Trip Report: The Walt Disney Family Museum on 9/20/09
We were lucky enough to be invited to the sneak preview of the Walt Disney Family Museum in San Francisco yesterday. It was only the second day of previews, and although there are still a couple of minor bugs to work out, I can say with confidence that I believe any Disney fans will react the same way that I did: WOW!
First off, the museum is located in the Presidio of San Francisco, which was until a few decades ago still a working US Army base. You may remember it from the ‘80’s movie The Presidio, but its main claim to fame today is that it’s been the home of LucasFilm for the past couple of years. It’s located at the northernmost tip of the City, just where the Golden Gate Bridge connects it to my home county of Marin.
As noted beforehand in a different discussion, the museum unfortunately has a firm “no photography” policy, so I wasn’t able to take pictures inside. So this Trip Report will be (very) text-heavy, with my notes on exhibits and items I found interesting as I worked my way through the galleries. I had meant to include some photos of the museum’s exterior, but unfortunately I left my memory card reader at home so those will have to wait until tomorrow.
The entrance lobby houses about nine display cases containing various awards Walt received over his long career. Among the standouts is one filled with Oscar awards, including the special Snow White one with the seven mini Oscars. There’s also a display of original furniture from Walt’s apartment above the Main Street Fire Station and photos of it in context. But enough with the introductions, let's go in!
Gallery 1: Beginnings:
Walt and his family’s story is told via photos, mementos (Elias’ violin) and videos incorporating Walt’s own narrative with old photos. Some of young Walt’s early artwork is featured, but the dominant feature of the first room is a replica of the WWI ambulance that he drove in France. The next room explores Walt’s years with Laff-O-Gram in Kansas City.
When you finish in this gallery, you’re faced with the choice of going through a doorway on the right side of the room to walk upstairs, or taking an elevator up on the left. Take the elevator. It’s decorated inside as an old railroad car, and just might be the shortest but most memorable elevator ride you’ll ever take.
Gallery 2: Hollywood.
You’re greeted by a faux Hollywood sign with video displays within the letters. On the opposite wall are several large flat panel screens disguised as old movie posters showing a variety of the Alice comedies. You’ll then move into the next room and learn the story of Walt’s creation (and loss) of Oswald the Lucky Rabbit and the new character he created to replace it. You may have heard of him, he’s a mouse who goes by “Mortimer”.
Scratch that. We then hear Lily describe how she thought “Mickey” sounded friendlier. Highlights here include a pair of pages thought to be the earliest sketches of Mickey Mouse and an original drawing from Plane Crazy. I especially enjoyed a couple of photos of Walt with an actor who was portraying Mickey Mouse in a stage show. The second photo shows the actor in the suit without Mickey’s head! That’s something you’ll never see today! Rounding out this gallery are a huge display of original MM memorabilia, an interactive exhibit where you try to match sound effects to animation, and a wall with 348 replica drawings animating a sequence of Steamboat Willie.
Gallery 3: New Horizons in the 1930’s.
Ah, success. Walt begins the era with Silly Symphonies and continues to innovate. Disney begins publishing comic books and the rest of the Fab Five are introduced. Like several other galleries, there is a “Family” display detailing some of the events in Walt’s personal life. The ones here detail the birth of daughter Diane and later adoption of Sharon.
Gallery 4: The Move to Features
One of the real stars of the entire museum. All aspects of the creation of Snow White are depicted. Among the highlights is an interview with Ward Kimball talking about (and showing) “the soup scene”, cut from the movie with much heartache due to time constraints. (Ward was consoled for its deletion by Walt offering him a chance to animate a character for a new movie – Jiminy Cricket!) I was also interested to see some original documents and notes on the movie’s production, one of which in describing the characters notes one of the dwarfs named “Jumpy”! (He later evolved into Sneezy.) A couple of interactive displays allow you to see how an animated scene is “set” to a type of music, as well as a neat re-creation of a Moviola showing how it animated drawings for the artists.
Gallery 5: “We Were In A New Business”
Snow White's smash success allows Walt to move the studio to Burbank and expand his operations. I enjoyed seeing photos and literature detailing the campus, which is described as providing all types of services and amenities to the staff (including “The Penthouse Club” – membership extended to men only!) I would swear I was reading about Google’s headquarters today. Of particular note was an annual report from 1946 showing an aerial view of the campus with the caption “51 acres of Disneyland.” Hmmm, I like the sound of that!
