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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    RE-DEVELOPMENT AT LOS ANGELES AIRPORT:

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    New people mover set to debut at Phoenix airport (Arizona Daily Star)



    Dubbed the “Sky Train,” the automated system connects the airport’s busiest terminal to airport parking and a nearby light rail station. A people mover is among the alternatives being studied by Metro and Los Angeles World Airports as a way to connect the Crenshaw/LAX Line and/or a light rail extension to the LAX terminals (here’s the Metro Airport Connector home page). According to this fact sheet, the 1.7-mile first phase of the project cost $644 million and will take five minutes to travel between the light rail station and Terminal 4. The city plans to extend the system to connect with other terminals and the airport’s rental car center.
    OK we're not adding PHOENIX to the Greater Los Angeles area, folks, but this is the type of PEOPLE MOVER that LAX is considering to join the airport to the upcoming light rail station that will be built.

    http://azstarnet.com/business/local/...a8b422d4f.html
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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    LAX Will Probably Get a People Mover No Matter What

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    The two agencies that need to work together to make a rail connection to LAX happen are playing nice--Metro, which is building the Crenshaw Line light rail and its LAX-adjacent station, is collaborating with Los Angeles World Airports, the airport's owner, on concepts to shuttle travelers and employees to terminals. While Metro decides whether to bring the light rail directly to the terminals or let people connect from the Crenshaw/Green Line's Century/Aviation station via an elevated people mover, LAWA's project manager says a people mover will happen either way, the Architect's Newspaper reports (even if light rail went to the middle of the airport, a people mover would still be necessary since LAX is so big).
    LAX Will Probably Get a People Mover No Matter What - Ride to the Airport - Curbed LA
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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    Someone at LADOT Wants a Monorail to Dodger Stadium

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    A new post about Dodger Stadium traffic on County Supervisor Zev Yaroslavsky's website really buries the lead: the Department of Transportation is pro-monorail. Well, at least one guy is. Asked for a long-term solution to the perennial problem of traffic before and after Dodger games, Aram Sahakian replied "my personal recommendation would be a monorail."
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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    Monorail from, say, Union Station to Dodger Stadium?
    Hmm, (going to Google Maps...)...
    Follow Gold Line to about Bernard Street, turn left, go over The 110, and up to Dodger Stadium.
    It's pretty steep, though. Not sure a monorail could handle it. Fernicular, maybe.

    Then, just have Metrolink have trains available after the game.

    An alternative would be to have the monorail built above The 110, ending at 7th Street/Metro Center, where nearly all the light rail trains meet.

    One of the benefits of this is that McCourt loses parking fee money (he still owns part of the parking lot). Downside is that commercial development could ensue at Dodger Stadium, making him money.
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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    Quote Originally Posted by sediment View Post
    An alternative would be to have the monorail built above The 110, ending at 7th Street/Metro Center, where nearly all the light rail trains meet.
    Well, soon enough that's not going to be the only transfer point:

    http://la.curbed.com/uploads/2012_08...lconnector.jpg

    Regional Connector : Curbed LA

    Soon the Blue Line will go from Azusa to Long Beach, stopping at Chinatown and Union Stations.

    The Expo Line and the East LA portion of the Gold Line will be one East-West line.

    Not sure which colors will be assigned to which lines, but that's the intent of the Regional Connector Project. They are already doing underground utility relocation work and the project will start construction at the end of the year.

    Quote Originally Posted by sediment View Post
    One of the benefits of this is that McCourt loses parking fee money (he still owns part of the parking lot). Downside is that commercial development could ensue at Dodger Stadium, making him money.
    Good points...
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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    If Disneyland Resort is connected to a functioning mass transit system, more and more guests will come by train / bus and that will free up Disney's remaining land holdings for hotels and a third theme park, instead of for parking cars.

