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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort


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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    Palmdale having any high speed rail or a viable international airport may be in the dust.

    Ontario International Airport could grow though.

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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    Quote Originally Posted by CaliforniaAdventurer View Post
    So the Vegas train might want to end up in Anaheim instead of Sylmar. And cut through the Inland Empire. And provide you with super mass transit to the Disneyland Resort.

    That would be awesome.
    Actually, it's more likely that, if DesertXpress did use the Cajon Pass, the line would join the Los Angeles-to-San Diego section in San Bernardino, instead of continuing to Anaheim. San Bernardino is the logical hub for connections to and from Phoenix, San Diego, and Los Angeles, and the curve radius between the East-West and North-South corridors can be tightened if all trains necessarily stop at that terminal while they still meet the 80-minute travel-time requirement between L.A. and S.D.

    The team working on this section of California High-Speed Rail is considering the ways Phoenix and Las Vegas might eventually be connected through San Bernardino. So, eventually, there may be demand for something that can travel along the 91 and between the city centers of Long Beach and San Bernardino with stations at ARTIC and in the downtowns of both Corona and Riverside. In fact, SCAG, the Metropolitan Planning Organization for southern California, has, in its "Compass Blueprint" planning, identified high-speed trains along this corridor as a long-range idea that deserves further exploration.
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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    Quote Originally Posted by CaliforniaAdventurer View Post
    Unpredictable, unstable, and rising oil prices are a primary rationale for high-speed rail. Our economy depends on this travel, and flights are being eliminated in many places. What's going to happen in 5 years? Are we prepared?

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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    Prag and Sediment and Bruce and others,

    So glad that this thread brought us together in our joint quest for a better way to get around the jumble of Southern California cities.

    I will be leaving in 3 weeks - going on a long journey - but I hope you and others will keep this thread going, and I will be keenly interested in finding out what's going on back here.

    I hope you'll carry on with the updates without me...

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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    I'll make sure to post something hopefully on-topic sometime in the next three weeks. I'm out for a week as well.
    (Also, the whole MiceChat forum has gotten a bit stale. Hard to find anything deep to think and post about.)
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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    If You Think CA High-Speed Rail Has Problems...

    Then you haven't considered DesertXpress, a high-speed link that could connect Vegas and Victorville. The business journal Vegas Inc. takes a look at the beleaguered proposal--of course, there's the V'ville terminus, which isn't enticing, but the thought was that the DesertXpress could be extended to Palmdale and meet up with the California high-speed rail line. Well, even if our state's bullet train gets built, one route being aggressively pushed bypasses Palmdale.

    Imagine the potential for Southern Nevada’s resort community if it has access to millions of customers within a relatively easy two-hour trip on a fast train. Southern California residents could make a last-minute decision to spend a weekend in Las Vegas and get here and back quickly and safely.

    And the other direction? How cool would it be for us to take off from work in the late afternoon and catch a Dodgers or Lakers game, snooze on the trip home and easily be back at work the next day?

    Establishing a high-speed line between Los Angeles and Las Vegas has been an elusive dream for decades.
    DesertXpress: Is this train ever going to leave the station? - VEGAS INC

    Critics have publicly flogged the DesertXpress proposal from Day 1. Who in their right mind would drive from Los Angeles to Victorville, park their car in a lot, climb aboard a train for an hour and 20 minutes and then rely on public transportation once in Las Vegas?

    Forget about Las Vegans wanting to go to Southern California. Victorville as an end point has always been a nonstarter for us. We would have even less desire to find our way into the vast California megalopolis on public transportation after getting off “the train to nowhere.” Yeah, you could rent a car at the Victorville station, but what’s the point? It would be easier and less expensive to simply drive the three hours through Victorville and then on to Los Angeles.

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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    Bah. DesertXPress has to stop somewhere first.

    Heck, start in Vegas, and end it at Primm, for starters. See who bites.
    Meanwhile, continue the leg to Baker.
    Then, open that.
    Meanwhile continue the leg to Barstow. Then to Victorville. By this time, the next stop will have been determined: Palmdale, or San Berdoo/Ontario, or both. And that work can get started.

    Not sure why people think something like this can be built all at once. Gonna be 10 years from first dig.

    Oh, and the Vegas blog really has no idea who would be served by this train. Certainly not Vegas people. Really, you think you get to hop on a train and go to a Dodger/Laker game? Delusional.

    Optimal way to have High-Speed Rail to UInion Station would be to tunnel. These mountains create far too many curves to keep the speed high. Oh, and this will be expensive. Start digging now.
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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    I think they need to announce an alignment and a final destination for Desert Express as L.A. Union Station (eventually) and/or someplace they can link up with a passenger train completing the run into L.A. Union Station.

    And the Vegas end has to have good connections around town, too - they need to run a Las Vegas Monorail spur over to the terminus also, and expand the system out so the Commuters and Tourists can get to their jobs and hotels. That's the only way they will get enough support from either end.

    And if they get started building it and open each segment as it's ready to go, I'll betcha they will find that those intermediate stops - Primm, Baker, Barstow, Victorville, Palmdale, (Santa Clarita?), and (Sylmar? North Hollywood?) get a surprising amount of commuter and local tourism travel. And the residential activity at each stop will pop dramatically.

    People tired of living in Vegas Valley proper (hotter than heck all summer) can choose to live in a more temperate spot along the route. Or they can afford five acres of their very own on a hilltop. Or have a little farm and go home to ride a tractor on the weekends.

    It won't be ready for "taking in a Dodgers Game tonight" for twenty plus years - but if they get started soon (when we get the economy back on a sound footing would be the only caveat I'd insist on...), their kids will be able to.

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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    I agree. They could just say that it will go all the way to Union Station and start building with that assumption.
    If it doesn't make it there, then, well, too bad 30 years from now.
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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    Starting July 1st Metrolink is offering a $10 weekend pass good on any train.

    Starting July 2nd Metrolink is expansion its weekend service to the Orange County.

    Metrolink :: Metrolink Schedule Change effective July 2, 2011


    You won't get to the Parks in time for opening, but if you have an AP, $10 round trip to Disneyland or Knott's for a few hours on a Saturday or Sunday is one hell of a deal!

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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    Late train goes south (9:21PM from Anaheim), but last train to Union Station is 5:32PM.
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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    Departing at 5:32 PM headed toward L.A. Union Station would only work for the majority (coming from the north) if you plan to get a room and stay overnight.

    I'm not going through that much hassle to get down there (Walk a mile, Metro Local bus, Orange Line, Red Line, Metrolink, OCTA local bus...) just to have 3 or 4 hours in the park and have to start heading back right when it's getting good.

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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    Metrolink has added new trains, including, in Orange County, those listed at the bottom of this page:

    Metrolink Expanded Weekend Service

    Metrolink has also expanded weekday service. And, the O.C.T.A. is offering a $7 rail/bus pass that provides unlimited travel for one day throughout Orange County.

    Metolink Expanded Weekday Service

    The latest train now leaves Anaheim for Los Angeles at 9:22 on the weekdays and 5:36 on the weekends.

    The latest train now leaves Anaheim for Oceanside at 10:09 on the weekdays and 9:21 on the weekends.

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