The rest of the gallery includes Bambi, Pinocchio, and Fantasia. A small seating area is fronted by a large screen showing scenes from the latter movie. Also on display are an original multiplane camera and a notebook kept by a visual effects staff member which has been scanned into a very cool touch-screen exhibit to browse through.
Gallery 6: “The Toughest Period In My Whole Life”
The 40’s brought a lot of pain to Walt and the studios between a major labor strike and the war. Details of his South America trip are explored (and make one eager to see the upcoming documentary “Walt and El Grupo”) as well as its culmination in the production of Saludos Amigos. We then move on to Dumbo, WWII films and literature. Among these look out for an R-rated pinup produced by Disney artists to buoy the spirits of our fighting men!
Gallery 7: Postwar Production
Expansion into live action features. They mention a movie which along with Song of South combined animation with live action: So Dear To My Heart. I’d never heard of that one. There are several neat-looking touch-screen displays allowing you to select a movie, actor, staffer, etc. and see/hear various interviews, scenes and so forth. These particular displays were a little balky when I walked through, and a very apologetic manager was frantically working with a tech support guy over his cell phone (use of which is not allowed within the museum, by the way) to get them back up.
Gallery 8: Walt + The Natural World
This is a small gallery featuring the nature documentaries. It’s squeezed into a corridor, however, and the screens are positioned so that the viewer is forced to face the same direction to view them, and at the same time take in the entire wall of glass that looks outside the museum toward a beautiful view of the Golden Gate Bridge nearby.
So up to this point I’m thinking to myself, "This is a very nice museum. Top quality exhibits, state of the art audio/video displays everywhere, very professional staff. This place is a keeper."
Gallery 9: The 1950’s + the 1960’s: The Big Screen and Beyond
Wow. For many of us, I’d argue that despite our love of the classic films this gallery is the most accessible.
Since the second gallery we’ve been on the second floor of the museum, but we enter this one to find a large open space with a walkway winding its way down to the first floor. Along the way we’ll encounter such things as the original Lily Belle locomotive and Carolwood Pacific Railroad, Walt’s beloved train which ran at the family home. We read about WED Enterprises, the construction and opening of Disneyland. We see an original Circarama camera. We learn about the creation of the various ‘lands within the park, see photos of Walt with various visiting luminaries, see an original Autopia car which Walt presented to a grandson, until we reach ground level to find: Heaven on earth.
The gallery is highlighted (to me, dominated) by a detailed model of Disneyland. Not the Disneyland of yesterday, not the DLR of today, but a representation of the idea of Disneyland, the one from Walt’s own imagination. So here you’ll see Space Mountain coexisting with The House of the Future. You’ll see the Mine Train Through Nature’s Wonderland and Great Moments With Mr. Lincoln with cutaways detailing their interiors. (And if someone can tell me what is the small cabin-like building that is represented off to the right side of It’s A Small World I’ll be eternally grateful!) Dumbo is flying, and the Teacups are spinning; it’s awesome. My words don’t do it justice, but this is the exhibit I’d most have wanted to take a photo of. I could spend a couple hours just looking at it from all angles.
Moving on (reluctantly), you’ll come across a large wall of old TV sets showing a variety of classic 50’s TV shows, from the Mickey Mouse Club to Zorro. You’ll move along to read about the live action comedy era (Love Bug, etc.) and Walt’s involvement with the 1960 Winter Olympic Games at Squaw Valley. We see Sleeping Beauty and Mary Poppins produced. There’s a nice exhibit of Disney at the 1964 World’s Fair, where audio-animatronics were unveiled to the world via It’s A Small World and Mr. Lincoln. (I also saw a quick video of an AA Neanderthal family that I’d never seen before.) We find ourselves kind of sluggishly continuing on, as we know what’s to come. We’re struck by an award Walt receives around this time proclaiming him “Showman of the World.” Indeed.
Gallery 10: December 15, 1966
We read depictions of Walt’s last projects, including CalArts, Walt Disney World, the Mineral King project and various studio productions. We’re told in Diane’s words about Walt’s cancer diagnosis and his final days. We see various news reports and telegrams detailing the loss felt by the entire world.
