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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    65 miles. Should take, what, about 20 minutes? Unless there will be five stops inbetween.
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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    So the Federal Government builds the spine, and San Diego and Los Angeles are legs, and San Francisco and Sacramento are arms.

    We just need to build Arms and Legs locally. Or ask for more money from Washington.

    Why are we complaining that the spine is being built first?

    Its the easiest section to build, less community fighting about grade separation, route and so forth. Let the Arms and Legs get themselves together as to what path the HSR will take through their communities while construction begins in the flat farmlands of the Central Valley.

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    As I've said numerous times in this and the former thread: It's way too expensive. Cut it to 1/10th of the current cost, and I'd be all over it.
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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    That's easy to say. Prefer I imitate Bewitched and winkle my nose or maybe à la I Dream of Jeanie - I can make that magically happen

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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    Just some related news.

    Acela Express is being tested upto 165 MPH in the Northeast Corridor this week, so it may run at 160MPH in some sections.

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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    Quote Originally Posted by CaliforniaAdventurer View Post
    That's easy to say. Prefer I imitate Bewitched and winkle my nose or maybe à la I Dream of Jeanie - I can make that magically happen
    OK, let's look at it another way:
    Is there an amount of money that this could cost where you would say, "No, that's too expensive"?

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    There are lots of money need to increase transportation and for recover that money will be needed to millions of new visitors at the Disneyland Resort. Overcrowding of four wheeler impact the environment so Mass Transit is best option for visitors to Disneyland Resort.
    Agreed.
    But Team Disney Anaheim (or Disney Parks) has decided to offer annual parking passes with Annual Passes for the parks, which encourage Annual Passholders to drive solo instead of with friends.

    Clogs up highways, clogs up the air, clogs up the parking lots.

    So, they're no help, either.
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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    Quote Originally Posted by sediment View Post
    OK, let's look at it another way:
    Is there an amount of money that this could cost where you would say, "No, that's too expensive"?

    It's a good question, but California real estate is expensive. Construction costs just keep going up and up. So, unless there's a way to acheive the same results for less money, it costs what it costs.

    They could go less grandiose with the stations.

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    Would you say no if it costs, say, $3 trillion? Just wondering if you have a number in which you would say, no, that's too much.
    You see, my number has already been exceeded. Yours, if it exists, has not. Yet.
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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    You know, the Golden Gate Bridge and Hoover Dam were REALLY expensive. We didn't really have the money during the Depression. But building it helped lead us out of the Depression and eventually they are priceless. So I don't have a "magic number" but I know this is a very expensive project.

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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    I probably wouldn't build such a massive station without being sure if or when the HSR will connect to Anaheim.

    Anaheim transportation center picks up speed

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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    Quote Originally Posted by CaliforniaAdventurer View Post
    You know, the Golden Gate Bridge and Hoover Dam were REALLY expensive. We didn't really have the money during the Depression. But building it helped lead us out of the Depression and eventually they are priceless. So I don't have a "magic number" but I know this is a very expensive project.
    Apples and Oranges - the Golden Gate bridge brought in tolls that paid down the costs, and Hoover Dam had a huge business selling the generated electricity as soon as the dam was completed. Even when they only had the first batch of turbines online.

    But the CA High Speed Rail Project can only bring in large income WHEN IT'S COMPLETE and running in revenue service - that's normal, see above. Problem is, they are starting the CAHSR in the middle of nowhere where there isn't all that much call for transportation on the route.

    If they spend all that money and we only get the first 65 Miles in service and it stops, it really can't make enough money to cover costs. It has to go between large enough population centers and employment centers to make enough ridership and therefore some money.

    Los Angeles to Palmdale will make money from commuters - not a ton, but enough to pay salaries while they keep building. Los Angeles to Palmdale to Sacramento will make more, and they keep forging forward. Or San Francisco and start headed south into some of the population centers that direction.

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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    I think what is being forgotten is the spending won't only be on building a section of HSR line. It's also upgrade and modernize existing lines. It is intended to have the SoCal and NoCal built up to modern rail feeder systems before HSR connects to them.

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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    Quote Originally Posted by Bruce Bergman View Post
    Apples and Oranges - the Golden Gate bridge brought in tolls that paid down the costs, and Hoover Dam had a huge business selling the generated electricity as soon as the dam was completed. Even when they only had the first batch of turbines online.

    But the CA High Speed Rail Project can only bring in large income WHEN IT'S COMPLETE and running in revenue service - that's normal, see above. Problem is, they are starting the CAHSR in the middle of nowhere where there isn't all that much call for transportation on the route.

    If they spend all that money and we only get the first 65 Miles in service and it stops, it really can't make enough money to cover costs. It has to go between large enough population centers and employment centers to make enough ridership and therefore some money.

    Los Angeles to Palmdale will make money from commuters - not a ton, but enough to pay salaries while they keep building. Los Angeles to Palmdale to Sacramento will make more, and they keep forging forward. Or San Francisco and start headed south into some of the population centers that direction.

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    i'd have liked that but the urban sections cost many times over per mile what the rural sections cost, and the Obama administration is offering to build the spine. It's a start, and without a start - the project will never happen at all.

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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    Quote Originally Posted by CaliforniaAdventurer View Post
    I probably wouldn't build such a massive station without being sure if or when the HSR will connect to Anaheim.

    Anaheim transportation center picks up speed

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    This is a good follow up to that post.


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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    Extending monorail seems so much easier, and won't cause more traffic.
    Along the power wires, over The 5, then turn south along the rail tracks. Easy.
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