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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    Quote Originally Posted by sediment View Post
    Extending monorail seems so much easier, and won't cause more traffic.
    Along the power wires, over The 5, then turn south along the rail tracks. Easy.
    Sediment, you're not being consistent - a streetcar "but without the vintage open-air feel or the clanging bells" costs less than 1/2 of what a monorail would cost.

    Walt's vision of monorail transport could be on display here. Is that worth 300 million dollars?

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    Hey, good article!

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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    Streetcar is step 1.
    When Angel Stadium is torn down for Theme Park #4 (or just Parking lot #7), the monorail will be way nicer. No accidents with cars.

    no, it's not worth $300m. Drop it to 10% of that, and we got a deal.

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    Monorail - Transportation Benefit-Cost Analysis

    An interesting, but old, study about monorail extension in Seattle.
    Apparently not built, even with a pretty good return on investment.
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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    I wonder if they will ever develop a light rail line from LA's Union Station to Santa Ana along the West Santa Ana Transit Corridor:

    The West Santa Ana Transit Corridor is a railroad right-of-way (ROW) that extends for approximately 20 miles between the City of Paramount in Los Angeles County and the City of Santa Ana in Orange County. The railroad corridor was once part of the Pacific Electric (PE) Railway, or Red Car system that provided mass transit service to Southern California from 1901 to 1961. Metro purchased the Los Angeles portion of the corridor which is referred to as the West Santa Ana Branch in the 1990s.
    West Santa Ana Transit Corridor

    While focusing on the former PEROW, the study is evaluating possible connections 12 miles north to Union Station, and 2 miles south to the City of Santa Ana Regional Transportation Center (SARTC) for a total of 34 miles. Potential project alternatives under evaluation in the AA include two Bus Rapid Transit (BRT) options, four Light Rail Transit (LRT), Street Car, and Low Speed Magnetic Levitation (Maglev) options along with “No-Build” and Transportation Systems Management (TSM) improvements.
    Project map here

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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    Quote Originally Posted by CaliforniaAdventurer View Post
    I wonder if they will ever develop a light rail line from LA's Union Station to Santa Ana along the West Santa Ana Transit Corridor? <Snip boilerplate and maps>
    Well, if LA METRO purchased the Right Of Way, at least the Los Angeles County part is locked up. And as long as they don't allow anyone to encroach on it, and don't get a bunch of NIMBY's up in arms about the reopening plans, the rail line can be resurrected.

    Now what's the land ownership status of the Orange County half of the PE West Santa Ana ROW corridor? That could be a problem.

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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    Passage of Measure J means something might happen in our lifetime.

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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    That's the ROW I've looked at and posted about. Goes about 3 miles away from DL. The power lines are a right-of-way that could be used (as long as power lines and light-rail/fast-monorail can coexist) takes you right to the back of the DLH, swing south of it, then glide into the DTD monorail stop, then on to ARTIC from there.
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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    Or straight to Santa Ana and back up to ARTIC?

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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    Well, I was thinking of a separate line, monorail, perhaps, that meets with this Santa Ana line at or near Katella, not instead of going to Santa Ana. Even just a straight line down Katella to ARTIC would suffice. No extreme need to detour to DTD, since that would go away from the Convention Center.

    Hmm, now perhaps a monorail from Santa Ana to DL and back, via ARTIC, using the current Metrolink ROW? Might be a tough turn in that small triangle where Santa Ana Transportation Center is. I mean, this would be a much faster monorail than Disneyland's, so a wider radiused u-turn might be necessary. Perhaps two-way trains (front and back driver cabs) would be easier. Two rails, though.
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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    Is there any issue with using The LA River as the right of way? Elevating on one side or the other? Lots of power lines, I think, might be an issue.
    To get to LA River from Green Line meet-up, go above the Green Line, then turn north at LA River.

    Really, why am I not getting paid for this advice??

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    U.S. Taxpayers Are Gouged on Mass Transit Costs - Bloomberg

    This is what I'm talking about.
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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    Soon You'll Be Able to Take a Train to a Streetcar to a Monorail to Disneyland

    Soon You'll Be Able to Take a Train to a Streetcar to a Monorail to Disneyland - Meanwhile in the OC... - Curbed LA

    The 3.2-mile line will connect the under-construction ARTIC train station--with connections to Amtrak, Metrolink, and possibly high-speed rail--to the Anaheim Convention Center, with stops at the Platinum Triangle, GardenWalk Mall, and Disneyland. A monorail, similar to the one that gets people into Disneyland, was also considered (too expensive), as was a bus system (little federal funding or opportunity for surrounding development). No word on an anticipated opening for the streetcar just yet.
    http://la.curbed.com/uploads/2012_10_streetcar.jpg

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    Anaheim council backs streetcar plan

    Plan to run streetcars between transportation hub and popular tourist attractions could be running by 2018

    Anaheim OKs $319 million plan for streetcars | city, million, project - News - The Orange County Register

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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    I think the streetcar is a welcome addition to the city. Monorails are just too expensive to build today. This seems more logistical for the amount of people who will probably take it.
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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    It would be cool if it ran off Harbor Blvd. on a seperate track parallel to the street (where the former parking trams drove around DCA 1.0 to drop guests in the back parking lot.)

    In exchange for the ROW Disney could secure an additional stop at the main entrance plaza.

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