I have to admit I was surprised at how moved I was by simply reading these last final panels. It’s not like it was a surprise ending, but I found myself blinking away tears (quickly, before the kids see me!) But it’s clear to see, after being enveloped in Walt’s entire life and career, surrounded by his work, and just feeling the Disney love over the previous few hours, it’s still striking how much the life of this one man has affected all of our own.
We exit a final room paneled all in white, surrounded by video of much of what we’ve just experienced. Are we with Walt in Heaven, reviewing his happy life? You’ll have to visit yourself to decide.
And it wouldn’t be Disney without exiting through the gift store! Lots of high-quality merchandise and not a Disney toy to be found! I was very disappointed to not find a postcard of the Disneyland model. Hopefully they’ll be producing those (and images of other exhibits) in the future.
That’s it. No, not really, just for this report! It’s interesting that on the ticket they note most people will spend about 1.5 hours visiting the museum. We spent two and a half, and with two small kids in tow sped through a number of galleries. You could literally spend a month just viewing every video and reading every panel shown in the various exhibits. While it’s not kid-friendly in the sense that there are lots of things for them to touch and feel, there was enough keep my active four year old busy for that time, but it would also be nice to return and experience it more thoroughly and more leisurely. It’s also interesting how they’ve made a conscious decision to differentiate the museum from the parks. You won’t find cast members here, or the familiar name badges, or hidden Mickeys. But you will find a professional and well-trained staff, hours of fascinating exploring, and a lot of love for the man. The Walt Disney Family Museum is a must for every fan.
Thanks for hanging in there through this long report! I promise a couple pictures tomorrow!
Walt Disney Family Museum Preview Trips (Merged)
OK, let me start by saying that I have never done a trip report of any kind before. I can't figure out how to add my photos (maybe I can't since I'm not a Gold member?) Any hints will be kindly received, although I didn't get many pictures at all, not much to share.
Also, I hesitate to say too much about specific exhibits at the museum, because I don't want to spoil anything for people who are looking forward to their own trip there. So in the interest of not pissing people off, I think I'll report in two posts, saving specific observations for my second post so anyone who hates spoilers can avoid that.
All right? Here we go....off to San Francisco!
My mom's BFF from the third grade invited Mom, Dad and I to enjoy her D23 member's tickets with her. We had a 3:00 time slot, which seemed promising, because that way we wouldn't need to rush into the city first thing in the morning.
I've never really visited The Presidio before, it is pretty cool. Next time I go back I would like to spend more of the day seeing more of what it has to offer. Since we wanted to make sure we knew where we were going, check out the store and get something to eat, so we headed straight to number 104 Montgomery Street.
As we headed into the double doors, some very polite cast members/docents (?) inform us that no pictures may be taken once past the doors. They didn't strip us of anything, and there was never another reminder.
So the first thing we did was stop by the cafe to get some lunch. Mistake! The cafe was like a movie theatre snack bar with frou-frou food. And very expensive. The cast members manning it seemed overwhelmed, although gracious. The menu consisted of three kinds of salad, a chicken sandwich and a PBJ sandwich. There were also chips, juices, water bottles, and coffee. We ate around 1:00 and got the last (!) chicken sandwich. Fortunately, everything tasted good, but I would definitely suggest not arriving hungry :blush:
Next stop was the store, which was very cool. It had lots of beautiful and fun stuff, most of it out of my price range. But I did pick up some cute "Ink and Paint Department" art supplies for my budding artists. The Alice section in the store was really cute, there was also a lot of Snow White stuff. Cutest thing I did not buy: IASM cell phone charm doll ($12.50.) Awesomest thing I did not buy: Orginal (limited and numbered) Lilly Belle ticket. Very cool, but pricey ($55.00.) The story is that "they" found a box somewhere just full of these things, and the cast member sharing this info was surprised not to see them behind glass.
On to the tour. Let me tell you, the three hours we had to view the galleries was not nearly enough. I would certainly suggest as early a time slot as you can get! I overheard people talking about getting a note that would readmit them, so they could wander around a bit, pop out to get something to eat and come back in. Didn't try this myself, but might come in handy if one was spending a longer time there.
