Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

[CaliforniaAdventurer]

Open Thread: Big Dig Alternative Analysis Released | Streetsblog Los Angeles

These are all the alternatives that were studied and the results of the studies.

[sleepyjeff]

Great link Cal but there must be some mistake.......catapults and slingshots were no where to be found

[sediment]

Your thrifty ideas have been eliminated from the 42 proposals that were evaluated, Sediment.

That's just it. Nobody in that area is going to allow the houses bulldozed or a cut and cover.

A 5 billion dollar bored tunnel is the only freeway proposal under consideration.

Most of the houses have already been abandoned.

Too bad for them who are still there. They're already being overpolluted by the street traffic.

[CaliforniaAdventurer]

They're not "abandoned" they're rented out by the state and there are families living in them, kids going to school in local schools and the houses are still very much a part of the community, although some have been cited for violations.

[sediment]

So, they move. You think that is a big deal, compared with the pollution affecting 10 milion people? They'll get plenty of notice. The evidence is this study (two months late), as well as the 60-year history of getting this freeway.

[CaliforniaAdventurer]

No offense, but it's complicated; you clearly don't understand the hostility of the electorate to this in Pasadena.

You would be run out of town on the Arroyo Seco with these straightforward ideas.

[sediment]

Oh, I know exactly what kind of irrationality exists there. That is why I don't spout my views in that area. What would be the point? I'm not on any transportation board nor do I have any say.
It's just that I'm right about what to do. This study verifies it.

There's always someone who is hurt by whatever a government does. Sometimes it's a whole lot of people in a little way (like a tiny increase in taxes), sometimes it's a few people in a big way (buying their homes and land via eminent domain).

I would just dig the trench, then enclose it as needed. Not sure if 20 feet of dirt and a park on top is necessary for the whole way. Some hard, soundproofed plastic might be all that's needed.

[CaliforniaAdventurer]

It sounds... ugly. And that area is really nice, I don't think they want to see a freeway split the community in two. Or covered in plastic.

[swampymarsh]

You take this old idea.


It has a problem. Sound of the angled walls is reflected up and across. Anyway this old idea, needed more lanes and those walls are now vertical. Trapping sound which mitigates it.


So they build things like this.


Go like this to make it look nice.


Go like this to make it productive.



There is an anti 710 campaign. It suggest the same funds be used to expand frieght rail from port to futher inland. So containers can go on trains and moved out of the area to be transferred onto trucks, instead of trucks the whole way.

[TravisMT81]

California officials OK $8.6 bln in debt for high-speed rail | Reuters

[CaliforniaAdventurer]

Great posts, guys.

LA Planning More Development, Ped-Friendliness Around Expo - PlanningWatch - Curbed LA

[swampymarsh]

Great posts, guys.

LA Planning More Development, Ped-Friendliness Around Expo - PlanningWatch - Curbed LA

I'm glad they are consiering this. LA's 50 years of development without transit in mind is really its own fault. Stations were stuck where the train track is, rather than were the people are. It's often the case.

In the Salt Lake City Valley the train there is really good, but that's because it's a valley and the development is in a line. Almost everyone live within 3 miles of the track, because the track goes down the middle of the valley that's 6 miles wide.

LA's spreading out in a true urban sprawl fashion didn't help it in any way. SD's track following the level coastline was natural, but growth can only go away from the coast.


This is an article I didn't get to read all of. It takes about the XpressWest train to LV. About how the data is flawed and why it is purposely flawed.
Unreasonable? Cap. Hill Republicans Use Flawed Report to Hit XpressWest | Streetsblog Los Angeles

[CaliforniaAdventurer]

I go by Hollywood's Capitol Records Building every day and I have to admit these gigantic towers they are proposing to build nearby that will dwarf Capitol Records just seem out of place. The Millennium Hollywood Towers seem like a bad idea. I'm very pro-development, if it's done right. I like integrating street level retail with residential above, within reach of a subway station. But these buildings seem so out of place for the area, not to mention the designs that were shown (not real concept art) were so BLECH.

Planning Staff Recommending Approval For Huge Cap Records-Adjacent Millennium Hollywood Towers - Development Battles - Curbed LA

I'd rather see something go up in the parking lot at Hollywood and Vine itself, Argyle isn't really a busy street.

[Ride Warrior]

I go by Hollywood's Capitol Records Building every day and I have to admit these gigantic towers they are proposing to build nearby that will dwarf Capitol Records just seem out of place. The Millennium Hollywood Towers seem like a bad idea. I'm very pro-development, if it's done right. I like integrating street level retail with residential above, within reach of a subway station. But these buildings seem so out of place for the area, not to mention the designs that were shown (not real concept art) were so BLECH.

Planning Staff Recommending Approval For Huge Cap Records-Adjacent Millennium Hollywood Towers - Development Battles - Curbed LA

I'd rather see something go up in the parking lot at Hollywood and Vine itself, Argyle isn't really a busy street.

Lower expectations would be a good thing in the case of these towering obstructions.

It is exciting that Anaheim is back in the mix as an HSR connection....especially since a People Mover or Monorail system will take you back and forth from the HSR station.

[sediment]

This is an article I didn't get to read all of. It takes about the XpressWest train to LV. About how the data is flawed and why it is purposely flawed.
Unreasonable? Cap. Hill Republicans Use Flawed Report to Hit XpressWest | Streetsblog Los Angeles

If there exists a neutral party to determine what is factual and what is fiction, i'd like them to figure this one out. Some people are claiming the forecast ridership is flawed, and other people are claiming that the flawed conclusions are flawed.
As for "and as anyone who has been stuck in the horrible Interstate 15 traffic to and from Vegas knows, there is very much a market for this train," I say, "Drive up Thursday, and/or drive home Monday." I've yet to be stuck in that traffic.
So, there is a market for a train from LA starting at Friday 3PM until, say, 9PM. There is a market home to LA starting at 11AM Sunday until, say, 11PM.
The rest of the week is pretty sweet.