9/23: The Columbia Story, Pt. I

Al Lutz · 09-23-2008, 05:24 AM

Steve begins a series on the history of Disneyland's Sailing Ship, Part One. Discuss it here...

DIRECT ARTICLE LINK: MiceAge.com - A different look at Disney...

flynnibus · 09-23-2008, 06:46 AM

thanks for the research steve.. an interesting read

BassBone · 09-23-2008, 08:47 AM

You mean it's not a pirate ship? *gasp*

danyoung · 09-23-2008, 08:49 AM

Some very interesting history. Looking forward to reading more about our Columbia!

Steve DeGaetano · 09-23-2008, 08:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BassBone

You mean it's not a pirate ship? *gasp*

Don't tell Hook.

KENfromOC · 09-23-2008, 09:01 AM

Great article! I can't wait for part 2. I love American history, specially as it relates to Disney!

SeaWolf38 · 09-23-2008, 10:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KENfromOC

Great article! I can't wait for part 2. I love American history, specially as it relates to Disney!

I'm with you. American history and Disneyland?? How much better could it get?? Great article so far, Steve, and I'm waiting w/ anticipation for the next part. :oD

BassBone · 09-23-2008, 11:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve DeGaetano

Don't tell Hook.

The way I see it, the Columbia like the rest of the characters in Fantasmic! is wearing a costume. She's dressed up as the Jolly Roger, but after the show she takes off her costume and her makeup and goes home as the Columbia. She's just an actress in the show.

Steve DeGaetano · 09-23-2008, 11:58 AM

Unfortunately, much of the "costume" is permanent, in the form of show rigging and the elimination of details (such as sails). I prefer to have the merchant vessel in her original state (in most cases, slow merchant vessels made poor pirate ships anyway).

flynnibus · 09-23-2008, 12:07 PM

Well - the trade off is valuable tho in the grand scheme. Just look at Fantasmic in DHS.. without the Columbia an entire sequence is replaced by a pathetic Poca/John Smith sequence which dogs the show compared to the DL version.

At least the losses in detail got a pretty good return instead of just being lost for costs, etc.

Steve DeGaetano · 09-23-2008, 12:21 PM

Well...my view of Fantasmic is just to the right of Swab's view, if you get my drift.

flynnibus · 09-23-2008, 12:38 PM

If it the tradeoff was Tarzan's Treehouse.. sure but one can't deny the pull of Fantasmic. That's why I say 'in the grander scheme' - somethings are always going to fall prey to the mothership's needs. The trade-off is symbiotic at least... Columbia does get a lot of attention because of her Fantasmic role too. She's unlikely to be shuttered like a keel boat for little reason

devans · 09-23-2008, 02:36 PM

Great article Steve. I definitely have a greater appreciation of this ride now. Looking forward to part 2!

Steve DeGaetano · 09-23-2008, 04:26 PM

Thanks, Devans! Always gald to see a new member, and always glad to reveal some of the layers of history and detail that make Disneyland special.

evmo · 09-23-2008, 05:22 PM

So I'm sure this will be covered in part II, but I'm wondering what the dimensions of the Disney ship are. I always thought the original would be bigger but at least from what I'm seeing measuring from google earth it seems the replica is quite a bit larger.

Stern to bow is coming out at 100 feet exactly and about 27 feet abeam.

09-23-2008, 05:24 AM	#1
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09-23-2008, 06:46 AM	#2
flynnibus Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 9,210	Re: 9/23: The Columbia Story, Pt. I thanks for the research steve.. an interesting read __________________ Check out my blog - Coreplex: Rambling from inside the Grid Am I evil? yes, I am Am I evil? I am man, yes, I am

09-23-2008, 08:47 AM	#3
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09-23-2008, 08:49 AM	#4
danyoung Video Engineering God Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Dallas Posts: 2,362	Re: 9/23: The Columbia Story, Pt. I Some very interesting history. Looking forward to reading more about our Columbia!

09-23-2008, 09:01 AM	#6
KENfromOC Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Rancho Santa Margarita Posts: 41	Re: 9/23: The Columbia Story, Pt. I Great article! I can't wait for part 2. I love American history, specially as it relates to Disney!

09-23-2008, 11:58 AM	#9
Steve DeGaetano Member MiceAge Columnist Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 3,950	Re: 9/23: The Columbia Story, Pt. I Unfortunately, much of the "costume" is permanent, in the form of show rigging and the elimination of details (such as sails). I prefer to have the merchant vessel in her original state (in most cases, slow merchant vessels made poor pirate ships anyway). __________________ Steve My new book, From Plantation to Theme Park: The Story of Disneyland Railroad Locomotive No. 5, the Ward Kimball is now available! You can read more about the book and place your order here: www.steampassages.com

09-23-2008, 12:07 PM	#10
flynnibus Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 9,210	Re: 9/23: The Columbia Story, Pt. I Well - the trade off is valuable tho in the grand scheme. Just look at Fantasmic in DHS.. without the Columbia an entire sequence is replaced by a pathetic Poca/John Smith sequence which dogs the show compared to the DL version. At least the losses in detail got a pretty good return instead of just being lost for costs, etc. __________________ Check out my blog - Coreplex: Rambling from inside the Grid Am I evil? yes, I am Am I evil? I am man, yes, I am

09-23-2008, 12:21 PM	#11
Steve DeGaetano Member MiceAge Columnist Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 3,950	Re: 9/23: The Columbia Story, Pt. I Well...my view of Fantasmic is just to the right of Swab's view, if you get my drift. __________________ Steve My new book, From Plantation to Theme Park: The Story of Disneyland Railroad Locomotive No. 5, the Ward Kimball is now available! You can read more about the book and place your order here: www.steampassages.com

09-23-2008, 12:38 PM	#12
flynnibus Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 9,210	Re: 9/23: The Columbia Story, Pt. I If it the tradeoff was Tarzan's Treehouse.. sure but one can't deny the pull of Fantasmic. That's why I say 'in the grander scheme' - somethings are always going to fall prey to the mothership's needs. The trade-off is symbiotic at least... Columbia does get a lot of attention because of her Fantasmic role too. She's unlikely to be shuttered like a keel boat for little reason __________________ Check out my blog - Coreplex: Rambling from inside the Grid Am I evil? yes, I am Am I evil? I am man, yes, I am

09-23-2008, 02:36 PM	#13
devans New Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Redwood City, CA Posts: 3	Re: 9/23: The Columbia Story, Pt. I Great article Steve. I definitely have a greater appreciation of this ride now. Looking forward to part 2!

09-23-2008, 04:26 PM	#14
Steve DeGaetano Member MiceAge Columnist Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 3,950	Re: 9/23: The Columbia Story, Pt. I Thanks, Devans! Always gald to see a new member, and always glad to reveal some of the layers of history and detail that make Disneyland special. __________________ Steve My new book, From Plantation to Theme Park: The Story of Disneyland Railroad Locomotive No. 5, the Ward Kimball is now available! You can read more about the book and place your order here: www.steampassages.com

09-23-2008, 05:22 PM	#15
evmo Kawasaki Kreep Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 191	Re: 9/23: The Columbia Story, Pt. I So I'm sure this will be covered in part II, but I'm wondering what the dimensions of the Disney ship are. I always thought the original would be bigger but at least from what I'm seeing measuring from google earth it seems the replica is quite a bit larger. Stern to bow is coming out at 100 feet exactly and about 27 feet abeam.

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