    That said, here are some of the regional projects we are following:

    Here Are SoCal's 40 Planned Transportation Projects

    Here's a full list of all the projects, with their names, their status, and their pricetags.
    1) Gold Line Foothill Extension Phase I light rail/ Construction/ $735 million
    2) E Street Bus Rapid Transit Corridor/ Construction/ $192 million
    3) Expo Line Phase II light rail/ Construction/ $1.5 billion
    4) Crenshaw/LAX light rail/ Construction/ $1.749 billion
    5) Perris Valley Line commuter rail/ Engineering/ $248 million
    6) Westside Subway Extension/ Engineering / $6.29 billion
    7) Regional Connector light rail/ Engineering/ $1.366
    8) Wilshire BRT/ Engineering/ $32 million
    9) Downtown LA Streetcar/ Engineering/ $125 million
    10) Redlands Rail Line Phase 1 commuter rail/ Engineering/ $130-150
    11) San Fernando Valley Corridors Phase 1 BRT/ Alternatives Analysis study/ $13 million
    12) West Santa Ana Transit Corridor/ AA/ $1.075 - 3.217 million
    13) Gold Line Foothill Extension Phase 2 light rail (to Montclair)/ AA/ $850 million
    14) Gold Line Eastside Transit Corridor Phase II light rail/ AA/ $1.8 - 2.2. billion
    15) Metro Green Line South Bay Extension light rail/ AA/ $555 million
    16) Aerial Tram San Bernardino to Big Bear/ AA/ $2.8 -5 million
    17) East San Fernando Valley Corridor BRT or LRT/ AA/ $158 million
    18) Green Line to LAX light rail or people mover/ AA/ $110 - 1.270 million
    19) Anaheim Rapid Connection streetcar/ Engineering/ $319 million
    20) Santa Ana and Garden Grove Fixed Guideway streetcar/ AA/ $180 - 250 million
    21) Gold Line Foothill Extension Phase 3 (to Ontario Airport) light rail/ Future Plan/ $308 - 399 million
    22) Sepulveda Pass Transit Corridor subway/light rail/BRT/ Future Plan/ $2.468 billion
    23) Foothill Blvd East sbX BRT/ Future Plan/ $215 million
    24) Holt Avenue/4th Street BRT/ Future Plan/ $208 million
    25) Euclid Avenue to Corona BRT/ Future Plan/ $179 million
    26) San Bernadino Avenue BRT/ Future Plan/ $119 million
    27) Foothill Blvd West BRT/ Future Plan/ $166 million
    28) Grand/Edison Avenues BRT/ Future Plan/ $179 million
    29) Sierra Avenues BRT/ Future Plan/ $79 million
    30) Riverside Avenues BRT/ Future Plan/ $174 milliom
    31) Haven Avenues BRT/ Future Plan/ $109 million
    32) Fullerton Streetcar/ Future Plan/ ?
    33) Harbor Blvd. BRT (Fullerton to Costa Mesa)/ Future Plan/ ?
    34) Westminster/17th BRT (Santa Ana to Long Beach)/ Future Plan/ ?
    35) Bristol/State College BRT (Brea Mall-Irvine Transportation Ctr.)/ Future Plan/ ?
    36) La Palma BRT/ Future Plan/ ?
    37) Beach Blvd. BRT/ Future Plan/ ?
    38) Edinger BRT/ Future Plan/ ?
    39) Katella BRT/ Future Plan/ ?
    40) Coachella to LA Commuter Rail/ Future Plan/ ?
    Here Are SoCal's 40 Planned Transportation Projects - The Commute - Curbed LA

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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    Quote Originally Posted by sediment View Post
    It's pretty steep, though. Not sure a monorail could handle it. Fernicular, maybe.
    Monorails can handle some rather impressive grades. You're talking rubber tire on cement/other surface, not steel wheel on steel rail.

    Check out picture of the Shonan monorail to get an idea how steep they can go.

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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    I don't see any of these pics of Shonan monorail on an incline on google.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaliforniaAdventurer View Post
    I don't see any of these pics of Shonan monorail on an incline on google.
    Shonan Monorail

    And a 10 degree slope converts to a 17.6% grade. Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if that's a typo and its a 10% grade. That's still steep though.
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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    CALIFORNIA HIGH SPEED RAIL NEWS:

    High-speed rail a highlight of Brown’s China trip (Sacramento Bee)

    Gov. Jerry Brown is visiting China and will be checking out China’s vast and relatively new (and highly government subsidized) high-speed rail system. With California’s bullet train still many billions of dollars shy of the funding it needs to complete a San Francisco-to-Los Angeles leg, Gov. Brown will also be inquiring about Chinese interest in investing in the California project.
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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    Probably should go all 19th-Century and get Chinese labor. That would cut costs.
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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    Your joke is about right for the 19th Century, too. Boo!

