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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    If you think investments in mass transit are expensive, consider:

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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    SEPULVEDA PASS PROJECT NEWS:

    Metro to host industry forum on May 1 to discuss public-private partnerships to help build the Sepulveda Pass Transit Corridor | Metro's The Source

    Very preliminary estimates indicate that the tunnel scenario could cost at least $6 billion, and likely more, depending upon the length of the tunnel. Measure R is scheduled to provide about $1 billion for the Sepulveda Pass Corridor, and under Metro’s long-range plan this money would not be available until 2030 with the project not completed until 2039. If Metro waits until the 2030s, when the Measure R funding becomes available, it will probably be too little, too late to build a project that could really make a difference for commuters.


    Therefore, to accelerate much-needed additional capacity in the Corridor, Metro is investigating a public-private partnership, in which a consortium of private firms would design, build, finance, operate and maintain a project. Because of the significant investment required to build a project, the facilities would be privately operated so that the concession could generate sufficient revenue to repay their investment.
    This should make you happy, sediment. Public-Private Partnerships (IE: If private money is invested, they can share profits)

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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    HIGH SPEED RAIL NEWS:

    Bid to start high-speed rail in California is hundreds of millions below estimates


    Read more here: Bid to start high-speed rail in California is hundreds of millions below estimates - Wire Lifestyle - The Sacramento Bee

    Rob Wilcox, a spokesman for the rail authority, said a contract proposal will be presented to the agency's board within weeks in anticipation of awarding a contract in time for construction to begin this summer.


    By that time, Wilcox said, the rail authority expects to have begun acquiring the land it needs for the right of way. About 75 parcels are needed by the end of September, and a total of 356 pieces of property will be needed-in whole or in part-for the entire Madera-Fresno section.


    Bid to start high-speed rail in California is hundreds of millions below estimates - Wire Lifestyle - The Sacramento Bee

    Engineers for the rail authority-the state agency in charge of developing the statewide train system-had at one time estimated that the 28-mile portion would cost between $1.5 billion and $2 billion to design and build. More recent estimates suggested the bids would likely come in at $1.2 billion to $1.8 billion.

    The Tutor Perini/Zachry/Parsons bid of $985,142,530 was deemed the "apparent best value" by the rail authority, based on a total score that considered the price and the technical expertise of the competing companies.

    Read more here: Bid to start high-speed rail in California is hundreds of millions below estimates - Wire Lifestyle - The Sacramento Bee

    The Tutor Perini/Zachry/Parsons bid pencils out to about $35.2 million per mile from Avenue 17 near the BNSF Railway freight tracks east of Madera to American Avenue at the south end of Fresno. The construction section will include a bridge over the San Joaquin River; elevated tracks over Herndon Avenue; a tunnel under Belmont Avenue, Highway 180 and a freight railroad line; an elevated railway to cross over Highway 99 at the south end of Fresno; and 12 street or road overpasses.


    Not included in the contract is the relocation of a 2.5-mile stretch of Highway 99 between Ashlan and Clinton avenues through west-central Fresno. That's where the six-lane freeway snuggles up against a Union Pacific Railroad yard, leaving no room to shoehorn the new high-speed tracks into their planned route. The rail authority has agreed to pay Caltrans up to $226 million to handle the chore of moving the freeway 100 feet to the west.

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    HIGH SPEED RAIL NEWS:

    The bids are in from five teams vying for the contract to build the first segment of California's high-speed rail line. But maybe there's a reason why the cheapest bid was so much lower than the others: "11 major projects in the San Francisco Bay Area completed by Tutor [one firm in the lowest-bidding partnership] in the last dozen years cost local governments $765 million more than they expected, or 40 percent above the initial bids."
    High-Speed Rail: Bidding Madness - Curbed LA

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    According to an August report by The Bay Citizen, sister site of California Watch, 11 major projects in the San Francisco Bay Area completed by Tutor in the last dozen years cost local governments $765 million more than they expected, or 40 percent above the initial bids.
    A company spokesman did not return a message seeking comment. CEO Ron Tutor said in the August report that attacks against him were unfounded and overruns were caused by contracting agencies changing the projects in midstream.


