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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    GETTING PEOPLE OUT OF THEIR CARS:

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    Meh. We have lots of people with lots of cars.
    Getting more companies to allow working from home would be a lot cheaper than spending someone's (our unborn grandchildren) billions of dollars (every $1 billion is $61 per LA-Area person).
    You're never going to see another new freeway go through any urban area of SoCal.

    Beverly Hills Freeway anyone?
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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    GETTING PEOPLE OUT OF THEIR CARS:

    Quote Originally Posted by swampymarsh View Post
    But getting people to work at home is generally non competitive and anti business in that sense. While people think they are super connected in this day and age, a lot more collaboration is done in face to face discussion than by email or skype. That costs a lot of money in the sense it's never made.

    LA in particular has freeways running parallel to each other, and still doesn't have a large enough road system. It needs alternatives to cars desperately, to take the burden off the roads. It needs a way to reset the culture that cars aren't a nessecity.
    Yes, this. And if Disney can catch on, too, then they can develop their real estate holdings for theme parks, hotels and leisure instead of cement parking garages.
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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    "CRENSHAW LINE" LIGHT RAIL TO LAX:

    The 8.5-mile rail line will connect LAX, likely through a people mover, to the Crenshaw/Expo station on the Expo Line. It's an especially costly project because of numerous tunnels and bridges
    Decision on Crenshaw Line's Leimert Park Stop Arriving Soon - Crenshaw Line - Curbed LA

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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    GETTING PEOPLE OUT OF THEIR CARS:

    While this took place at a University, not a theme park / vacation destination, this dovetails nicely with the conversations we've been having about eliminating parking by increasing public transportation options to the park (both for visitors and Cast Members.)
    Sustainability is part of the ethos in Boulder, where there’s a joke that there are more bikes than people. And the University of Colorado at Boulder has really taken that ideal to heart.

    Almost a third of students — and almost a quarter of faculty and staff — who commute to the CU-Boulder campus do so by bus. Nearly 12 percent of faculty and student commuters arrive by bicycle. And almost a quarter of student commuters and 6 percent of staff get to campus by walking.
    Transport U: CU-Boulder Catches the Bus to Savings | Streetsblog Capitol Hill

    These non-automotive commute rates didn’t happen by accident. Beginning in 1990, CU-Boulder embraced transportation demand management, setting up a university think tank to come up with new programs to reduce driving. The school’s first action, in 1991, was to negotiate a discount student bus pass with the local transit system. Within three years, the program tripled ridership by students to 900,000 trips per year. By 2001, ridership had ballooned to 1.85 million annual trips. A study found that 65 percent of those trips would have otherwise been made by car

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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    Yes, just change the culture. I'm surprised no one has tried this.

    Again, the causes are:
    1. Too many people.
    2. Too many cars.
    3. Freeway infrastructure already in place.

    Simply make it more expensive to drive. CA should increase the gas tax.
    Yes, poor people might get hurt. And no one wants that. So heartless, but the problem needs a solution. Simply spending money on mass transit won't change anything for a good 30 years after they're finished.

    I suggested either here or on the past thread to convert the whole "free"way system to "pay"way. With new technology, it should be a lot simpler than creating tollbooths.

    Oh, and since they're wasting time on The Sepulveda Pass (The 405), they might as well make it easier to eventually put a rail/monorail/whatev's in the center. My new idea is that a half-mile or so from the top, it goes into a tunnel, so there's no issue with the bridges up there. Purple Line should go that way instead of to the sea, if the goal is less traffic/smog/etc. Or, heck, start digging from Wilshire Blvd to Ventura Blvd. What's one mile versus five, besides probably 4.5 times as expensive?
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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    Whether the Sepulveda Pass project becomes A) A dedicated bus lane B) A light rail line down the median or C) A light rail tunnel under the mountains... Is anyone's guess.

    While I think your idea of making the Purple Line turn north at the VA has merit, I doubt that will happen, the boat has sailed on the Purple Line being the "subway to the sea". And despite the Expo line also going to Santa Monica, I think it's more likely that the Purple Line will just end at the VA then it will be extended north or west.

    The reason for supporting light rail through Sepulveda Pass is that Van Nuys Boulevard may have a light rail line coming down to Ventura Blvd. from Sylmar. I would keep going to Wilshire Blvd and maybe eventually link this line with the Crenshaw. Then you'd have one train from Sylmar to LAX.

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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    Good idea.
    If it won't cost hundreds of billions of dollars, then I'm sold.
    Sadly, it will.
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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    Well you already have two or three projects lined up: VAN NUYS CORRIDOR, SEPULVEDA PASS CORRIDOR and the CRENSHAW CORRIDOR.

