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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    HIGH SPEED RAIL NEWS:

    Has high-speed rail been derailed? (Governing)

    A good, balanced article on federal funding of President Obama’s initiative to build high-speed rail lines around the U.S. As the article notes, the $42 billion needed from the feds to build a San Francisco-to-Los Angeles line seems unlikely to come from the current Congress given recent budget cuts. But proponents point to smaller projects around the country that are speeding up existing Amtrak lines and say high-speed rail is much like the interstate highway system — it will be done in increments.
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    Well yes and no.

    High Speed is not capable by Amtrak. Amtrak is doing things to allow their trains to simply speed up. Acela on the East Coast is more like higher speed regular trains. High Speed that we are aiming to get from LA to SF if a completely different level of trains.

    Building a line from LA to SF is an increment itself. Then we build a Seattle to Vancouver segment going north. Then one going south to Portland. Then one going north or south connecting Portland and SF.

    With Amtrak what they are really doing is working the kink out of there routes, allowing the same trains to get closer to their max speeds.
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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    Quote Originally Posted by swampymarsh View Post
    Well yes and no.

    High Speed is not capable by Amtrak. Amtrak is doing things to allow their trains to simply speed up. Acela on the East Coast is more like higher speed regular trains. High Speed that we are aiming to get from LA to SF if a completely different level of trains.

    Building a line from LA to SF is an increment itself. Then we build a Seattle to Vancouver segment going north. Then one going south to Portland. Then one going north or south connecting Portland and SF.

    With Amtrak what they are really doing is working the kink out of there routes, allowing the same trains to get closer to their max speeds.
    That would be awesome, although the East Coast's density would make a Boston to Miami line a good choice. Not for taking the whole route, but for sections.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaliforniaAdventurer View Post
    That would be awesome, although the East Coast's density would make a Boston to Miami line a good choice. Not for taking the whole route, but for sections.
    It surely would. A problem is they have Acela and in a stop gap way want to extend it south or build from the bottom up instead of true high speed. The future may have much better trains on the West Coast and still be a generation behind on the East Coast which is currently well ahead.

    I have a big fear that short time travel will be drawn out by stopping too often. This is horrible in California where there are basically three metropolises, SF, LA and SD, but people want stations after station in between. In the East the density is a lot higher but even the big urban areas will add so many stops that it could slow down trips. Boston to Miami could move quick or have 20 stops to make. Average speed really drops when it includes a lot of time spent at 0mph.
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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    This is why they really need to think it out and build /all/ the stations as sidings, with the mainline going past. That way they can have Local trains that serve all the little communities, and Expresses making the best time end-to-end.

    A true Express train could make it all the way in under 4 hours even in a 'Blended' system that's partly 75 to 90 MPH shared Freight and Passenger rails and partly 150 - 200 MPH dedicated High Speed rails, it's only 300-odd miles - if they are truly Nonstop and have track priority over the Locals and Freights the entire way. Right now, the Coast Starlight is taking 11.5 hours to work it's way up the coast route from LAUS to Oakland, stopping at every station.

    But that's going to take double-tracking the entire route at every possible stretch right at the get-go, and a mess of turnouts and sidings for the freights and locals to get the heck outta the way - effectively triple or quad-tracked. And digging parallel tunnels and widening bridges and overpasses to double-track them, too.

    Once they get that part working, then they can go for electrification end-to-end and splitting the Passenger and Freight onto two separate sets of tracks - With interconnections for trouble and construction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by swampymarsh View Post
    Boston to Miami could move quick or have 20 stops to make. Average speed really drops when it includes a lot of time spent at 0mph.
    So make the system more like Japan with 100% EMU instead of the traditional loco pulling rolling stock. The current Shinkansen schedule between Tokyo and Osaka has: Nozomi 1 (The "express" Super Express) taking 2:27 with 4 stops, Hikari 501 (the "rapid" Super Express) taking 3:04 with 8 stops and Kodama 633 (the "local" Super Express) taking 3:54 with 15 stops. And I'd say I remember maybe 15-20 of those extra mins on the Hikari being directly attributed to the longer dwell times in some stations to let a Nozomi (or 2!) pass on the main line.

    So yes, less stops can mean faster service. Make it like Japan and it won't be affected as much. The trains can really accelerate and decelerate when the entire consist is powered.