    At San Francisco International Airport, the city alleged in a 2002 lawsuit that the company purposely bid low to win a $626 million expansion contract, then charged $980 million for the job. Tutor said there wasn’t “a single fact” justifying the city’s position but eventually agreed to pay $19 million to settle.


    The company’s list of projects includes an extension of Bay Area Rapid Transit to the San Francisco airport, the Alameda Corridor rail line and the San Diego Convention Center.
    In 1993, the Port of San Diego paid the company $17 million to settle a $53 million lawsuit over the convention center project. In the lawsuit, the company blamed port-hired construction managers for delays that cost the company money.
    http://californiawatch.org/dailyreport/bullet-train-bidder-has-history-cost-overruns-18862
    “Tom Bradley, the late mayor of Los Angeles, said it best: Ron Tutor was the change-order artist, the king, and he’s proven himself to be just that,” Williams told U-T San Diego on Monday.

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    I didn't did deep into the companies that bid, but I think the one selected my be cheapest and safest to do business with. Some companies have names that suggest they were formed just to build the railroads, those fly by night companies could take the money and run.
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    Ron Tutor has a bad rep for 'change ordering' millions in additional costs to the construction of the Red Line and Metro even took them to court (and won, if Im not mistaken).

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    Well, 30% of 38,000,000 is over 11,000,000 (assuming an unbiased sample of Californians surveyed). That's a lot of riders. Question should be: how often would you ride a bullet train? Twice a week? Once a month? Once a year? Once a lifetime?
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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    HIGH SPEED RAIL NEWS:
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    Mapping Bay Area Transportation Mega Projects - Curbed Maps - Curbed SF

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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    Quote Originally Posted by sediment View Post
    Well, 30% of 38,000,000 is over 11,000,000 (assuming an unbiased sample of Californians surveyed). That's a lot of riders. Question should be: how often would you ride a bullet train? Twice a week? Once a month? Once a year? Once a lifetime?
    If the tickets are not expensive, at least 2-3 times/year for me.

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    If it was true High Speed, Non-Stop two hours and change from LA - SFO I'd ride it several times a year for vacationing, and more if there was employment at the other end - go up on (Monday*) mornings and come home on the weekends. (* - Some people's M-F goes W-Sa on 4-10's, or other weirdness.)

    Too bad that's not what we're going to get, because for starters they're planning on reusing the existing mixed Freight & Passenger train lines which are limited to ~90 MPH -- whenever a freight train isn't fouling a shared section of rails or a shared tunnel. Or there's a "Local" train fouling the main-line. They'll dawdle around the better part of the day getting there, to where flying is far faster.

    They won't have true High-Speed Rail end-to-end for a good 25 to 35 years, and well past the point where I'll care. That means double-track dedicated electrified High-Speed rail the whole way, and all the Local stations along the way will be built as sidings (and with wind blast walls between the siding and main-line for safety) so they can get out of the way of the LA-SF and SF-LA Express trains as they Highball through non-stop at ~160 to ~190 MPH.

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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    Quote Originally Posted by sediment View Post
    Well, 30% of 38,000,000 is over 11,000,000 (assuming an unbiased sample of Californians surveyed). That's a lot of riders. Question should be: how often would you ride a bullet train? Twice a week? Once a month? Once a year? Once a lifetime?
    A round trip ticket would have to substantially less than any airline for me to ride.

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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan120420 View Post
    A round trip ticket would have to substantially less than any airline for me to ride.
    If the time getting to the airport + early check in + flight was about equal to travel time, and prices were competitive, what would your aversion be to high speed rail?

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    Thanks everyone for responding to my survey question, but that was more a rhetorical question in need of a few million respondants.

    Also, I don't see how full TSA treatment wouldn't be implemented on a trillion dollar bullet train. I'm surprised that AMTRAK isn't scanning today.
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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    Quote Originally Posted by sediment View Post
    I don't see how full TSA treatment wouldn't be implemented on a trillion dollar bullet train. I'm surprised that AMTRAK isn't scanning today.
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