The walls of the entryway to the museum were lined with glass cases containing Walt's awards and trophies (including the Academy Awards.) Probably the highlight of my day was seeing the big Oscar and his seven little friends. Yes, I am not just a Disney geek, but also a movie geek, so that was heaven for me:thumbup:
I won't go into detail of any of the galleries for those who want to be surprised. But I will say, plan your time well! After we spent an hour and 45 minutes (we were in, I think, the fifth room-- "Studio Beginnings") we were informed that we had an hour and fifteen minutes until closing and we were currently in Gallery 3 out of 10!!! All the cast member/docents were really pleasant and helpful, but when 6:00 rolled around they definitely herded us all out the door.
Altogether, I had a great day. I kind of knew what to expect from the museum, but there were lots of little surprises. I liked the interactive bits and thought it was interesting to see how much fun the people working there were having. More than once I saw a docent reading a display, like he hadn't gotten a chance to see that one yet-- cute. The building itself was amazing and so beautiful. I wish I had been able to take more pictures.
OK, that's it for now. I will be back later with more details on some of my favorite displays and exhibits. Thanks for reading, sorry it's so text-heavy.:shy:
Re: Nancy Carey's Trip to The Walt Disney Family Museum 9-26-09
I was there as well. I had to wait for the chicken wraps before my timed entry, but it was good. I thought the menu would be a bit more extensive though. The museum itself was fantastic! Beautiful place to have it! That will definitely be on my to-do list every time I go to SF! It's so interactive and everything is so well presented! I was very impressed!!
I thought I heard a rumor here we were supposed to get a pin (D23 tickets)...I didn't get one...oh well! It was well worth it!
Wine o'Mickey's trip to the WDF Museum....
What to do.....
I'll ask all of you. I have quite a few pictures of my time at the museum on Saturday 9/25. As I do not want to spoil it for anyone, I may just post them on my Mobile Me account and post the link for those of you who would like to see them. I was slightly sneeky again and took pictures (some good, some not so good) I will edit. I guess if you are interested you can decide whether or not to click on the link.
Let me just say any trip to The City is GREAT! But this one was awesome!!!
We stayed at the Travelodge just located outside The Presidio on Lombard Street, primo location for what we were doing. The people there are friendly, helpful and accommodating. Quick trip (in and out) for us from the LBC to SFO, SFO to the motel ($120) by cab ($45) and nice 20 minute walk from said motel to the WDF Museum for our 11:00am-11:15am tickets (by the way Andrea Wang the Communications Coordinator was a huge help in getting tickets for us, because of the D23 ticketing snafu, PROPS to Andi!).
We skipped lunch and decided to hang with the hunger until after our visit. We were greeted at the door by a museum employee and directed into the museum, and reminded no picture taking ("OKAY sure no problem", my wife knows that response can only mean one thing, gorilla style photography). We had a bit of time to kill and went into the gift shop. INCREDIBLE! Lots of cool things (can you say multiplane camera crane?). Spent a fair amount of time looking, examining and deciding what to get. The minister of finance gave me the okay for an opening day poster, a few magnets, tshirts and I snuck a couple of those sweet Lilly Belle Train Tickets/Presidential Car for myself. I enjoyed talking with the gift shop staff and the manager, listening to their stories regarding opening day jitters, the trials and negotiations required to get merchandise, bags and equipment. The most exiting thing in the world is being involved in something at it's inception, watching it take shape and then finally letting it go. Yeah it's tons of work to start with but it's even more once it's going, all the things that happen that you didn't think of. Anyways, it was great to listen to the staff as they were excited, some of them doe eyed but excited none the less. This was their first full day of operation, we'll see how they feel at the end of the weekend.
Whoa! It's 11:10, let's get in line....(the gift shop staff held our items for us until we returned, no hassle, no questions, nice touch)
Hey there's no line, just walked right up, handed the tickets over and we were in! Just like that...."Aren't you guys busy today?" I asked. "Oh yes it's very busy, there's a lot of people inside." Well, I didn't think so. We never really had to wait to see anything and the line for some things moved along nicely. People were courteous and no one ever gave anyone odd looks if they did take their time. Lots of detail, lots of little things to see, lots of video to watch, lots to listen to, some old some new (to me at least). My favorite part is at the beginning of the museum, a cleaver little video done with Walt's narration, about him and his family (mom and dad, etc). Very cleaver animations and pictures. I really enjoyed it so much I asked at the gift shop if they ever planned on releasing the video to the public. I was told it may be in the future but not sure at this time. It really is cool.