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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    HIGH SPEED RAIL NEWS:

    Santa Clarita-area agents were told they must inform prospective buyers about the California high-speed rail project if the house they're selling is along the planned route--though it could be decades before the train is operating in the area--the Santa Clarita Valley Signal reports. The train could bring down values, since Santa Clarita will host tracks but won't have a station itself (the nearest will be in Sylmar). One councilmember says that "houses that are in the path are kind of being held hostage ... If they want to sell their home this is hanging over them." The exact route through Santa Clarita hasn't been hammered out, but one potential option would affect 23 houses, a church, and two schools; another route would closely follow Metrolink tracks and have fewer impacts. Either way, some locals want the train put underground in the city, even though a study during the environmental review process found no rationale for that.
    Bullet Train Could be a Problem For Santa Clarita Home Sales - High-Speed Rail - Curbed LA

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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    GOLD LINE FOOTHILL EXTENSION NEWS:

    Montclair mad at San Bernardino for not pushing for Gold Line extension

    The extension of the light rail line from the Los Angeles County line to Montclair needs $55 million in funding but without the support from San Bernardino County's transportation agency it may be difficult to get those necessary funds, [Montclair Councilman Bill] Ruh said.

    Montclair criticizes SanBag for not supporting Gold Line extension - DailyBulletin.com

    When completed, the Gold Line would run from Los Angeles to Montclair. Right now, it ends in east Pasadena with the next construction phase under way to Azusa. The next portion would take the route to Claremont and Montclair, if approved.

    City officials believe the funding for the Montclair extension could come from Measure I, a San Bernardino County sales tax measure for transportation improvement projects.

    Montclair criticizes SanBag for not supporting Gold Line extension - DailyBulletin.com

    As for using Measure I funds for the Gold Line as opposed to highway projects, Ray Wolfe, [executive director of San Bernardino County's transportation agency,] said it simply can't be done. When the measure was taken to the voters it specifically outlined highway improvements projects, including creating carpool lanes on the 10 Freeway from Ontario to Redlands. It also set aside 8 percent for rail projects, he said.

    Currently, there are discussions about adding express lanes rather than carpool lanes but it has not been decided, Wolfe said.

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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

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    Wow, 23 houses? Out of, 30,000 in Santa Clarita? Surely this is a reason to stop all planning.
    HSR commission should buy the freaking houses. Story over.
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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    No, haha. I think the story is about the peril of selling one of these homes without disclosing that a bullet train is planned for the land.

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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    Amtrak showed off the new locomotive, built by Siemens, at a plant in Sacramento, Calif.
    Like the current fleet, the new Seimens ACS-64 locomotives are electric, but are capable of returning the power they consume back to the grid. Amtrak says in a press release that the engines' regenerative brakes are capable of pumping up to five megawatts of power back into the catenary wires that supply its trains. In total, Amtrak estimates this upgrade could save $300 million in electric costs over 20 years.
    Photos: Amtrak's New Northeast Regional Locomotives Scheduled to Hit Rails This Fall: DCist

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    Quote Originally Posted by Autopia View Post
    So make the system more like Japan with 100% EMU instead of the traditional loco pulling rolling stock. The current Shinkansen schedule between Tokyo and Osaka has: Nozomi 1 (The "express" Super Express) taking 2:27 with 4 stops, Hikari 501 (the "rapid" Super Express) taking 3:04 with 8 stops and Kodama 633 (the "local" Super Express) taking 3:54 with 15 stops. And I'd say I remember maybe 15-20 of those extra mins on the Hikari being directly attributed to the longer dwell times in some stations to let a Nozomi (or 2!) pass on the main line.

    So yes, less stops can mean faster service. Make it like Japan and it won't be affected as much. The trains can really accelerate and decelerate when the entire consist is powered.
    There is a big cultural difference that will make it slower in the US. If you get to Japan, hurry onto the mass transit, if you don't you will have 10 people pushing you on to the vehicle. In the US people don't touch each other so if you are going slow you hold up the people behind you. This is a reason why loading is and will be slower here.

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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    This is why I'm not really a supporter of BRT (Bus Rapid Transit) on dedicated busways. If you have room for a busway, you probably have room for light rail, which means you can move a lot more people, faster, with less drivers. They have to hire more bus drivers to move the same amount of people, the lanes have already had to be repaved since they opened. And now it's maxed out in terms of capacity, they are running as many buses as they can and they can't keep up:

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    Re: Mass Transit 2 the Disneyland Resort

    Darn! It's TOO popular!

    And now, to convert it to light rails would likely mean no transportation for 30000 riders per day for three years.
    I guess they could build around the busway, very slowly. I recommend elevating at intersections.
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