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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    Back to the subject of HIGH SPEED TRAINS linking Anaheim to Los Angeles, San Francisco and Sacramento:

    Mobility Summit concludes L.A. County should prepare for high-speed rail (LA Daily News)
    While funding remains a question, transit experts at the Valley Mobility Summit 2012 in Valencia Monday concluded optimistically that high-speed rail is heading our way and L.A. County transit agencies need to coordinate planning efforts to take full advantage of it. Who knows? Maybe planning for high-speed rail would develop into a new kind of coordination that could significantly benefit our region.
    See also: Mobility summit consensus: Prepare for high-speed rail - LA Daily News

    Some components of that system could be in place around the San Fernando and Santa Clarita valleys in 10 years, according to various estimates.

    One goal is to have the high-speed line connect to other transit systems at Palmdale to feed passengers in and out the Los Angeles area. It's a big project, but California is used to this kind of a challenge, said Jeff Morales, the rail authority's CEO.


    "California is the ninth biggest economy in the world. This is not just about getting people from Point A to Point B. It's about connecting economies," he said.


    The project is expected to create "tens of thousands of jobs," he noted.
    Plans call for 800 miles of track and 24 stations along the route from San Francisco to San Diego. A trip from the Bay Area to Los Angeles would take two hours and 40 minutes, officials said.


    It's a long-term view because the system could take 25 to 30 years to build.


    Morales said the authority is hoping that local agencies along the line will work toward a "blended system" to get the most efficiency out of high-speed rail for the region.
    "It will make high-speed rail a success when it comes into L.A.," Morales said.


    Some big rail transit projects are already under way that will tie into the new network.
    This summer Bob Hope Airport broke ground on a 520,000-square-foot Regional Intermodal Transportation Center on the site of an old parking lot. The $112.6 million facility, which is expected to be finished in 2014, will help ease the flow of passengers who arrive via public transportation.


    ---------- Post added 10-26-2012 at 01:26 PM ----------

    For a map of the statewide system, click here: California High-Speed Rail Authority

    Burbank to Anaheim - 27 minutes
    Palmdale to Anaheim - 46 minutes

    Not only is this a boon for visitors to Disneyland, it makes it possible for Disney to recruit employees from a much larger area outside Orange County.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GhostHostJeff View Post
    I think the streetcar is a welcome addition to the city. Monorails are just too expensive to build today. This seems more logistical for the amount of people who will probably take it.
    I'd have rather seen elevated trains (monorail) but this is better than added bus service.

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    Public transportation use climbs with gas prices - Whittier Daily News

    I'm sure many Disney employees would use the train (Metrolink, future HSR, possible Santa Ana-to-Union Station line) if the streetcar delivered them from ARTIC to the gate.

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    West Santa Ana Branch Corridor: The transit project would connect Santa Ana in Orange County and Union Station in Los Angeles using (in part) former streetcar right-of-ways. The Southern California Association of Governments has finished a draft alternatives analysis, which considers several alternatives, including bus rapid transit, light rail and maglev trains. The estimated completion date under Metro’s long-range plan is 2027. Project website
    Four years later: the status of Measure R transit projects | The Source
    Hopefully Measure J will pass and they can shave 15-20 years off the wait time for this light rail line.

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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    Q: I'm out here in TO/Westlake Village, and there is a "Measure R" project on TO Blvd in LA County, just west of Lindero.
    Anyone know what this project is? All I see is dirt being hauled in/out by large trucks.
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    Measure R is funding improvements to the 101 corridor - this is likely one of them.

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    I'm thinking it's dirt from the Purple Line extension dig.
    Might be 405 dirt.
    But again, I don't know if the dirt is coming or going. Not sure if I care enough to ask.

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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    I've been considering options to move guests from the ARTIC station to the parks.

    Gondola Lift system
    These certainly don't move at highway speed but since they can fly over the traffic intersections, they do have the same average speed of a bus or street car. While this is the same sort of transport system as the old Skyways, they can carry considerably more on modern systems. The gondolas are fully automatic unlike the skyway which had to be physically pushed. While skyway cabins fit a family each, newer gondolas can hold 12-16 per cabin. They are considerably cheap to build compared to rail systems. Have a very flexible design that can negotiate corners, have multiple stations.