Many more things to say but I'm a little tired so I'll leave it here for now and maybe have a bit more for you manana.
Picture gallery added, please click on link below.
I have not added all the photos I have, it's a tedious task and my attention span is lacking, check back as it should be finished in the next few days 9/28/09.
Re: Nancy Carey's Trip to The Walt Disney Family Museum 9-26-09
To be fair, I have to agree with James90241, the food was tasty. I was just disappointed with the lack of selection. I think it's more like snack food and we were looking for a meal. I never heard the pin rumor, and we did not get anything, so you weren't the only one!
***Warning*** Spoilers to follow-- don't read if you want to be surprised!
Anyway....I really regret that we weren't able to spend more time in Gallery 9, which was mostly devoted to the Park. The "Disneyland of the Imagination" model was so cool, we were literally among the last people to walk away from it, which was very hard to do. We oohed and aahed over Walt's train, too. I have seen so many pictures over the years (and many other Mice Chatters have probably already seen some of these things themselves.) But seeing things like the train and the Oscars "up close and personal" was for me a novel and amazing experience.
Galleries 8 and 9 were by far the most beautiful rooms to walk through. Gallery 8 was so cool, with the glass walls and the gorgeous view of SF. And Gallery 9 must've been built onto the back of the building. It was certainly appropriate to be the Disneyland room. I had the same feelings of being inside yet outside at the same time as I do when in Disneyland. It's impossible to put into words, again, I wish I had been able to take pictures.
I think my favorite display of all, though was in the Mickey Mouse room (Gallery 2; Hollywood.) An entire wall was devoted to Steamboat Willie. There were rows upon rows of drawings (I think it was 250 or so) that made up a minute or so of screen time. The pictures were laid out in a grid and then there was a section here and there where a picture or group of pictures were actually screens and that segment of the cartoon was playing. It was so cool!
The presentation of displays was really varied. A few ideas repeated from room to room, like the telephone ear pieces to hear part of the story, but even those were themed to their individual galleries. There were tons of replicas of telegrams and letters that moved the story along, accompanied very often by audio by Walt, Roy and numerous others. We were cracking up when we heard Walt tell the story of giving Lillian their first dog (in a hat box under the Christmas tree, natch.) There were so many unique displays, it blows my mind to think of the creative forced behind the museum. And all the interactive videos were great. I got to pretend I was on CSI:Miami as I scrolled through video of Fantasia and pushed one thing aside to bring up another item and enlarge it. (Hey, I already admitted to being a geek!) Being able to look up, down and through the multi plane camera was no small treat.
I would highly recommend to anyone to visit this museum. I think you really need at least 5 hours to truly enjoy it, though. I'm already hoping to get back there soon (maybe I can drop my hubby off at the ballpark first?) I didn't pay close attention to age requirements, but I would not suggest taking anyone much younger than 8 or 9 if you plan on spending much time. There were lots of displays, videos, and interactive things to interest kids, but I know mine (ages 3, 6, and 8) wouldn't have lasted much longer than an hour or two. If I take them I think it won't be on a trip when I feel like I need to "see everything."
Quick Trip Report: WDFM on 9/27
I got to attend the D23 member preview yesterday at the Walt Disney Family Museum.
No photos were allowed, but the San Francisco Chronicle has had several articles in recent days, so you should be able to find photos at sfgate.com.
Also, we saw a photographer being escorted through the galleries, and he told my friend he was from the NY Times, so watch out for their article, as well.
The museum is just beautiful, with awesome story-telling, amazing artifacts. My friends and I felt exhausted and overwhelmed before we were even halfway through, so we will all be returning in the future to catch many of the details we know we missed. We skipped over many of the video kiosks, just because they were a bit crowded, and we were tired. I think I could spend several hours just in a couple of the galleries watching and listening to interviews with Walt and his contemporaries.
There were lots of people there (we entered about 2:15 pm), but it didn't seem overcrowded. I saw a small group who seemed to be VIPs--one woman was giving a tour to the others with her, pointing out certain things. I ended up riding the elevator with them (a wonderfully themed elevator), and this woman said Bruce Gordon had generated the idea for the elevator.
All of the staff were friendly and obviously proud. The gift shop is lovely with many unique items.
There was no gift for D23 members (I asked), but I felt like the privilege of visiting the museum was gift enough.
