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    Re: Make room Mira Costa and Ambassador...

    Quote Originally Posted by Speedway
    I think what the previous poster was trying to say is that Fantillusion is loosely based on the same storyline as Fantasmic. It is a definite fact that Fantasmic inspired Fantillusion.
    Yeah that is where I read him going too...Fantillusion was to be TDR's Fantasmic! on wheels so to speak, huge, elaborate, magical, just like the show...just a parade.

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    Re: Make room Mira Costa and Ambassador...

    Quote Originally Posted by tloolgb
    Yeah that is where I read him going too...Fantillusion was to be TDR's Fantasmic! on wheels so to speak, huge, elaborate, magical, just like the show...just a parade.
    yeah that's what I was saying.

    although, does TDR really need a fantasmic? it already has all that disney magic up the wazoo..anyway, i'm sure they can find a way to squeeze in a lake and a stadium in TDL for Fantasmic's sake.

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    People will get after me for saying this but I think BraviSEAmo! rivals fantasmic in overall quality. I know there's no Mickey or anything but it's just an elaborate and stunning presentation. It has a simple plot line that I have seen people cry over, really I've been to the resort with a group of old ladies and they live for the show. BraviSEAmo! is probably not appropriate for any other park since it only features an introduction by Mickey and the rest is not Disney character related. It is still amazing and extremely popular. It replaced the very unpopular Disney Sea Symphony, which I really didn't like.

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    Re: Make room Mira Costa and Ambassador...

    Quote Originally Posted by pussnboots
    Oh for pete's sake, when will people understand that the Sequoia Lodge isn't as good as the Wilderness Lodge because it's only a three star place. It's cheaper. It's intentionally not as luxurious.
    Did I say anything about the Sequoia Lodge? No, you began talking about it yourself.

    Sure, the Sequoia Lodge kind of stands out, even compared to *** places at WDW it still isn't as elaborate. But I don't blame that hotel or even various DLP hotels alone. The cheapening out of Disney hotels is happening all around us. The Grand Californian looks like a cheaped-out Wilderness Lodge, too, and it's supposed to be just as good!

    And the Disneyland Hotel is at the very least a very distinct and original experience, even if you don't think it's a thousand times better themed and thought out than the Grand Floridian.
    Actually, I like the DLH. Never been in it, but I like it's look. It's very unique. Never cared much for the GF in pictures, and didn't care much when I finally went myself (although part of that is because the casinos here have altered my view of luxury to a level that is almost impossible for Disney to reach.)

    Quote Originally Posted by stitcharielsinbad
    oh...that's sad they should have a hub-centric castle version of Fantasmic!
    You mean like this? (artist's crummy Photoshop rendition follows):



    Yeah, I'd pretty much sell everything I own and take a trip to TDL immediately if they could figure out how to pull that off. Are you listening, OLC?

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    Re: Make room Mira Costa and Ambassador...

    Meh.
    i still like the DLP Hotel, as I have stayed there twice, when I was a kid.

    I'd have to stay at this one to like it better I'm sure.

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    Re: Make room Mira Costa and Ambassador...

    Quote Originally Posted by MickeyMania

    Actually, I like the DLH. Never been in it, but I like it's look. It's very unique. Never cared much for the GF in pictures, and didn't care much when I finally went myself (although part of that is because the casinos here have altered my view of luxury to a level that is almost impossible for Disney to reach.)
    Ah, you're from Vegas. I suppose it's hard to be impressed with a hotel when you live in the direct vicinity of the Bellagio and the MGM Grand. Because I've always thought quite fondly of the Grand Californian as well... Gosh, could my standards sound any lower? Well let me tell you how much I love a good motel... Nothing quite says "luxury" like waking up to the sound of women begging for mercy to men named Vinnie and politicians going at it with their secretaries, haha.

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    Re: Make room Mira Costa and Ambassador...

    Quote Originally Posted by DisneySeaFan
    People will get after me for saying this but I think BraviSEAmo! rivals fantasmic in overall quality. I know there's no Mickey or anything but it's just an elaborate and stunning presentation. It has a simple plot line that I have seen people cry over, really I've been to the resort with a group of old ladies and they live for the show. BraviSEAmo! is probably not appropriate for any other park since it only features an introduction by Mickey and the rest is not Disney character related. It is still amazing and extremely popular. It replaced the very unpopular Disney Sea Symphony, which I really didn't like.
    I wish more guests shared the same enthusiasm you have for BraviSEAmo! but the fact remains... it is the least popular of the new shows they have added to TDS in the past year or so.. So much so that small changes and music re-editing had to be made to make the show less boring to guests. These changes were made based on feedback from guests surveyed. Now... I feel 'BraviSEAmo!' is a unique presentation with a stunning score and lovely visuals...and certainly one of Disney's most elegant nighttime shows ever done... But that does not hide the fact that it has fallen short of expectations with many guests and Disney fanatics alike.

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    I like the score to BraviSEAmo but aside from the giant flaming monster the show doesn't really have much to it. Here is water. Here is fire. They are happy and coexisting. Supply the psychology and backstory yourself.

    I think there's something to be said for a water effects show without any kind of serious plot but this one is bizarre. They could have skipped all semblence of story and made a special effects show there that people would probably like more, or they could have surrounded the beast animatronic built under the lagoon with a Fantasmic-ish character show.

    It's a pretty show, looks like something I'd see on the Strip actually. I just think expectations are so high in Disney nightime entertainment and BraviSEAmo is basically a "Hey look at this" experience with some pretty music.

