View Poll Results: How do you rate "Frozen"?

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  • 5 Stars: An instant Disney classic!

    31 54.39%
  • 4 Stars: An enjoyable spectacle!

    13 22.81%
  • 3 Stars: Worth a watch

    8 14.04%
  • 2 Stars: Put it in the freezer for a while.

    5 8.77%
  • 1 Star: Let it go.

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    Re: Frozen Reviews and Thoughts

    I watched it again just to make sure what I was saying and while it really IS an entertaining ride from start to finish, there's aspects to characters and story that are not fully there.

    Earlier, I mentioned about the music style and that beef still remains. The ONLY song in the film that has the proper orchestral backup was "For the First Time in Forever"... that one truly felt like it belonged in a Disney musical. And then when Elsa and Anna have their layover lyrics, it's impressive.

    "Let it Go" is a good song but I just feel it's still too "poppy" and the visuals we see could have been even more impressive than we got. This song is actually better in "World of Color Winter Dreams" as they have a different orchestral arrangement behind it. It's what I wish we got in the movie.


    I also mentioned CG vs Hand Drawn. This really isn't like Wreck-It Ralph where the story really makes it work so much better in that medium. FROZEN would have been a wonderful hybrid (think the Pines of Rome whales in Fantasia 2000) with hand drawn characters and CG everything else. Remember when Glen Keane was supposed to direct this one? Just imagine some beautiful Glen Keane animation anywhere in this movie and you'll see what I mean. Great artists think differently than "animators". They think about what looks amazing while conveying story... and constantly pushing themselves each go round. (Glen Keane's animation: Ratigan, Ariel, Marahute the Eagle, Beast, Aladdin, Pocahontas, Tarzan, Silver in Treasure Planet, etc)



    Okay, finally... the Story. It's supposed to be THE SNOW QUEEN, and for that, Elsa is severely taking a back seat in her own movie. I also don't like that she's the "accidental" villain rather than the villain she should be. With that said, I don't mind that they made the story more about Anna's point of view, as the audience can understand the world better through her eyes, but the characters really lacked depth.

    Think about it. Elsa, the Snow Queen... is actually quite boring. She goes through the entire movie just staying away, pushing things away.... but her character... I wish wish WISH that there was more to her. She should have slowly resented her sister... blaming her for no longer being able to use her powers. Slowly hating life, her status, her every being... and also thinking that Anna hates her too. All of that should have been a major plot point to her running away and getting away from it all, not because of her accidental defense mechanism (though that should be part of it).

    Anna, as our main protagonist, shouldn't feel like her sister "would never hurt her". She should be the reluctant hero, wanting to set things right with her sister in order to save her kingdom, but without knowing if she would succeed. What we have now is just... very, very passive storytelling. (Elsa is told not to use her powers so she doesn't. Anna thinks she can save the day so she goes after her sister... the characters should have more going on in their heads in addition to these story points)

    Everything else could fall into place as it does in the film, but it could have been so much stronger with Elsa's strong hate melting away to love. It would have been far more satisfying.



    BUT... I'm happy that it's doing well and that people are liking it. It means that corporate aren't going to mess up the structure of the studio for the time being and let them play.


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    Re: Frozen Reviews and Thoughts

    I saw the movie Friday and I happen to love the movie. Elsa is my favorite out of all the characters from the movie. I love her transfoming image and what she had to do. I love the song Let it Go Elsa's verison is alot better then Demi's. I like how it had a twist close to the end. To me Anna was a ok in the flim there was some good parts with her but not a big favorite of mine.

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    Re: Frozen Reviews and Thoughts

    Thanks everyone that made Frozen the number one Disney movie to have the highest daybue [ms] it made $67 million top only the Lion King. So I think Frozen has now become a Disney classic.

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    Very, very surprised with all of the people throwing around words like Disney Classic. There's a big difference between a good movie and a movie that I'd watch over Lion King.

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    Re: Frozen Reviews and Thoughts

    Quote Originally Posted by ursaguy View Post
    Very, very surprised with all of the people throwing around words like Disney Classic. There's a big difference between a good movie and a movie that I'd watch over Lion King.