Walt Disney Family Museum 9/27 Trip
Got to go to one of the early admittance dates (4:00) yesterday thanks to Carolwood membership.
Short version: The museum is really nice, and almost overloaded with artifacts, materials, and information from the very start.
The video content alone is almost overwhelming, with each area seeming to have a video "intro" loop of some sort, and several screens, large and small throughout, with montages, interviews you can select, or dedicated films about a certain subject. The museum flows from Walt's family and early years, then up a elevator (which is a very neat trick and design, won't spoil it) to his arrival in Hollywood, short films, Mickey Mouse, Silly Symphonies, Snow White, the Studio, Pinocchio and Fantasia, then one large room with materials and overview of several projects (Alice, Peter Pan, 20,000 Leagues, Mr. Toad, Sleepy Hollow, and much much more). About the time you hit the studio room, followed by Pinocchio and Fantasia, it really does feel like a surfeit of materials and things to see, I really wish I had more time to take it all in.
After the room dedicated to the fifties films and projects, you enter a very clean, white hallway with a curving wall and videos about the nature films/true life adventures, with a gorgeous view of the Golden Gate bridge. After this peaceful respite, it's back into the thick of things, with Walt's backyard railroad setup and the Lilly Belle leading up to Disneyland, and a massive, rather interpretive and creative model of the park. (Haunted Mansion, Inner Space, the Indian village, Mine Train through Nature's Wonderland, and Space Mountain all co-exist, nothing Walt didn't have a hand in is presented, and many rides have a cut-away view of the interior, such as the dinosaurs along the railroad, and Rainbow Caverns for the mine train).
After Disneyland, sections are dedicated to the 64 World's Fair, EPCOT, Disney on television, and then some of Walt's personal belongings finish up before the final section: the months surrounding Walt's death.
There are several long accounts of his projects and activities in the months leading up to the end, and an account of his hospital visits, followed by a gallery of tribute art and news programs announcing the news of his passing. This section is very well handled, but admittedly very somber in tone and seemed to be quite affecting for most visitors we went in with. A final room, very fancy curving video screens and quite a long montage of Walt and his various projects throughout his life finishes up a quite lovely, thorough, and fascinating museum.
There are simply too many artifacts to recall all of them, but some of my favorites:
The signed copy of Don Quixote, addressed to Walt, from Salvador Dali
A press pass and ticket to the premiere of Snow White at the Carthay Circle
Several mechanical birds and hand-carved miniatures from Walt's office, along with his knick-knack box (reading glasses, a pen, various odds and ends)
One underwater camera used to film 20,000 Leagues Under The Sea
Walt's personal handheld movie camera and Kodak still camera, with which he took vacation and personal images
I am sure I am missing many, many items, but I highly recommend you go and discover them for yourself, if you have the opportunity. The museum is truly fantastic.
re: Walt Disney Family Museum Preview Trips (Merged)
Sounds WONDERFUL. I can't wait to visit for myself. I hope to make it up there in October with a side trip to wine country ;)
Re: First Trip Report: WDFM on 9/20/09
OK I give up on trying to attach the photos directly into a post. For a few photos of the exterior of the museum as of 9/20, hit up the link here:
(If anyone wants to give me tips on attaching photos to posts feel free to PM me!)
Re: First Trip Report: WDFM on 9/20/09
No problem. I'll send you a PM right now. And just a tip to anyone else who is wondering. The secret is to click the http://micechat.com/forums/images/ed...nsertimage.gif button in the post window and insert the link to where the photo is located. :)
Originally Posted by M&M Daddy
Re: Walt Disney Family Museum Preview Trips (Merged)
That tip did not work for me.
Does the board not play nice with mobile me (apple)?
Because that's where my pictures are.
Re: Walt Disney Family Museum Preview Trips (Merged)
I'm not familiar with Mobile Me, but if it's anything like PicasaWeb, you can right-click on the full size image itself and select "properties" from the popup window. In the properties window that pops up you'll see "location" or something of the like, with the actual URL of the image. That is the URL you want to link to in the "insert image" button. (Totally different from the URL listed when you try to "link" to the image within PicasaWeb itself - I'm sure it's some HTML thing your web developer friends can explain.)
Originally Posted by Wine O Mickey
Thanks again to Dusty - took some trial and error but I got it!