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    Re: Make room Mira Costa and Ambassador...

    Quote Originally Posted by MickeyMania
    The Grand Californian looks like a cheaped-out Wilderness Lodge, too, and it's supposed to be just as good!
    No they are different themes. I used to think it was just a lame version too...but the architectural style is very different.
    The WL is inspired by the old lodges of the National Parks. Inside are nice big logs, rockwork, all nature things, with a touch of arts & crafts style in some of the windows and pattern work on the floor. It's goal is to be natural, making you think everything is real handcut forest.
    The Grand Californian is Arts & Crafts all the way. There is no attempt to be a national Park lodge which is why the exterior doesn't look like its stone and wood...it doesn't have to. It's architectural style lies in it's windows, pattern work, and details. It's goal is to be stylish and in touch with nature, but never make you think the nature is real...you always know it is a "building".
    http://www.disneypix.com/Disneyland/...-011702-09.htm
    Even the facade is very based in horizontality, a feature of many Arts & Crafts buildings.

    They are different themes in short.

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    Re: Make room Mira Costa and Ambassador...

    The annoying thing with non-obvious themes like that is that half the people don't get it. Half of Europe thinks the inside of the Newport Bay Club is supposed to look like the interior of the Titanic and that the Santa Fe is set in Mexico. Cheyenne, that they get. Half of America thinks the Grand Californian is supposed to look like a log cabin lodge but failed at that due to budget cuts.

    Apparently no one reads the little blurbs that are on the official websites, haha.

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    Re: Make room Mira Costa and Ambassador...

    /\...but still. Lol.

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    Re: Make room Mira Costa and Ambassador...

    Quote Originally Posted by MickeyMania

    You mean like this? (artist's crummy Photoshop rendition follows):



    Yeah, I'd pretty much sell everything I own and take a trip to TDL immediately if they could figure out how to pull that off. Are you listening, OLC?
    yep, something like that, It would be freakin awesome if they pull it off, just imagine Sorcerer Mickey doing the finale on top of the castles tallest spire. and using the Steamboat parade float for the Steamboat Willie portion. it would be perfectly magical.

    anyway, about BraviSEAmo, I think the main reason that it doesn't get the attention it deserves is because, to the average person, it is essentially boring. Its message is nowhere near as engaging as Fantasmic's or Illuminations'. I mean sure it has a lot of pretty effects, but that's pretty much it. The story of two gods falling in love and making good music togetehr just isn't the most universal and awe inspiring theme that warrants a night show of such caliber. It's lovely, it's elegant, but it doesn't really have a special spark to it the way Fantasmic's multitude of characters does, or how Reflections of Earth moves us with the abbreviated history of mankind, my point is, in essence, BraviSEAmo's concept is not strong enough to warrant such a massive production.

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    Re: Make room Mira Costa and Ambassador...

    Cool Photoshop job, even if TDLFan has declared "no Fantasmic shall rise from thine Castle." Well, who made him TDLBoss? LOL. I like the idea, and I think Japanese people might actually be NOSTALGIC of Mickey and the fireworks being at the Castle and might even embrace it all the more cause they've been prepped for it with the former Mickey In the Sky fireworks and Fantillusion. It takes it to the next level, much as their Electrical Parade did from what I understand.

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    Re: Make room Mira Costa and Ambassador...

    Quote Originally Posted by pussnboots
    The annoying thing with non-obvious themes like that is that half the people don't get it. Half of Europe thinks the inside of the Newport Bay Club is supposed to look like the interior of the Titanic and that the Santa Fe is set in Mexico. Cheyenne, that they get. Half of America thinks the Grand Californian is supposed to look like a log cabin lodge but failed at that due to budget cuts.

    Apparently no one reads the little blurbs that are on the official websites, haha.
    No one bothers to take the tour - there are so many small details that exist in the hotel that nobody would ever pick up by themselves. The buillding has taken inspiration from many buildings of the Arts and Crafts movement as well as it's surroundings (There is a reference to the Sun Wheel in the Pool area). The building isn't a Lodge - It's a house scaled up, hence the huge fireplace and 100kg Chanderliers. I'd say the hotel is as equal, if not superior to the WL.

    The building exterior isn't meant to be a Wilderness Lodge - but something that surrounds it (While still being a building). I'll let you take a stab at guessing what it's met to be - and once you do that you should be able to tell me why the shingles on the northern side of the building are green when the rest of the building is brown.

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    Re: Make room Mira Costa and Ambassador...

    Quote Originally Posted by pussnboots
    Half of America thinks the Grand Californian is supposed to look like a log cabin lodge but failed at that due to budget cuts.
    See, here's the deal:
    If a building looks boxy and cheap, I'm going to call it out as looking boxy and cheap. I don't care if they've found a theme that calls for a cheap, boxy-looking building.

    The simple fact of the matter is they managed to accomplish a "look" that is nowhere near as impressive as a WDW top-tier like the Contemporary or GF. Even moderates like Coronado or Port Orleans look like they had more effort putting into dressing up their outsides and making them look inviting than the GCH. While we do not have the space to put a giant monster hotel like the Contemporary in, let alone next to the Esplenade, but we should get a similarly-sized SOMETHING that catches the eye.

    Our other two Disney hotels are particularly unattractive, compared to any at WDW, TDL, DLP, or HKDL. Give us a break for once on the hotel front.

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