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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    It doesn't count the Disneyland Railroad? Larger than some of those, carries more passsengers than those.
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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    Consider: Angels Flight: "the world's shortest railway" at 282 feet
    The Grove trolley: 1,189 feet long
    The Americana at Brand trolley: 1,755 feet long
    The Getty Center tram: 3,720 feet long
    The Griffith Park and Southern Railroad: 4,387 feet long
    The Travel Town Railroad (also in Griffith): 2,169 feet long
    The LA Live Steamers Museum (another in Griffith Park): One and a half miles
    The San Pedro Waterfront Red Car: Also one and a half miles


    Then there are all the little Disney trains, plus what seems to be a regional fondness for private funiculars (like the one at John Lautner's Chemosphere in the Hollywood Hills). So, thank Grove/Americana developer Rick Caruso for helping LA to have a (kind of lame but still fun) rail win, we guess? Now, let's talk Dodger Stadium...
    Is Los Angeles the Tiny Railway Capital of the World? - Transportation - Curbed LA

    "All those Disney trains": Are they including the monorail? Big Thunder? What other Disney train is there in Southern California?

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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    HIGH SPEED RAIL NEWS:

    Rail authority defends bullet train bidding criteria

    Rail authority defends bullet train bidding criteria - latimes.com

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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    AMTRAK / RAILROAD NEWS:

    Amtrak Subsidy Gone, States Must Pay the Freight to Keep Rail Routes

    Pennsylvania and Virginia are among the states that have already agreed to pay for service, citing the need to ease road congestion, spur economic development and remain connected to the Northeast line. But other states, like Indiana, are still debating what to do. In most cases, the routes run at a loss, say state officials, who view them more as an infrastructure investment like a highway.

    The cost-sharing arrangement between Amtrak and the states, mandated by a 2008 law, is designed to reduce federal support for Amtrak, which has received nearly $40 billion in taxpayer subsidies since its founding in 1971, and has never made a profit. Last year, the railroad got about $1.4 billion in federal money for its operations, rail maintenance and equipment purchases.


    Last year, Amtrak — which says ticket prices and fees cover about 88 percent of its operating costs — lost more than $450 million, mostly a result of constant maintenance of tracks and bridges that are decades old. Its long-distance routes also contribute to the losses, but they are not included in the cost-sharing program because they cross so many states.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/03/us....html?src=recg

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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    ANAHEIM STREETCAR NEWS:

    Disneyland Driving Up Costs of Anaheim Streetcar Project

    It's becoming increasingly clear that a significant reason for the high cost estimate, nearly $100 million per mile, -- is the demands placed upon it by Disneyland and the rest of the city's resort district.

    Consider, for example, that the estimated cost for a proposed streetcar in Santa Ana is $110 million less than Anaheim's, despite Santa Ana's project having a planned route nearly a mile longer. Officials in both Anaheim and Santa Ana said they can't provide more details of the costs until after more detailed engineering.
    While Santa Ana would be purchasing little, if any, right of way, Anaheim would be spending millions of dollars on right of way, some of which will be expensive because it is in the resort area.

    Anaheim's project will also have “high station costs,” including “a new transit center,” according to OCTA documents.
    http://www.voiceofoc.org/oc_north/ar...9bb2963f4.html

    Streetcars are usually powered by what many consider unsightly overhead wires. Out of concern for the look of the resort, the city is proposing a hybrid system in which there are overhead wires in some parts of the route, but not around the resort, city officials said.

    To allow for the hybrid system, Anaheim is projecting a 15-percent premium in its vehicle cost estimates, according to Anaheim Public Works Director Natalie Meeks.

    Then there's the ground infrastructure. According to Anaheim officials, concrete is to be poured along the Anaheim streetcar track to support the high traffic loads attributed to the demands of the resort district. The Santa Ana streetcar would use asphalt, a cheaper alternative that Anaheim can't use because of the resort's traffic loads, Meeks said.