    While Classic takes years to build up, Critics are allowed to throw down words like "instant classic" because they want to put their names on ads...

    but there are movies that are indeed instant classics. Despite all of its flaws (and yes, there's quite a few), I think Frozen will go down as one of them in the long run. It's just that entertaining.

    Do I prefer it over Lion King? Heck no... but there are people who will prefer Frozen over The Lion King because of the content, characters, songs, or all of the above.


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    I just saw this on Sunday, and as a quick review let's just say OH MY GOD IT IS MAGNIFICENT GO SEE IT!!!!



    Granted, I decided I was going to like it as soon as Idina Menzel was cast as Elsa, so I may be biased, but let's get into it . Advertising was focused more on the whacky Snowman and the Emotive Reindeer than either of the Disney Princesses, too. You could complain about Disney disrespecting women or something by going so boy-focused on the promotions... but these people make films that do hundreds of millions of dollars at the box office, so their methods CLEARLY WORK. I mean, this movie made more in ONE WEEKEND than "Ender's Game" has made in its entire run so far. Just saying.

    A true rarity- a Disney Princess is crowned QUEEN. There's still a lot of the Usual Disney Tropes and Cliches in this one, of course: Love At First Sight (though it's commented on and subverted, there's still some Quick Relationship Advancement going on), Bickering Boy & Girl Of Course Getting Closer, the I Want Songs (though it's more "I Have Finally Got It"), the True Love Conquers All thing (Can True Love eventually save the day? Spoiler Alert- it totally can!), the songs, the Comic Relief, The Hyper-Intelligent Animal, etc. Anyone who's seen a Disney film before can guess at a lot of the stuff you'll be seeing.

    Of course, they also subvert things, and pull some unique tricks out. How many Disney characters even HAVE siblings, much less having it be the core of the film? The relationship between Anna and Elsa is EXQUISITELY done here- Anna's sad, desperate attempts for a playmate ("Do You Want to Build a Snowman?" is very much this film's version of "Castle on a Cloud" from Les Mis), Elsa's inability to be close to her beloved sister out of guilt and fear, Elsa's responsibility versus Anna's playfulness and excitement... there's nothing else in Disney like this- I can't even think of many ANYTHINGS like that- most stories have the heroes be only children to make it simpler! Hell, they even tease a True Love's Kiss thing and subvert THAT. And yet, all throughout, there's none of that cynical, snide "heh-heh recognize THIS trope?" stuff or Pop Culture humor that's become so big in CGI movies & cartoons these days.

    There's not even a concrete VILLAIN here for the longest time- Elsa's basically an antagonist since she's causing all the problems, but there's fairly little overall villainy till the end of the film- no Villain Song or nothin'. THE BAD GUYS AREN'T EVEN HAMMY ACTORS WHAT THE HELL!?!? And ELSA- oh my GOD what a character. A lot of Disney characters are outsiders and quirky types (it helps to build audience sympathy), but Elsa has this INTENSE sense of loneliness because it's brought on by guilt, fear and lack of control. The moment where she fully lets loose and unveils her emotions ("Let It Go") is one of the greatest moments ever, and if it doesn't get placed up there with "Simba Is Confronted by His Father's Spirit" and "Belle and The Beast Dance in the Ballroom" in terms of "Holy Freaking Cow Disney Kills It Like Noone Else" animated sequences, then there's something wrong with the world.

    Another crazy thing: You know that whacky Snowman character they hyped exclusively in the beginning? Who comes across like an annoying twerp and a mistake on the level of Jar-Jar Binks in the trailers? Who EVERYONE seemed to be dreading? Well he's ACTUALLY VERY FUNNY and totally doesn't ruin the movie at all! He even provides some much-needed comic relief during intense moments, and barely takes up any screen-time at all! Now I was gonna totally have a pre-concieved bias against the guy, but little Olaf is actually GOOD for the movie!

