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    Cinderella Restored Wrong

    Hello everyone. I should have made this thread a long time ago so the new Cinderella Diamond Edition release could fix these problems or actually restore the entire film over again the right way, but here I have proof that for the 2005 Platinum Edition release of Cinderella, they restored the film wrong, and even may have re-painted or changed things in it on purpose.

    IN ALL OF THESE EXAMPLES, THE FIRST PICTURE IS FROM BEFORE THE 2005 RESTORATION, THE SECOND PICTURE IS FROM THE 2005 RESTORATION. LIKE BEFORE AND AFTER.

    The first thing is an example of where the artists, in trying to make everything look like clean and perfect solid color, (and perhaps also to match the rest of the times that color was in the film, depending on the lighting) have accidentally colored a part wrong. It is the first proof that Disney doesn't merely/actually restore their animated films, they also paint/re-color parts of them in trying to make them look like they're perfectly, pristinely restored.

    So here we have Cinderella before the 2005 restoration, and then Cinderella from the 2005 restoration. In these images, look at Cinderella's brown top and skirt:
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    http://i17.photobucket.com/alb...irs2.jpg[/img]

    Did you notice that in the 2005 restoration they accidentally made Cinderella's skirt the same color as her top? It's the first evidence they don't restore things in a way that naturally returns things back to their original form. They do other things which just try to make it look like the original, except even snazzier for a new modern generation.

    The next one is of the stepmother, Lady Tremaine. In these pictures, take a look at Lady Tremaine's shawl and the light parts of her hair:

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    Notice that in the 2005 restoration the blue-purple color of her shawl runs into her hair? It looks to me like the lighter parts of the stepmother's hair were originally the same grayish silver color of her shawl, or very close to it. So it looks like evidence that they are changing the colors of the film from not what they are really supposed to be, because maybe her shawl and hair were both supposed to be the same gray color but the heads at Disney wanted them to make the shawl bluer, much like they made Cinderella's silver dress bluer, hm, right?

    Speaking of, here's an example of this re-coloring that seems to prove more than ever that they paint over these films instead of just actually restore them. In the first image, before the 2005 restoration, Cinderella is in a very silver gown with a bustle (the puffy material at her hips) that is a lighter silver while her sleeves and gloves are more white. In the second image, from the 2005 restoration, not only is her dress bluer (which I've kept wondering if it's to match the Disney Princess marketed blue dress that they think looks better...), but it's quite obvious they didn't restore it properly, but rather, painted over it, because the bustle is now the same shade and color as her sleeves and gloves. In fact, when taking the image into MS Paint, for each bustle I just clicked once on an area with the paint can tool using red paint, and it filled in a big solid color space from her bustle to her gloves, even covering where the inked outline should at least be to seperate the bustle and gloves from each other! In fact you'll notice many of the outlines and details, like those on her dress, are gone, probably painted over as well. The 2005 restoration picture was taken exactly as is from
    http://disneyscreencaps.com/ca...1950/62/]Disney Screencaps, you can take the images from there and try it yourself if you want. Anyway here's the pictures:

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    http://i17.photobucket.com/alb...irs2.jpg[/img]

    And people laughed when me and Marky said Disney's restorations were more like them using MS Paint to paint over the films!

    The next example is one of the Fairy Godmother's appearence, which looks like to be an example of a causality of the restoration's efforts to remove dirt and grain, which I've heard one way of doing so is cutting out the animation and "dustbusting" the frame and then putting back in the animation. I don't know what went on, maybe they didn't bother to carefully cut out all the animation, or maybe in removing grain and dirt they removed the tiniest details like the stars of Disney dust, but...

    In the first picture, notice the stars of fairy dust on the Fairy Godmother's coat. In the second picture, the one from the 2005 restoration, the stars are gone. And yes, I swear these are the very same frames:

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    http://i17.photobucket.com/alb...her1.jpg[/img]
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    http://i17.photobucket.com/alb...her2.jpg[/img]

    So Disney has removed actual animation in their restoring. It's very bad, very careless, and not okay at all.

