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    Quote Originally Posted by CaliforniaAdventurer View Post
    Good point, but if the entire system can't be built in HSR 1.0, wouldn't it be better to have it run from LA to San Diego and have passengers on it's shortened line than have Modesto to Bakersfield built and fail for lack of ANY riders.
    The Los Angeles Times editorial board is completely off-base, and it is spreading false and misleading information.

    The line between San Francisco and Los Angeles must be built completely before it ever carries passengers. This initial section is only a place to start construction.

    Incidentally, there's growing support to get the L.A.-San Diego line built faster than originally planned because all the research shows that this city pair will be the most successful, after the Northeast Corridor. Interestingly, L.A.-Inland Empire (within the L.A.-San Diego section) is projected to be the next most popular. The Brookings Institute also rates LA.-Phoenix, which would also use the same line, exceptionally high. And, if DesertXpress breaks ground soon and if the I-5 routing is selected for L.A.-San Francisco, L.A.-Las Vegas, too, may use this line. So, this section really does need to be finished sooner rather than later.
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    I agree with PI. Which part can start construction today? Not LA-SD. So, LA-SD doesn't get started to be built. Simple as that.

    These guys have about 30 years before I kick. They better hurry up.
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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    Do it for sediment, and the kids.

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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    Monorails Gain Ground as a Solution to Surging Mass-Transit Needs - WSJ.com

    Has the Monorail's Future Finally Arrived?

    It's gaining traction as a solution in areas where mass-transit needs are surging


    Long hailed as a model for future public-transportation systems, monorails in reality have been largely written off as theme-park attractions—too slow and too small to serve as urban transit systems.

    Now the elevated single-track trains are getting a fresh look as big cities in emerging economies seek out quick, low-cost solutions to mobility bottlenecks. An almost 12-mile, 18-station line has been operating in Chongqing, China, since 2005, and monorail systems are under construction in places such as Mumbai, India; Riyadh, Saudi Arabia; Daegu, South Korea; and São Paulo, Brazil. At least a dozen other projects are under consideration around the world.

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    "Single-track"? Double-track for the win. Unless they are looped. (No, not vertically!)
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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

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    Do it for sediment, and the kids.
    I mean, I thought monorail chatter was dead, and then I get this printed, in the Wall Street Journal, no less. Did someone answer my "Mass Transit 2 Disneyland" prayers?

    Hahaha Sediment for County Transportation Planner...

    Why don't you design where monorail lines should flow and make sure you connect Union Station to Disneyland. Or is HSR going to be sufficient?

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    Is this the first step in the groundbreaking for Wilshire Gayley, the 29-story Robert AM Stern building that'll either be a 250-room luxury hotel or 144-unit condo tower? We're waiting for a phone call from developer Kambiz Hekmat to confirm. This building's momentum does look good--Metro officials altered their plans for a Purple Line subway station near the Stern structure so the building's footprint and the station didn't bump up against each other. A rep for Metro tells Curbed in an email: "The planned tower at the corner of Wilshire and Gayley would be located over the Westside Subway Westwood/UCLA (Off Street Station) Alternative. Metro is now focusing its efforts on the Westwood/UCLA On-Street Station. A subway entrance is planned to be located immediately adjacent to this tower on UCLA’s Lot 32/36."
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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    Quote Originally Posted by CaliforniaAdventurer View Post
    Why don't you design where monorail lines should flow and make sure you connect Union Station to Disneyland. Or is HSR going to be sufficient?
    HSR will be sufficient, eventually. But HSR should not be a rail service that stops every ten miles or so. Union Station, Anaheim, Oceanside, San Diego. At most.

    Monorail lines can go alongside or over the current Metrolink lines. Metrolink needs to be replaced with more frequent train service. Monorail is the best and cheapest way to get that.

    Other projects that should be easy to do:
    1. Extend Green Line to Norwalk/Santa Fe Springs Metrolink station. North from current terminus along The 605 to The Imperial Highway, then East along The Imperial Highway to the Metrolink. Google says it's 2.7 miles. From there, monorail along the Metrolink line could be created.
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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    Final Word Coming on Crenshaw Line Undergrounding?

    The Source reminds readers that the transit agency's board is scheduled tomorrow to discuss two elements of the Crenshaw Line, a new light-rail train that will get people closer to LAX than the Green Line does--it'll still be a mile away, but a people mover may make up the difference--and that's supposed to break ground this year or next.
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    Peoplemover breaking ground this year or next?? WOW! (No sarcasm, I'm actually surprised.)

    Just wondering what route it will take? Does it go around the loop or just to a central location (near the iconic restaurant)? I think parking at a distant lot and PM'ing it in would be great. And, I think parking at a stop along the Crenshaw Line and Light-Railing it to the PM. Now, getting Crenshaw line all the way up to Hollywood would allow me to park my car at NoHo.
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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    The Crenshaw Line connects to the Expo Line, which connects to the Red Line, which connects to the Orange Line.

    The knee bone's connected to the leg bone...

    Just take the FlyAway from Van Nuys.

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    We should have monorails all over L.A. Spending two to four times as much on a subway does not make any sense.

    Think. We could have four separate lines for the price of one if the residents along Wilshire and in other areas would abide a Disneyland-style system. Disney's trains are not obtrusive at all. And, they are actually interesting to observe in the Las Brisas Courtyard from the Grand Californian's rooms there.
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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    They want to pour massive amounts of cement and cast long dark shadows over Wilshire.

    Have you seen what the designs looked like? Plus people want to stay on the same train.

    Again, EL TRAINs. It would be popular in English or Spanish, just pull out of the tunnel and grade up to an elevated line, it would A) preserve the cement contractor relationships the politicians have going and B) allow continuity for passengers and C) allow more miles to be built than if we tunnel.

    But, according to "corridor density", Wilshire is the prime location in the US for a subterranean system, which moves fastest.

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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    I'd prefer having four parallel monorail lines from Union Station to the sea that are all traveling in the sunshine than one expensive underground line for the mole people. This is Los Angeles. Sunlight here is important.

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