    The voice acting is stronger than in many Disney films, thanks to focusing on Broadway-trained actors, and others in animation. Even Kristen Bell (Anna) got her start in some Broadway stuff and can actually sing, so that's good- there's very little Stunt-Casting involved (I mean, most people don't even know who Johnathan Groff and Idina Menzel ARE, and the Comic Relief Snowman is just an actor from "The Book of Mormon" who was on "The Daily Show" once or twice), too. Disney has had issues with talented actors pulling in weaker deliveries (even "Tangled" had this issue), and a lot of it's because voice acting is QUITE a lot different from regular acting- you can't act with your face like most actors do- ALL of your emotion has to come from your vocal cords. Now everyone can do that, which is why Animation Specialists (Maurice LaMarche barely disguises his "Brain"-like voice as the King) and Broadway Performers (who have to reach the back seats who can't see their faces) are ideal.

    The animation is a vision to behold, as you'd expect from a Disney film. It's definitely better CGI than "Tangled", with elaborate ice scenery and more. The character designs (with one notable exception) aren't as good, and neither is the Kingdom of Arendelle compared to many other Disney Kingdoms (it looks more like a small town with a large hall at its centre than a Kingdom), but when they crank the animation up to the nines, you will be entertained, that's for sure. I still woulda preferred Traditional Animation (it helps with the Character Designs- both Princesses look a tad too skinny to be able to move), but it's hard to deny the CGI snow looks amazing.

    The songs are a little dull, with one major exception. A couple are funny, and "Love Is An Open Door" is quite cute and charming (and even cynics might appreciate it a bit later on). But the big "For the First Time In Forever" one just seems like Generic Disney, and it keeps getting reprised. Given that they had a powerhouse team of songwriters, Kristen Anderson-Lopez and Robert Lopez, who'd worked on both "The Book of Mormon" and "Avenue Q", producing some of the funniest songs that ever existed, it's a bit disappointing. Though it still makes me laugh that the people who wrote lyrics like "The Internet Is For Porn!" have now written songs for a movie from the Walt Disney Company.

    I would have loved to see more of Elsa, but her morose loneliness could probably end up weighing down the film otherwise. She should end up almost everyone's favourite character, as Anna felt a lot more generic and Rapunzel-like.

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    LOVED THE MOVIE!!! SO brilliant, funny, touching! Amazing songs, imagery, and characters. 100 stars.






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    Re: Frozen Reviews and Thoughts

    ORDDU: My sisters and I finally got around to conjuring this movie up inside our crystal ball and, for the most part, enjoyed it very much. It was mostly the mediocre songs that disappointed us, though.

    ORWEN: We never liked any of the songs this particular song writing team ever wrote, to be honest. The Finding Nemo Stage Show at Animal Kingdom has songs that are just terrible. The songs in FROZEN are very forgettable and don't begin to compare with any of the much better songs you hear in other Disney movies.

    ORDDU: Also we were bothered by the fact that there was a bit too much modern slang used in the film.

    ORWEN: When we watch a fairy tale we expect to be taken to that land far, far away and don't want to be reminded of modern people who remind us of friends, family, co-workers, neighbors, etc. We want to see fairy tale characters with a mind set that convinces us they know nothing of this modern world. Unfortunately the characters in FROZEN come across like every-day people who just happen to be wearing period clothing and are moving about in a period setting that isn't their true home.

    ORDDU: So we only gave this movie a 3. It is certainly enjoyable and exciting--but just doesn't quite take us far enough away from reality to make it a true immortal like, say, Snow White or Sleeping Beauty do.

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    Re: Frozen Reviews and Thoughts

    Quote Originally Posted by Incrediboy View Post
    I think Frozen was better than Tangled, and there wasn't a dull moment. Also,



    I have to agree that the music was a different style than Menken's catchy orchestrations, most recently heard in Tangled and I noticed that the revised version of "Let It Go" in WOC has a more dramatic orchestration than the original movie version, which mostly has a piano and a 90s pop ballad percussion beat, which sounds much more Broadway than movie orchestration. The songs themselves were a fun and refreshing change from Alan Menken.


    Menken usually does have a special twist to theme the songs a certain way for each movie he works on, which always adds something special, however you can tell that Menken didn't have anything to do with these songs. They are all more contemporary (except for the opening number, part hymn and the other part written by Norwegian composer) It is surprising that they start off with scandanavian opening song, then drop it and go contemporary. The contemporary songs are just so-so, but none are songs I was humming on the way out of the theater. The songs just were that catchy, or memorable. Unlike "Mother Knows Best" and "I have dream" from Tangled", which I though were a little better. And I much prefer the songs from The Princess and the Frog, which is odd, because I'm not normally a Randy Newman fan, but he really got it right for New Orleans!

