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    So, why don't airports charge more to take off and land (or simply raise the gate fees), so they can pay ATC's?
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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

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    So, why don't airports charge more to take off and land (or simply raise the gate fees), so they can pay ATC's?
    The thing is, air travel is heavily subsidized, from the construction of the airport to the maintenance of operating it. Same thing with interstate highways. But it's only when we get to rail that people start saying, "why should there be a public subsidy?"

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    Security on Amtrak would be a nightmare. They only stop at my station for about a minute, and you can have 20 people getting on sometimes. No way they'd scan everybody. Conductors are a much more efficient gauge of who's acting strangely, and a target for further watching. Also, the rails can't be secured along the whole length.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaliforniaAdventurer View Post
    The thing is, air travel is heavily subsidized, from the construction of the airport to the maintenance of operating it. Same thing with interstate highways. But it's only when we get to rail that people start saying, "why should there be a public subsidy?"
    True.
    So, let's cut the air travel subsidies. Not sure why my poor-person tax dollars go to help richer people get around more cheaply.
    Cutting air travel subsidies means more money for rail. Who's with me?!?!
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    Well the reason countries like France have highly developed rail systems is they have a different set of priorities. That way even the poorest person can afford to travel on a train.

    Automobiles and airplanes get the greatest subsidies, but they benefit only the people who can afford a car or a plane ticket.

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    If you subsidize transit for the poor, it increase mobility and opportunity for all, cars and buses. If you subsidize rail it increases trade of good, and transit for some of the lower middle class. If you subsidize air travel you increase competition as informations and goods move quicker. They all have pros and cons.

    If it cost the same to travel by car, rail of air, you still need someplace to sleep when you step out of the vehicle. Hotels are not cheap, and you can't put a tent up or sleep on a bench everywhere.

    Air builds nations, cars build communities. Rail does a little for both.


    The thing is now, air is subsidized but the increase in air traffic is by other nations, mainly ones with oil. We build a bigger airport with public money and it helps them not us. We should maintain what we have, air, and increase what we need more of, rail and car.
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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    LOOKING BACK AT A FREEWAY THAT NEVER WAS:

    This date in history: April 22, 1964 (Primary Resources)
    It was 40 years ago that a plan was released explaining how the proposed Beverly Hills Freeway would be a tunnel while traveling under Beverly Hills with no exits or entrances, by the way. For those keeping score at home, the freeway lost. Check out the report in the post — fascinating read on the east-west freeway that never came to be.
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    April 22 | Metro's Primary Resources

    Map of the two alternative routes: (On Page 23 of 33)

    http://libraryarchives.metro.net/DPG...ls_freeway.pdf


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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    Metro Rail saw increased ridership this past weekend

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    Count me among the riders on the Red and Expo lines. We participated in CicLAvia to the Sea, it was a great event and we enjoyed it very much.

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    Looks like a lot of fun.

    Too many bikes on the trains for the rest of us, though.

    Sunday's trips to and from the hockey game were jam-packed. Somewhat unexpected for a Sunday.

    Much like some delusioned DCA lovers, we liked riding the train more when no one else was on it.
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    Wasn't able to take mass transit to CicLAvia, but we did get to go ride bikes a few miles on the route.
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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    If you think Downtown and the Beach Cities are prime areas for a development boom, you too could be a wealth management investor! "Nearly half of Los Angeles investors see a development boom in Downtown LA (47%) and Beach Cities (44%).

    Entertainment-centered Culver City is seen as the next development boom by a smaller proportion (29%)," according to a press release. Even more (54 percent) see a bright future for the transportation sector. Which, with the Expo Line Phase II, Purple Line, Crenshaw Line, Downtown Streetcar, Gold Line Extension (and 36 more) planned or in the works, is probably a safe bet.

    Meanwhile, the investors are sour on entertainment investments, as well as on tourism. Yep. Pretty much the only surprising thing is that "investors say they are unaffected by the emerging local-tech sector." ·
    LA Investors Predict Development Boom in Places Where Development is Booming - DevelopmentWatch - Curbed LA

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    GETTING PEOPLE OUT OF THEIR CARS:

    As if Wednesday's news that Southern California has once again been crowned the king of filthy air wasn't depressing enough, yet another study has confirmed what Los Angeles residents (and the rest of the world) already know: traffic in L.A. sucks.
    L.A. Named America's Most Congested City (AGAIN): LAist

    Mass transit, anyone?
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    Yes, please! I take transit whenever I can. Much preferred to driving and finding parking, not to mention the price of parking.
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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

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    Meh. We have lots of people with lots of cars.
    Getting more companies to allow working from home would be a lot cheaper than spending someone's (our unborn grandchildren) billions of dollars (every $1 billion is $61 per LA-Area person).
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    Quote Originally Posted by sediment View Post
    Meh. We have lots of people with lots of cars.
    Getting more companies to allow working from home would be a lot cheaper than spending someone's (our unborn grandchildren) billions of dollars (every $1 billion is $61 per LA-Area person).
    But getting people to work at home is generally non competitive and anti business in that sense. While people think they are super connected in this day and age, a lot more collaboration is done in face to face discussion than by email or skype. That costs a lot of money in the sense it's never made.

    LA in particular has freeways running parallel to each other, and still doesn't have a large enough road system. It needs alternatives to cars desperately, to take the burden off the roads. It needs a way to reset the culture that cars aren't a nessecity.
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