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    GONDOLA TRANSPORTATION:

    The golden age of gondolas might be just around the corner (The Atlantic Cities)
    New urban gondola systems have popped up here and there across the globe and La Paz is planning a seven-mile system. Proponents cite their cost, saying gondolas go for $3 million to $12 million a mile compared to, say, a $400 million-a-mile-or-more subway. Skeptics (such as yours truly) point to the fact that a train holds a lot more people. That said, gondolas do seem to work well in some places — i.e. hilly areas where they can serve a direct route and not have to carry crushing commuter loads. If memory serves, I recall one was studied to connect Chinatown and Dodger Stadium; lack of capacity was seen as the issue. I think at some point there was also a Griffith Park plan that mentioned a gondola to the Observatory, an idea that made some park neighbors hopping mad.

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    The gondola renaissance began, more or less, with Medellín. In 2004, the Colombian city built a gondola to connect one of its sprawling hillside neighborhoods to the trunk line of the Metro, which runs along the fold of the valley. The success of that project inspired the construction of two more lines, which in turn helped make the city an international destination for mayors and urban thinkers, and the winner of the Urban Land Institute’s Innovation City of the Year last month.


    Medellín had imitators. In 2007, Portland, Oregon, built a tramway to connect a university campus to downtown. New York City renovated its Roosevelt Island Tram in 2010. In 2009, Manizales, Colombia, installed a gondola system in imitation of Medellin. The next year, Caracas built one; the year after, Rio de Janeiro did too.


    Last year, London built an aerial cable crossing the Thames, and in the fall, La Paz announced it will build the world's largest gondola transit network, with eleven stations and over seven miles of cable. The French cities of Brest and Toulouse will complete cable transport in 2015 and 2017, respectively.
    http://www.theatlanticcities.com/com...d-corner/5220/

    Well-known to Americans are the cable cars of San Francisco, the first of which was developed in 1873. Despite their resemblance to the common streetcar, these vehicles have more in structural common with gondolas and trams. Alpine cities like Grenoble installed aerial cable transport as early as 1934. Cable transport was an early proposed alternative to the project that became the Paris Métro.
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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    I brought up gondolas as a possibe transit option from the ARTIC station to DLR.

    The article is ok. Most of these systems are for tourists to get to the city's overlook. As far as being a century or half century old, that's not quite true. Capacity largely gained in the late 80's making them more viable, because of new lift systems at ski areas they got much faster. No longer do you get pushed out of terminals by attendants like on the Skyway they are fully automated except for an attendant at a slow/estop switch much like Disney's omnimovers.


    It would work well as access to Dodger's Station from Chinatown. The reason is a gondola's capacity can handle a smooth slow flow of foot traffic, or a train station pulse of passenger traffic. A train pulls in and a bunch of people get off, they line up and slowly load onto a gondola. After that group has loaded another train shows up and it repeats. After the game a long line forms at the gondola but at the train station the platform slowly gets filled and trains can handle the waiting passengers.

    If you could simply teleport say the 10K fans by train"' from the stadium to station, they would all be waiting at the station for a train with room. Likewise in reverse they would be walking in a crowded blob until they file or toward their gate. A smooth flow of guests to and from the destination alleviates these situations.

    While an eyesore in some cases, you probably would want to have one going over your yard, they are just as bad as the common telephone lines you probably have in front of your house. The cabins can be removed partly of fully depending on demand if a storage area is built along the line.
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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    The thing with gondolas and the ARTIC is that Anaheim wants to have multiple stops along the way, and the private/individualized cabin nature of gondolas make it so that it gets kinda dicey when there's that kind of difference between really busy stations and stations that are more sparsely used.

    So you could have this situation where the ends of the line, the ARTIC and Disneyland, have high turnover of cabins as people get in and out, and then the stations in between some poor customer has to watch dozens of occupied cars go through without being able to get on a single one of them.

    The solution to this would be to have bigger, train-sized cabins along the route that would open its door at every stop, basically an aerial busway, but then you may be negating the small, nimble, ever-moving nature that make gondolas so appealing anyway, as well as increasing cost.

    I do think gondolas may be a better solution than the streetcar, and certainly would be cheaper. Anaheim is almost ideal for something like this: there isn't extreme weather conditions to deal with (the biggest concern with gondolas really), it's flat and the city is relatively low lying (so there's no need to build the towers that high), and there's plenty of accessible space to build the towers and it can go over the 5 freeway (serving as a giant "RESORT AREA" billboard).

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