    And although Santa Ana's streetcar system is longer, Anaheim's system would have 10 fixed-track buses, three more vehicles than Santa Ana's streetcar. The additional vehicles are necessary because Anaheim's system will accommodate not only local travelers but tourists as well.
    There is no doubt that Disneyland would benefit greatly from a streetcar system. Disney-backed Anaheim Councilwoman Kris Murray acknowledged as much at an OCTA board workshop in March. Murray said during the meeting that the streetcar would be essential in taking cars off the road, thus giving Disney the ability to expand the resort and open a third gate.

    Meanwhile, community activists and Latino residents argue that the project should not be based on simply what is best for Disney's bottom line. Too often, they say, city resources go back to the resort district and wealthy neighborhoods of the city while working-class neighborhoods remain underserved.

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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    LIGHT RAIL FROM LA UNION STATION TO SANTA ANA NEWS:
    Tuesday, May 22, 2012
    Did you know there is a plan to develop the West Santa Ana Branch of the old Pacific Electric corridor into a public transit line with a projected ridership of 80,000 passengers a day?
    Rail From Union Station to Santa Ana


    The Executive Summary lays out a pretty large variety of options--everything from a no-build alternative to streetcars, light rail, and Maglev train (sorry, no gondolas).
    [It] makes a case that the PEROW has the elements necessary for a rail line: the projected ridership of the line exceeds the capacity for a Bus Rapid Transit System by two or two and a half times, with the light rail alternative achieving the highest ridership. The projected ridership of the light rail line would be more than 80,000--that's more than the 64,000 daily riders expected to use the Expo Line when it reaches Santa Monica.
    Maps and more information here: First Plans Revealed For Rail From Union Station to Santa Ana - Transportation - Curbed LA
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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    ANAHEIM STREETCAR NEWS:

    Why is the Disney Streetcar So Pricey? Mickey Demands It


    The Disney link-up, though, will have exclusive right-of-way--not mixing with vehicular traffic--for much of the route, adding to the pricetag. Oh, and high station costs are also contributing to price.

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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    Quote Originally Posted by CaliforniaAdventurer View Post
    LIGHT RAIL FROM LA UNION STATION TO SANTA ANA NEWS:
    Tuesday, May 22, 2012

    Rail From Union Station to Santa Ana






    Maps and more information here: First Plans Revealed For Rail From Union Station to Santa Ana - Transportation - Curbed LA
    I like the Harbor/1st alternative. Then it can be extended up to ARTIC using the Metrolink right of way.
    Or, Some ART bus line could be created or extended to the Beach/Katella station.

    And just make the first phase from Green Line to Santa Ana. The second phase all the way to Union Station can wait.
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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    Quote Originally Posted by sediment View Post
    I like the Harbor/1st alternative. Then it can be extended up to ARTIC using the Metrolink right of way.
    Or, Some ART bus line could be created or extended to the Beach/Katella station.
    Honestly between Metrolink and the forthcoming HSR, I think there'll be enough connections between Union Station and the OC. I don't think I'd want to take this light rail line to Disneyland (through the hood).

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    Well, it should at least get to the SARTIC. Mass transit shouldn't be built only with "Point A to Point B" in mind. One or more of the points along the way needs to be connected to other mass transit.
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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    Light rail from Union Station to Knotts/DLR area would be amazing!

    Hope it happens.

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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    Welcome to the MASS TRANSIT thread, Ryan. Click around, there is a lot of info that you might find interesting.

    Meanwhile, big news for METRO:

    Metro to receive more than $390 million to improve public transit and air quality


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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    CRENSHAW LIGHT RAIL TO LAX NEWS:

    Metro Windfall Won't Help Crenshaw Line's Leimert Park Stop


    The same day that Metro delayed making a decision on whether the Crenshaw Line would include a Leimert Park Village station, it got news that it received $390 million from the state to improve public transit and air quality. The majority of that money will go to the Regional Connector tunnel in DTLA that'll connect three light rail lines, but $61 million was earmarked for the Crenshaw Line (the other funds will go toward buying light rail train cars and repairing buses). So, how about using that chunk to help build the underground Leimert Park station, which should cost about $131 million? Uh, no. "[T]hese state monies were already committed for the original life of project budget," Metro's Jose Ubaldo tells Curbed.

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