    Draw backs are they need to stop to load ECVs and capacity is relatively low at about 3,000 per hours in practical use. The 2nd problem can be alleviated by building mulitple lines.
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    Grade Separate Bus Systems.
    This is an alternative to light rails, or street cars with similiar costs. They have no advantage except for flexible use. Not bounded by track they can be pulled out of the way when broken and in some cases can continue down a non grade separated route. Used in some runs multiple cabins can be linked in a train like setup to increase capactiy.

    They really don't have a draw back, and are comparable to rail. While buses are cheaper themselves, constructing over and under passes drives the cost up.
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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    Gondolas... I like it. Over the freeway would be easy enough, but the power lines might be more difficult.
    How long would such a trip take?
    Maybe more like Heavenly's cattle carrier. That one is huge.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sediment View Post
    Gondolas... I like it. Over the freeway would be easy enough, but the power lines might be more difficult.
    How long would such a trip take?
    Maybe more like Heavenly's cattle carrier. That one is huge.
    The power lines, don't provide a huge problem. The don't need to be high in the air, they could be suspended right over the ground provider there is a barrier people don't walk into them. You could place the towers in the median of road ways.

    Answer:
    Contemporary gondolas go about 15 mph and some faster at max speed. They are omnimovers in a sense but the cabins come off the fast drive cable to load/unload. In loading they use an omnimover system of rollers to move them through the loading area slowly. With the train estimate at 18 minutes, it would probably take about 15 minutes by gondola depending on the length of the route.

    The problem is you can step onto something moving perpendicular to you, but it's hard to roll onto something like that because you then rotate. Particularily difficult when you don't normally do this, akin to loading a boat that isn't fixed to a dock. So for HCA need you stop the cabins and the whole system stops together.

    To solve this you may want to run two parallel, one for able/ambulatory guests, and one that is HCA and could load strollers, although it would stop a lot. I haven't seen one of these in person but they are in the Alps. They are called something like a pulse lift. Basically the cabins are not equally distributed on the line, but in groups. So like MFW that loads three cabins in a row, you fill 5-7 or however many fit in a station, and they all go off in a group, then it stops when the next group of cabins comes into a station. This designed can be more elastic, so many more cabins fit in a station than a standard gondola. Of course this would mean the HCA/stroller gondola could take much more time. Either an incentive to use your legs, or rents wheels in the Esplanade. A scenario like the escalator, elevator on the M&F garage.


    The cattle carrier at Heavenly:
    I think what you are referring to is the Aerial Tram. While it fits a lot of people(like you and 100 superclose friends) in the cabins it's can't continuously operate, and has comparatively lower capacity for a similar ride time.

    Capacity isn't terribly high, maybe 3K pushed upto 4K per hour(hard to say if that's realistic when random guests are loading versus seasons skiers). If 3,000 ARTIC passengers, and 3,000 guests parking near ARTIC, and 3,000 CMs, and 3,000 other Harbor businesses' employees show up between 7am and 9am, you would probably need two lines to fulfill the peak demand.

    The cost can be very low. $10-30M, with the cost mainly associated with the terminal stations that can be spartan or highly ornate.

    The biggest problem is that these are one big apparatus, while cabins can be put offlines to clean and maintain, and motors have backups, the cable is integral to the system. Cables do stretch over time and need replacement. It's not like a ski area that has summer to take lifts apart. Again if you build two next to each other, closing one at a time would probably be fine for a few weeks in winter.

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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    Quote Originally Posted by CaliforniaAdventurer View Post
    I'd have rather seen elevated trains (monorail) but this is better than added bus service.
    Me too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sediment View Post
    I'm thinking it's dirt from the Purple Line extension dig.
    Might be 405 dirt.
    But again, I don't know if the dirt is coming or going. Not sure if I care enough to ask.

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    Found it:
    Westlake Village park moves forward slowly » Ventura County Star Mobile
    Apparently a YMCA/park is going to be built there, and the Measure R funds are for building the access road.
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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    Quote Originally Posted by sediment View Post
    Found it:
    Westlake Village park moves forward slowly » Ventura County Star Mobile
    Apparently a YMCA/park is going to be built there, and the Measure R funds are for building the access road.
    Hmm that sounds too bad that they will have a expensive access road and parking lot into a empty grass field for the time being. Far from what was originally planned. Coming soon, swings!

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    Not even sure when the grass will arrive!
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