    As for the animation, I was not that impressed, the animation was ok, just not fantastic. I thought the animation for Tangled was much more impressive.

    Olaf was a little annoying (Olaf is certainly proof that NOT all Disney sidekicks are cute and cuddly), and with Sven, it's like they tried to transplant the personality of Maximus into a reindeer, but were only partially successful. Oh, I do think that the baby Sven was absolutely adorable!

    As for the story itself, I did enjoy that, up until the force fed "true loves kiss" was over accentuated at the end of the movie. They could have toned that down a little and still left the surprises the way they were. Although, thinking about it now, it all did seem a little unfinished without at least one wedding, in the end, and without any of the trolls showing up, at the end, to help Kristoff, seemed a little unfinished, too. Oh, and when the trolls did their little song, it did seem off that there wasn't a counter point to the song by Kristoff and Anna. It might have made for a more fun scene with Kristoff and Anna actually voicing that they were not in love.

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    Finally saw it. LOVED IT.

    I even liked Olaf, and I didn't think I really would after seeing WD WOC.

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    I loved it! Outstanding animation and setting, they really did some exquisite work with Arendelle. As some have said already. not all the songs were great (in comparison to the last musical Princess and the Frog) but the big numbers really hit the right notes.

    And the plot was well done also - I certainly didn't expect the twist.

    WDAS has certainly got its groove back. After Princess and the Frog, Tangled and Wreck-It Ralph, I maybe a little ahead of myself here, but I think we're looking at a Third Renaissance from the House of Mouse.


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    Re: Frozen Reviews and Thoughts

    Quote Originally Posted by Hathaway Browne View Post
    I loved it! Outstanding animation and setting, they really did some exquisite work with Arendelle. As some have said already. not all the songs were great (in comparison to the last musical Princess and the Frog) but the big numbers really hit the right notes.

    And the plot was well done also - I certainly didn't expect the twist.

    WDAS has certainly got its groove back. After Princess and the Frog, Tangled and Wreck-It Ralph, I maybe a little ahead of myself here, but I think we're looking at a Third Renaissance from the House of Mouse.

    The last musical was actually Tangled.

    For those who thing Frozen is super super good, I ask you to consider what the movie is without the songs. You may discover (like I have), that it's the weakest story from the studio as of late.


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    Re: Frozen Reviews and Thoughts

    Quote Originally Posted by Coheteboy View Post
    The last musical was actually Tangled.
    I could have sworn that I edited my posted when I re-read my glaring error. Oh well..

    Quote Originally Posted by Coheteboy View Post
    For those who thing Frozen is super super good, I ask you to consider what the movie is without the songs. You may discover (like I have), that it's the weakest story from the studio as of late.
    I can sort of agree. It maybe a little weak but its by no means a deal breaker. I think it could get by without the songs.

    And while I appreciate that its from a different studio, compare Frozen to Brave - now there's a weak plot film with next to no songs.


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    Re: Frozen Reviews and Thoughts

    I don't see this as a 3rd golden age of Disney Animation. Not that much time has passed since Disney had their last group of musical hits, it's only been about a 10 year gap from Tarzan, Mulan, and Hercules, until we got Princess and the Frog. And the music from Home on the Range is extremely underated - and much better than what we got in Frozen.

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    ^Interesting way of looking at it. I agree with you, the music in Range is probably better in some regards than most of the Frozen OST - it suits the theme better and isn't as 'pop conscious' as Frozen is.
    I'd have to say that in a straight out 'fight' between the two, Frozen is a better overall package.

    In terms of Renaissance, well I guess that's open to interpretation and perhaps I was wrong to use that term.

    At the very least its been a good decade so far for the Studio. We've had three good films, as opposed to the first decade of the century that gave us some hits and some misses.

    I guess you can only really tell if its been another Golden Era after the event. If we were sitting here now in '92, we'd probably be in the same situation, with three great films but not knowing how great the upcoming releases will pan out.

    (I'm probably rambling now) Frozen is a good addition to the WDAS family, and its great to see them back in the groove.


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