    I'm adding what... a leg from Van Nuys/Ventura to Sepulveda/Ventura + Westwood/Sepulveda to Expo/Sepulveda. And an overall goal for mobility on the west side, I'm throwing that in, too.

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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    Quote Originally Posted by sediment View Post
    Yes, just change the culture. I'm surprised no one has tried this.

    Again, the causes are:
    1. Too many people.
    2. Too many cars.
    3. Freeway infrastructure already in place.

    Simply make it more expensive to drive. CA should increase the gas tax.
    Yes, poor people might get hurt. And no one wants that. So heartless, but the problem needs a solution. Simply spending money on mass transit won't change anything for a good 30 years after they're finished.
    I think what is easiest is give people a better alternative, not make what they have worse. That really changes culture.

    It's obvious we won't get a bus or train the stops at our driveway and stops at our office door. But we can get those things that take us quickly through areas of gridlock and for cheaper than gas.

    What if they take say a 6 lane freeway that now has 1 HOV lane. They take the inner lane 1 and put a train in it. The next inner lanes 2,3 for buses. Lane 4 for HOV, leaving only 5 and 6 for regular cars. Now it's made driving aweful and mass transit better.

    We didn't it hard to use wagons, we made one that doesn't poop on the road. We didn't make phones more expensive, we just detached them from the wall.
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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    Quote Originally Posted by swampymarsh View Post
    LA in particular has freeways running parallel to each other, and still doesn't have a large enough road system. It needs alternatives to cars desperately, to take the burden off the roads. It needs a way to reset the culture that cars aren't a nessecity.
    This. Yes.
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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    Quote Originally Posted by swampymarsh View Post

    What if they take say a 6 lane freeway that now has 1 HOV lane. They take the inner lane 1 and put a train in it. The next inner lanes 2,3 for buses. Lane 4 for HOV, leaving only 5 and 6 for regular cars. Now it's made driving aweful and mass transit better.
    Radical idea. Imagine if the remaining two lanes were FasTrak lanes, and you had to have a transponder and pay a toll to drive solo. We'd sure have a mass transit system. But how do you get on and off these buses and trains in the center of the freeway?

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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    GETTING PEOPLE OUT OF THEIR CARS:

    Just after a meeting with Metro officials, Howard Katz, a vice president for Casden Properties, sits in Grand Park downtown explaining why people shouldn't be fiercely fighting a massive apartment building and Target shopping center he wants to build at Pico and Sepulveda boulevards.
    "Casden West L.A." would be a 17-story monument to high-density, "transit-oriented living," rising from the rubble of a concrete plant northeast of the 405 and 10 freeway interchange, replete with a "transit concierge" help desk to aid residents and travelers in navigating nearby Metro Expo Line and bus stops.


    The 638 households containing some 1,800 renters are to be a new breed of Westsider. They will pay extra to be awarded a spot in the 2,000-space garage, and if they don't pony up to billionaire developer Alan Casden, they'll have to pay a garage fee or scour the surrounding streets for parking.
    Some residents will get free Metro passes to nudge them to use buses or light rail. But the project's many critics say it's just too big and would turn Sepulveda Boulevard — used by thousands as an alternative to the 405 — into a transit-oriented tragedy.
    Planning Commission president Bill Roschen, appointed by Villaraigosa, is an avidly pro-density architect who lives in leafy Mount Washington, far from density or transit. Roschen designed Millennium Hollywood, the controversial proposed twin skyscrapers approved by the Planning Commission, which, if built, would dwarf the iconic Capitol Records building and open the way to a radical remake of the Hollywood skyline.


    Critics say Roschen presided over a rush-job approval of Casden West L.A.
    Will the Casden Development Be L.A.'s Bermuda Triangle of Traffic? - Page 1 - News - Los Angeles - LA Weekly

    Beth Steckler, deputy director of public transportation advocacy group Move L.A., thinks the region is past the kicking-and-screaming point, noting that voters countywide overwhelmingly approved Measure R in 2008, raising the sales tax by half a cent to funnel $40 billion into mass transit and freeway improvements.


    "Are we late to the game? Yeah, but we're making great progress," Steckler says. "I think we're really at a turning point. I think a lot of people are feeling like we've reached the limits of a suburban, car-oriented model. ... There's a lot of people pushing us toward transit."
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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    Quote Originally Posted by sediment View Post
    So, why don't airports charge more to take off and land (or simply raise the gate fees), so they can pay ATC's?
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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    How about closing the airport one or two days a week?
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