    Finally, the biggest tragedy to me, of course. The debauchery of Walt Disney's, and my own, favorite piece of Disney animation, the transformation of Cinderella's gown. In these sets of pictures, all you have to do is look closely at the Disney dust, the magic fairy dust around her, most especially looking at the dust around her arms and head:

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    http://i17.photobucket.com/alb...orm1.jpg[/img]

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    http://i17.photobucket.com/alb...orm2.jpg[/img]

    So did you notice that in the second picture of each set, the ones from the 2005 restoration, that they have diminished and even possibly somewhat removed some of the magical special effects animation? It even looks like the magic dust above her arms and head has mostly dissappeared. And this was Walt Disney's favorite animation.

    I also have a full HD (apparently, from Disney Screenaps again), but cropped picture of Cinderella in mid-transformation to show you all how it looks close up. On the entire thing it looks like not all the detail of the image is there, but look especially at Cinderella's hands and thumb, especially her right hand and thumb (her right, not you're right!). Doesn't it look like they cropped off some of the detail, for whatever reason, in their "restoring"?

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    http://i17.photobucket.com/alb...ands.jpg[SIZE=2][/img]

    So there it is. I hope I have properly shown and explained to everyone how Disney did indeed restore Cinderella for 2005 in not just a wrong way, but a terrible, careless, disrespectful way.

    If you don't believe the Blu-ray still has these problems, here are the Blu-ray versions:

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    And here's some extra ones:
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    And here's a comparison of the old restored version on the 1997 VHS and the Blu-ray:

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    Thank you for taking the time to read all this.

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    Re: Cinderella Restored Wrong

    How interesting that you've doen this detail work ! I have to agree that to change the color pallettes and animation that was carefully thought out is really a shame. Some may not think this a problem, however this is Disney and the work from the animators from the past should be respected and kept with it's original intent. If they did this to "Cinderella," what have they done or will do to other Disney classics ? Thank you for posting this thread ! I should hold on to my VHS copies.

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    Re: Cinderella Restored Wrong

    Thats some IMPRESSIVE work!
    For the love of Disney....

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    Re: Cinderella Restored Wrong

    Disneu Dusty - that is some amazing effort in researching the wrong that needs to be righted by the Walt Disney Co ... I wonder what department you could send this off to in order to get things corrected (of, if you are better off embarrassing them in the media so that they make steps to do the right thing & offer free replacement discs to consumers for compensation?) ...


    & I thought only Universal was bad when it came to certain digital transfers to dvd / blu ray


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    Re: Cinderella Restored Wrong

    Impressive, most impressive.


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    Re: Cinderella Restored Wrong

    all this assumes the earlier VHS copies are 'correct' and not flawed themselves. Often these restorations go back to source content to make their choices, not just what the 'last release..' had.
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    Re: Cinderella Restored Wrong

    My name was supposed to be Disney Dusty but in my hurry I spelled it Disneu Dusty instead.

    Thank you everyone. I told Disney Help Center about this and never got an E-mail back, but maybe if we all join in:

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    I don't know what else to do.

    Quote Originally Posted by flynnibus View Post
    all this assumes the earlier VHS copies are 'correct' and not flawed themselves. Often these restorations go back to source content to make their choices, not just what the 'last release..' had.
    Not for the missing lines and details and animation, that is one thing we know the original VHS and Laserdisc were correct in. A restoration would only change the colors, not the other stuff.

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    Re: Cinderella Restored Wrong

    Merciful heavens! That's horrible! and I am glad you pointed this out. I am going to have to check which edition is my VHS copy.


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    Re: Cinderella Restored Wrong

    Finally someone that agrees with me!
    I've had the 'old' Beauty and the Beast on my I-pod for some time and memorized it by heart. When I watched the 'restored' version I was surprised and not in a good way!!! The scary dark castle now had these carnival like bright colors and is not that scary at all! The romantic evening feel also is lost in the famous ballroom scene which has such bright animation (the blue jacket on beast hurts my eyers)

    I can understand they want to clean it up, but it stands out to much, so much that it feels very flat and fake.

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    Re: Cinderella Restored Wrong

    Would you like my eyes with dipping sauce because you just fried them. NICE WORK!!!!!! I could only see so far as Cinderella's hair and gown colors, they redid them to tie in with their current marketing junk.


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